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You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under pena... - 6/3/2007 7:19:22 AM   
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"Gayles was one of five students denied diplomas from the lone public high school in Galesburg after enthusiastic friends or family members cheered for them during commencement."

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 7:32:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is utter bullshit to punish a student for the crimes of their family. I am against telling people they cannot cheer for their family and friends anyhow.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 7:58:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		i'm going to cheer for my oldest UM on the 11th at her 8th grade graduation as loud as i can. for someone with her medical condition, it's the first of many milestones in her life ...and i'm so proud of her reaching it despite what she's been through.  then i'm going to cheer loudly for my other UM on the 15th - graduating from pre-K is also a big deal ...so i dare someone to try stopping me from being a proud and happy parent.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 8:05:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I were those kids, I would tell the powers that be to keep the diploma if it makes them feel powerful.  I don't see how punishing the kids for the behaviors of others is just.  For the record, when my daughter graduated, hell she had 25 people cheering for her and YES we made a rucous. 

I guess we have become a nation of punishing the offendees rather than the offenders.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 8:08:57 AM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/06/01/graduation.decorum.ap/index.html

"Gayles was one of five students denied diplomas from the lone public high school in Galesburg after enthusiastic friends or family members cheered for them during commencement."


Only in america!

did someone say freedom?  LMAO!!!




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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:00:59 AM   
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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:05:42 AM   
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Our schools are not ran by the best and brightest anymore.


yah... ever since 1920ish if i remember my history LOL


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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:11:59 AM   
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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:13:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see the opinions here are all about " I'll cheer for my child if I want to" but, apprently none of you managed to read the entire article. No one was told they couldn't cheer, they were told to wait until the end because the previous graduations had been a nightmare with people carrying on with air horns and screaming so long and loud that OTHER students' parents could not even hear their own child's name. There are places to scream and places to act with a little decorum and dignity. It's a formal ceremony, and  what Americans HAVE lost is the ability to recognize what formality is. It's a matter of manners and class. I realize this is a sad situation when a school has to resort to this to get their point across, but EVERYONE was told IN ADVANCE. If they chose to violate the standards...then they have to be willing to accept the consequences. I am all about pride in accomplishments, but hoot and holler when and where it's appropriate. Have a huge party after the fact and scream to your heart's content, but don't make a formal ceremony into a Saturday night wrestling match with each set of well-wishers trying to outdo the others. Pride doesn't have to be obnoxious.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:15:45 AM   
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I see the opinions here are all about " I'll cheer for my child if I want to" but, apprently none of you managed to read the entire article. No one was told they couldn;t cheer, they were told to wait until the end because the previous graduations had been a nightmare with people carrying on with air horns and screaming so long and loud that OTHER students' parents could not even hear their own child's name. There are places to scream and places to act with a little decorum and dignity. It's a formal ceremony, and  what Americans HAVE lost is the ability to recognize what formality is. It's a matter of manners and class. I realize this is a sad situation when a school has to resort to this to get their point across, but EVERYONE was told IN ADVANCE. If they chose to violate the standards...then they have to be willing to accept the consequences. I am all about pride in accomplishments, but hoot and holler when and where it's appropriate. Have a huge party after the fact and scream to your heart's content, but don't make a formal ceremony into a Saturday night wrestling match with each set of well-wishers trying to outdo the others. Pride doesn't have to be obnoxious.


So when my worst enemy walks across the stage to get his diploma, I can get some friends to cheer for him and blow a few air horns....therefore he can't get his diploma.

See....this policy just won't work. Sorry. Manners are not supposed to be taught in public schools. That's a parenting thing.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:21:56 AM   
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I see the opinions here are all about " I'll cheer for my child if I want to" but, apprently none of you managed to read the entire article. No one was told they couldn't cheer, they were told to wait until the end because the previous graduations had been a nightmare with people carrying on with air horns and screaming so long and loud that OTHER students' parents could not even hear their own child's name. There are places to scream and places to act with a little decorum and dignity. It's a formal ceremony, and  what Americans HAVE lost is the ability to recognize what formality is. It's a matter of manners and class. I realize this is a sad situation when a school has to resort to this to get their point across, but EVERYONE was told IN ADVANCE. If they chose to violate the standards...then they have to be willing to accept the consequences. I am all about pride in accomplishments, but hoot and holler when and where it's appropriate. Have a huge party after the fact and scream to your heart's content, but don't make a formal ceremony into a Saturday night wrestling match with each set of well-wishers trying to outdo the others. Pride doesn't have to be obnoxious.


Well said.
 
Now, I don't know that witholding the diplomas was needed, but I agree that a little restraint would have made the entire ceremony nicer for all.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:23:08 AM   
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So when my worst enemy walks across the stage to get his diploma, I can get some friends to cheer for him and blow a few air horns....therefore he can't get his diploma.

See....this policy just won't work. Sorry. Manners are not supposed to be taught in public schools. That's a parenting thing.


Problem is that too many "parents" don't know squat about manners, much less teach them, anymore.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:25:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		"About a month before the May 27 ceremony, Galesburg High students and their parents had to sign a contract promising to act in dignified way. Violators were warned they could be denied their diplomas and barred from the after-graduation party."

Violating that taught their kids that giving your word doesn't mean anything.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:27:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having gone through my college graduation and with one coming up for grad school (not to mention having gone to a bunch of other cgraduation eremonies recently) I think this is a bit tougher issue then some realize. To me, even if you think that it is generally acceptable to cheer and use noisemakers during a cermeony (which in and of itself doesn't bother me necessarily) you have to realize that the ceremony isn't JUST about you. When the crowd drowns out the speaker that means that other families, whos kids are probably just as deserving as yours of their diploma and walk across the stage, don't get to hear their name announced. Or, the speaker has to stop and wait for the crowd to quiet down. If it is a small class no huge issue, but having been through several ceremonies with a couple hundred people graduating it gets old VERY quickly having to drag it on and on just because you want to cheer. I swear, some day soon i'll be at a ceremony and someone will have hired a marching band to start playing when their kid gets announced. Then they will act surprised or hostile when others get annoyed.

I'm not saying they should withhold the kid's diplomas but I do think there is a problem with behavior at some graduations. Unfortunately, I don't know what you do about it other then ask people to behave. As with a lot of things, I guess you just have to hope that people act with some class. Wishful thinking I know lol

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:32:53 AM   
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See....this policy just won't work. Sorry. Manners are not supposed to be taught in public schools. That's a parenting thing.


unfortunately that is what this country is going to in many cases, rather than concern for inalienable rights its all about legislating manners, i just had an argument with on of the local officials about that very subject.

The way i see it the school can call me in to set up a rather cheap but effective audio system that will drown any cheering if hearing the names are an issue.   there are always work arounds that do work and that way the crowd can cheer nonstop and everyone is happy.


and on the really brite and positive side that way everyone else will be cheering for your kid too!

(i bet they stop however as soon as the next name is LOUDLY announced)  LOL


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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:42:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately a lot of parents aren't teaching them anymore. I'm not saying it was a great policy, but you have to see all sides. They were trying to address parent complaints from previous years, when parents were upset over not getting to hear their own child's name. Easily solved? You could say," wait for the cheering to die down and then call the next child's name." Sounds simple enough but cheering for each graduate is also a huge time factor. In some of these huge high schools with nearly a 1000 graduates, the ceremony can go on forever if you have to wait for all the cheering to die down between graduates. Believe me...people complain loud and long about that, too. Everyone wants to see their child walk across the stage and get a diploma, but let's face it...you really don't care about the other kids in the class, only your own. The school has to be concerned about each one. Unfortunately, it's a no-win situation for the school...allow endless cheering, and either have parents complaining that they didn't get to hear their darling's name, or wait each time and have the ceremony stretch on for hours and listen to the griping about that,or ask people to use a little decorum and cheer at the end of each class, or degree, and listen to the griping after that. And as for "I can cheer and keep someone from getting a diploma"..they did have monitors throughout the auditorium who all identified the families of the students as the cheerers. In addition, allowing yelling opens up other expressions....Ever been to a graduation with booing of students or yelling out of inappropriate comments that you wouldn't want your ole granny hearing? Those things happen too. Better to ask for ONE show of applause for the CLASS than expressions for the individual. Sometimes the policies put in place aren't the best...but had everyone used their manners in the first place, they wouldn't have been considered.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 9:45:29 AM   
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This is utter bullshit to punish a student for the crimes of their family. I am against telling people they cannot cheer for their family and friends anyhow.


You know how it is these days, you don't want to offend the kiddies that DON'T get cheered on their graduation. 

I agree, this is bullsh*t.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 10:18:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		"About a month before the May 27 ceremony, Galesburg High students and their parents had to sign a contract promising to act in dignified way. Violators were warned they could be denied their diplomas and barred from the after-graduation party."

So, since they all signed a contract with the school, maybe they should be facing civil charges for breach of that contract instead of having the diplomas with held?  They might be very lucky if some of the other parents, or even the involved students themselves dont find a lawyer that is willing to take on the case. 
Common courtisy, and I know that is on the endangerd list, is to wait until they announce the entire graduating class.....but there again that would mean having manners and showing respect for others. 

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 10:23:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The other solution would be to just NOT go through the reading of the names - that's not uncommon, particularly with schools with very large graduating classes.  

So the questions is, can people behave themselves enough to get through the ceremony and hear their grad's names, or do you skip that altogether?  Not an easy answer.

I've done a couple of formal college ceremonies the last couple years, including my own graduation.   Some people "get it" when it comes to formal ceremonies - some people don't.   It's not a bbq at a trailer park, and you shouldn't attend one attired and behaving as if it were.  Between runaway kids that cleared out all of the expensive hors d'oeuvres in 5 minutes by taking plates full of them to people showing up in tshirts and flip flops to just overall poor manners, it's clear that the lines between formal and casual are not clear to a lot of folks.  

Sometimes you just have to spell it out for them, and be a hardass about the consequences.  I'm not sure that withholding diplomas is the answer but you have to do something.

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RE: You will NOT CHEER THE GRADUATING STUDENTS!! Under ... - 6/3/2007 10:28:00 AM   
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"About a month before the May 27 ceremony, Galesburg High students and their parents had to sign a contract promising to act in dignified way. Violators were warned they could be denied their diplomas and barred from the after-graduation party."

Violating that taught their kids that giving your word doesn't mean anything.


Any such "CONTRACT" is illegal on it's face, as there is no EXCHANGE of value. It's a tool to extort something from the lesser party, ( "promises of 'proper' behavior" ), and therefore clear evidence of BAD FAITH on the party of the school.

I bet the NAZIS and COMMIES only cheered when cued.

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