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emdoub -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/4/2007 12:11:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

Love has nothing to do with disciple/punishment; its done for the same reason with or without love. Love might make it 'harder' {for lack of a better term} to punish, but, it still has to be done, regardless.

Indeed.  That is a much clearer way of saying what I was trying to say in the first place.  Thanks!

For those who assume that avoidance==fear, may I point out that I've never been afraid of green pepper, either.  Nor have I said that I'd avoid love - I was simply trying to explain why some may. 

If someone wishes to read more into that, they may - but it'd be pretty 'sloopy'.

Midnight Writer



akisha -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/4/2007 12:42:38 PM)

~FR~

I would never commit to a Dominant that did not love me. I do not believe it takes anything away from the D/s or M/s relationship.
Because they love me they should be able to discipline me, correct me, give me pleasure or pain. Because I love them would be why the dissapointment of failing would be worse then the punishement, why I'd push my self further to accept thier sadistic desires, and so forth.
I know some will say there is a difference between a Dominant and a Master, but call it what you will, I deserve to be loved and cherished, and yes that includes suffering to please Him. I won't accept less.

Yes I'll play with Dominants that I respect and like, and I might even care for them in my own way, but I would never commit to someone I didn't love or that didn't love me.

To openly and freely admit you love someone is the scariest thing there is. It shows strong character of self to admit another owns apart of you. A Dom or Master or Mistress proclaiming their love for their submissive or slave is not a sign of weakness in my eyes, but a sign of confidence and strength.



JerryInTampa -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/4/2007 4:39:48 PM)

Calling a lack of emotional connection emotionally strong is like calling a lack of fear courage. Am I coragious when I walk into my bathroom? What if there was a hungry tiger in there that I had no idea was there?

Sure, the apathy makes it easier to act. It can put you in a more powerful position wihin the relationship; but as a person it says nothing except that there's something wrong with your psycological makeup.



Kinkypupper -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/4/2007 8:20:51 PM)

I see no reason they should not, it is just another expression of each to each other and their positions, Marrage is even  very possable if only for legal reasons.
The key in falling in love with ones slave is to constantly remember that they "ARE" slave.



Areflectionofyou -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/5/2007 3:49:44 AM)

My Master loves me and i for one know it has made our bond stronger as a d/s M/s Couple.



RaynaSub -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/5/2007 4:36:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kinkypupper

I see no reason they should not, it is just another expression of each to each other and their positions, Marrage is even  very possable if only for legal reasons.
The key in falling in love with ones slave is to constantly remember that they "ARE" slave.



Well said, some here are seeking romantic relationships above the D/s part.
Nothing wrong with that, but it depends on what is most important to you both.



littlespicyone -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/5/2007 4:44:45 AM)

I think that a Dom can love Her/His sub and still reprove and correct with physical means. I think it is the ultimate act of love to shape and mold another person into the best they can be. It's also an act of love to fulfil the needs of another, even if the other's need is to please you. Nothing makes me happier than to please and care for a Man, and I want and need a Man to help me, to use a trite phrase, be all I can be. In the same way a Father will discipline his children because he loves them, a Master can discipline the one he loves BECAUSE he loves.

To say that love is weak, and that one is weak to love is silly. Just as it takes strength to admit that you need another's guidance and dominance, it takes strength to love someone.

Another thing that is often overlooked is that even though a person is Dominant/submissive, s/he is still a person who has needs just like the rest of humaity and if you'll allow me to bring psychology into this, according to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, everyone needs to love and be loved in order to reach self-actualization ... or in other words, to be the best person you can be, you need to be loved.



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/5/2007 4:54:06 AM)

I accept the possibility I will never fall IN love with anyone. I did that once, and have never felt that for someone again yet. I love Angel, and I have from day one. I am not IN LOVE with him, but I do love him, much like I would love a child if I had one since that is what he is to me. It des not make discpline harder.  It does make me more patient, and willing to give him the time to finish school he needs rather than seeking the easier route that would have been with someone with fewer time restrictions.

DV



peepeegirl5 -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/6/2007 2:54:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: emdoub

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Ah yes, good old Faramir.  Anyone who disagrees with him must be lacking testicles.

And nothing better to do with their time, to boot.

Midnight Writer



hehehhehehhe.

I've always had a soft spot for old hippies with their wit and such :)



peepeegirl5 -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/6/2007 2:55:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kinkypupper

I see no reason they should not, it is just another expression of each to each other and their positions, Marrage is even  very possable if only for legal reasons.
The key in falling in love with ones slave is to constantly remember that they "ARE" slave.





eXactly! Never give a sucker an even break.



peepeegirl5 -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/6/2007 3:01:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: emdoub

For those who assume that avoidance==fear, may I point out that I've never been afraid of green pepper, either. 

Midnight Writer



I love Green peppers!

The best salad in the entire world consists of cleaning and soaking the whole green peppers in water in the frig for 24 hours (so they can suck up a lot of water and get totally crispy), then to slice them lengthwise and serve with ranch style dressing.

High in vitamin C and delicious.







shellykisses -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/6/2007 8:01:00 AM)

I believe they do fall in love! At least i hope they do cuz i would not want to give all of me to someone who did not love and cherish me for it! Please tell em there are Doms who love thier slaved!



AquaticSub -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/6/2007 8:17:34 AM)

Don't worry. Plenty of masters and dominants love their subs and slaves. [:)]



meticulousgirl -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/8/2007 1:35:04 PM)

To answer your question I think each Master does love His subs and or slaves in His own way.  I know mine does but the actual three words or four if you want to include my name dont ever come out of His mouth.

I tell Him all the time that I love Him and I know He's ok with that because He knows it's a need for me to verbally express that, it's a need for me to hear it as well but I know that Him saying other things is like the meaning for I love you, like when He calls me one of His "pet" names that He has called me since the day we started talking.

Just because they dont say it doesn't mean that they dont love us, because they do, in their own special way...that's why it makes the relationship or friendship so unique and yes special....




velvetears -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/8/2007 7:25:16 PM)

Why do they not fall in love with their slaves?  That's a hard question to answer, it's specualtion or hersey at best.  my instinct would tell me they don't want to feel vulnerable to anyone, feeling love makes them feel weak and not capable of doing what they want to do as Masters.  Maybe what makes someone a "master" is in conflict with being in love, preventing them from falling in love? 

i don't understand the idea that if you love your sub/slave it will be hard to "abuse her" "make her feel agony" etc - why!?!?!  Well i can see if she's not a masochist and "suffering" for you but if she's a masochist - don't hold back [;)] 



CreativeDominant -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/8/2007 7:29:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: onmykneesforhim

Just print it here for all to see.
I have asked a few, and the most of the masters replies
were * I love her in my own way*
Its a yes or no question really.
Does a Master feel weak or threathened by this emotion? DO they tend not to *go all out* in fear of hurting their lover?
Im not asking married couples, They are in love.(or should be already)

omk


Some do...some do not.  You can love someone and be their Master or Mistress or Dominant.  Loving them does not mean that you have to be IN love with them. 

It seems to be an assumption by many that you HAVE to be in love...and it has to be mutual... to dominate or to submit to someone.  There are both dominants and submissives on here who have put the lie to that.  It varies from dynamic to dynamic and what YOU have to have.  If you do not wish to submit to someone who is not in love with you, then you will have to wait until you find a dominant that does fall in love with you and hopefully, you will be in love with him also.  But there is a question for you...what if a dominant falls in love with you and you are not in love with him?  You are perhaps playing with him and submitting in some areas.  Would he be right in asking your question from his viewpoint:  Why do submissives...with whom their dominant is in love...not fall in love with the dominant that they asked for...the one in love with them?

I have a high capacity for love and believe I will be in love again.  I have also been hurt by love, both of the vanilla type and the D/s "I'll love you and cherish you and want you forever, Master" type" and have been victimized by it too...especially the D/s "......well...........,  that is, until my job stabilizes/my former dominant comes back into the picture" type. 

I've also been uplifted by the "I love you but I am not in love with you" type and still am by a submissive turned femdominant. 

To finish, seek what you have to have...but do not be surprised that there are many who do not have to have the same.



Sinergy -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/9/2007 5:51:13 PM)

 
I want to fall in love with my submissive.

Love for me is something I have felt so seldom in my life.  Attachment and affection, sure, but I want to see the phone ring and their name pop up on caller ID and get those giddy butterflies in my stomach.

Perhaps it is unDomly to say that, but I retain all rights to define my own Domliness as I see fit.

Sinergy




earthycouple -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/9/2007 6:17:36 PM)

Well let me see if this shocks ya, OP.  Not only am I head over heels in love with my vanilla husband who supports me in this lifestyle, I am in love with my slave, Robert as well.  They are the most wonderful men, both of them, and each fulfill certain needs and complete parts of me that otherwise were not filled. I fulfill needs in them, complete parts of them and they are in love with me. To not be in love with either or both of them would be a disservice to all and I'd simply have to move on. 

I am a fortunate woman.



earthycouple -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/9/2007 6:25:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: peepeegirl5

quote:

ORIGINAL: emdoub

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Ah yes, good old Faramir.  Anyone who disagrees with him must be lacking testicles.

And nothing better to do with their time, to boot.

Midnight Writer



hehehhehehhe.

I've always had a soft spot for old hippies with their wit and such :)



Old hippie?  Oh my...I look at his picture and see a sexy gentleman....wonder if either of us are right?



completenz -> RE: Why do Masters NOT fall in love with thier slaves? (6/9/2007 8:15:22 PM)

same here [:)] Neither of us have ever known love like this before.
feeling blessed
c



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