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How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 6:38:43 PM   
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I am me. Stella is my name and my only label. I'm open about who I am, what I am and what I am into. Ask me a question about myself and you'll get the truth. Ask me what I think and you get the same thing. But here I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou, just being personal and open. Who I am and the way I live affords me this luxury, and I guess for a others it is shared, but also for others they cannot afford themselves such a luxury. Certain things cannot be said, and certain people (employers, family, children, as examples) are simply not to know.

But I sometimes wonder whether the most difficult word, consisting of seven letters, in the English language to comprehend for mainstream society is also the same word seen as the most important word in BDSM - CONSENT.

This I feel is because BDSM to many people covers a very wide range of behaviour, attitudes, opinions and lifestyles which are wide open to different interpretations. To some it is Gor, a lifestyle based on a series of novels, perceived to be incomprehensible to anyone who hasn't read the novels. For others BDSM is an element of a sexual relationship, something practised in their bedrooms and therefore strictly private. For others BDSM is a lifestyle, equally as valid as any other, and I find myself within this group, perceiving BDSM to be nothing other than a role, a set of rituals and games (play) and values on which one can based interpersonal relationships.

And perhaps people often find themselves unable to talk about this aspect of their lives with vanilla friends, they find themselves having to live a double life when they would much rather be able to discuss and talk about their BDSM interests in a relaxed manner with 'non-scene' people without the fear of being judged or misunderstood.

And yet when it comes to the BDSM scene I find quite a few people already have formed strong opinions but without educating themselves with the necessary facts, information and experience. They jump to conclusions, form hasty assumptions, judge others, and overlook the fact that BDSM is all about experience, knowledge and understanding, the key to which, in my opinion, is acceptance.

I must add and point out that my experiences of being here at Collarme have been positive, and I generally find this community to be warm, intellectually diverse and welcoming. But how do the educated among us deal with the uneducated? Do we try to educate them? Do we dismiss them? Or do we leave them to find their own way? Or should we simply respect their right to remain uneducated?

But how does their presence in the community affect us? Does freedom of speech truly exist on these boards, or do others - like myself - find themselves sometimes censoring themselves when posting and sometimes not say what they truly think? Do you find yourself reading through what you've written or editing it in the hope it will be understood and taken as intended? And what happens when it isn't? How do you react? How do you feel?

If you are a submissive, do you consider what you write and how it affects how you could be perceived by potential Doms? If you are in a relationship, do you ever stop to consider how what you write reflects on you and your Dom? As for Doms, how much do you take into account what a submissive posts? What do you look for? What turns you off? And how many Doms out there also censor themselves and edit before posting?

Please forgive my raising two issues here in one posting, but I am genuinely curious as to what others think and feel and how it appears to them.


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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 6:43:02 PM   
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I think I know what you mean. I try to be more "me" than "how I want to look", but it's hard, at least for me, not to sort of obsess about what little stuff like "friends only" and
"long term" mean in relation to what I really want.

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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 6:44:31 PM   
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The boards ARE how we educate people- and try and ram down their heads that this is real life, the good, the bad, the smart, the stupid.  And that almost all of us are ALL of those things in some way or another.

The problem is that people feed into this lie that bdsm is somehow "different" than vanilla life in how we act or talk or deal with life.  Once they buy into that lie, everything else just becomes a pointless discussion.

And then there's the huge amount of peer pressure to fit in, to be perfect, to not talk about how much things suck.  I'm not talking dirty laundry here, just basic life sucks stuff.

I can't tell you what to do about your personal censorship.  I think it's good to think about what you put into the world and how it may be perceived.  I think it's good to shape words and be able to convey the ideas you want to convey.

And it's hard to say when something goes from "They are just so closed minded that I can't talk" into "I'm a weakling who can't stand having my ideas broken down or disagreed with by others."

I have been at bdsm munches and meetings and everyones solemnly nodding at safeword and safecall and ssc talk and I have to stifle my laughs and comments to people because it's not the time or place to get into it.  But I have to do that at vanilla meetings too when everyone's talking about some idea I think is silly also.

Just act like a mature responsible adult, be who you want to be, and don't expect others to act in any particular adult fashion.

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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 6:48:56 PM   
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quote:

I must add and point out that my experiences of being here at Collarme have been positive, and I generally find this community to be warm, intellectually diverse and welcoming. But how do the educated among us deal with the uneducated? Do we try to educate them? Do we dismiss them? Or do we leave them to find their own way? Or should we simply respect their right to remain uneducated?

But how does their presence in the community affect us? Does freedom of speech truly exist on these boards, or do others - like myself - find themselves sometimes censoring themselves when posting and sometimes not say what they truly think? Do you find yourself reading through what you've written or editing it in the hope it will be understood and taken as intended? And what happens when it isn't? How do you react? How do you feel?


If someone asks for information, yes, help them. If someone chooses to remain ignorant, let them. A flat head from being beaten on a wall isn't attractive. I always try to keep in mind that my truth is sometimes subjective, though.
 
Self-editing does not neccesarily mean self-censorship. Clarity is usually a good thing.

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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 6:54:34 PM   
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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 7:01:58 PM   
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Yes i consider how what i post will reflect on my Master... i am out to my husband and daughters (both over 21) i am out to my mom but i do not share any of the "gory" details with them because A: its not their business and B: out of respect. As for on the boards...i am pretty much the same as i would be if i was having a real life conversation....

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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 7:07:45 PM   
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I've been the champion for self-introspection for a long while, boringly so I suppose, but what you're asking has a lot to do with how you find your own self-comfort.

Once you know who you are and can live with that no matter what, you have a gameplan for dealing with others.

It is natural for one to put their best foot forward initially, but at what value?  In the end, your 'true' nature, or your skeletons in the closet, or whatever, are going to come out.

On the boards here, you (collectively) do not need to know everything about me.  I can't say I hold much back (other than really REALLY juicy details), and I would say that 99% of my posts are reflective of the whole-truth.

My partner, who plucked me from here when apparently I wasn't looking, DOES need to know me.  During our getting-to-know-you phase, we took things rather to the extreme.  Rather than play nicey-nice only to find out months later we wouldn't be able to tolerate the quirks of the other, we laid them all out (and collectively it sure wasn't pretty).  When we found out that our peculiarities were probably only going to bring us closer together rather than drive us apart, there wasn't much else to know that couldn't take a more natural course. 

And yes, it was apparent that with each little thing, that step could lead right to the proverbial mine.  The only difference to me was whether I would be in a relationship I wouldn't soon forget, or going back to being alone where I'm quite comfortable.  Get the crap out of the way.

But do I trot all that out here for your (collective) amusement and/or ridicule?  I don't know.  Whaddaya wanna know?

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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 7:31:25 PM   
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I am very aware of the words I use, because I know that words have meaning. Choosing the wrong words leads to misunderstandings.
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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 7:55:48 PM   
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If the ignorant wish to remain ignorant, and so long as they're not hurting anyone (and in some cases that includes themselves)...then there's nothing I really can or even should try to do about it.  Their choice.  If however, they seek to learn and I can provide them with either knowledge or the resources to find it for themselves, then I will generally try to help.

As for self-censorship here...I absolutely do it.  I try not to alter my intended point beyond recognition, but I might very well change the manner in which I deliver it to maximize it's effect and reception.  Or other times I'll decide to leave something out simply because it's sarcastic or whatever and doesnt really contribute to what I want to get across, much less to the overall amount of sunshine and happiness in the world. </hippie>

Do I consider how it might reflect back on my Master?  Always on some level.  But no differently than how I've always considered it might reflect back on me regardless of whether I have a partner or not.  But does that stop me from sayin' what I think needs sayin' one way or another?  I don't think it ever has yet!

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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 8:03:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stella40
But how do the educated among us deal with the uneducated? Do we try to educate them? Do we dismiss them? Or do we leave them to find their own way? Or should we simply respect their right to remain uneducated?

You cannot teach or lead someone who does not want to be taught or lead.

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But how does their presence in the community affect us? Does freedom of speech truly exist on these boards, or do others - like myself - find themselves sometimes censoring themselves when posting and sometimes not say what they truly think? Do you find yourself reading through what you've written or editing it in the hope it will be understood and taken as intended? And what happens when it isn't? How do you react? How do you feel?

I deal with this the same way I do in every day life...I write what I feel explains what I mean. Sometimes, when I really feel it's important that I'm clearly understood, I will ADD to previous posts in order to make myself clear. After all, if someone has misunderstood what I've said, then I've obviously not explained it in a way that is clear. But, for the most part, I realize that when it comes to opinions, there's little I can do to MAKE myself understood. It's different with factual stuff; you simply reference properly.

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As for Doms, how much do you take into account what a submissive posts? What do you look for? What turns you off?

Someone disrespectful if they happen to disagree turns me off. Opposing opinions are great, but attacking someone for having one isn't necessary and speaks volumes of the person who is attacking.

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And how many Doms out there also censor themselves and edit before posting?

I do. Sometimes I write something and then realize that it really just doesn't need to be said.

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RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 8:05:10 PM   
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For the most part I try to not to censor myself.  There have been moments where I've provided insight and moments where I've bordered on insult.  Times when I was grounded in the topic, moments when I was grounded in my emotions.

In terms of labels, I have the Dom label hanging over my head.  There are things I've posted where other did not view it as being very domly, it's not my mission to live up to a stereotyped label.  I am human, and I have my strengths and weakness.  I think anybody who has read my posts can see both these things in me.  Yes, there are times when I defend my Dom label, however there were times when I questioned this very same label as well.   Dom or Switch?  Basically, I was trying to Analyze my own past experiences in previous relationship with a Domme.  Crap, I never tried to Anaylze before in life.  I did this to be fair to any prospective partners I might encounter on this website.   My whole relationship with another human being made me stop and think what if I'm really a Switch?  Call this a form of indentity/label crisis.  

Anyways, I met and encountered many people online here and some of them helped me sort thing out!  I want to say Thank you to all the Dom Couples and others that emailed me and responded to my posts.  Thank you again, for showing me the light at the end of the tunnel.

However, in a sense I'm a bit of a switch when it comes to certain types of play. However I'm not a relationship dynamic switch.  Meaning Spinning D/s in reverse order.   I'm anything but submissive.   FukinTroll, he was a big help.  Opened my eyes up to something called Deferment instead of submission.  Amazing how one person can express one thing and you see everything a plain as day.

There have been a couple of people that have reminded from time to time, to seperate aspects of BDSM from one another. D/s and Sex at times get coupled to tightly in people's minds.   BDSM consists of three subgrouping, Hence where we get all the Letters that form BDSM..

  • Bondage & Discipline - B&D  
  • Domination & submission - D&S (overly referred to as D/s)
  • Sex - (not an officially recongnized subgroup because vanillas have sex, feel it helps to list and seperate it out though)
  • Sadism and Masochism/SadoMasochism - S&M 

    I went and added Sex as a sperate Group to better illustrate the point I want to make.  The bitch is that most people apply D/s and Sex to the subgroupings.   Some people have problems with compartmentalizing these areas when dealing with other people.    For instance you can do S&M without Sex or D/s involved.  You can do Bondage without Sex or D/s.

    I was walking in a landmine a few weeks ago.  Oh yes, I was even kicking up the dirt while walking in it too!  LOL..

    D/s is really D&S (Domination & submission), You see I thought I was being crafty with my D/D label for Dom couple relationships.  Thought I had some concept that does not fit inside of (Domination & submission) or D/s.  However, the cavet to a D/D relationship is to avoid submission.  Ummm...sounds like a relationship still based on the concepts of  Domination & submission.  I thought I had something new and different to add to what BDSM is.  Reality is the relationship I had with somebody was based on (Domination & submission), it just was clear that submission was out of the question.
    • Domination & submission
      • D/s
        • Total Power Exchange  (M/s by Old Guard standards)
        • Partial Power Exchange (Watered down M/s by Old Guard standards)
        • Switch Power Exchange (partners take turns in submissive and Dom roles)

      • D/D (submission is avoided)

    I still have to work out outlines for other types of relationships or exchanges, especially in the different types of switching that can occur.  I don't know if I can expand and make everything fit under this BDSM subgroup.  It was my intention to just add subgroupings under D&S.   I was basically looking at D&S as being the same as D/s.  Yikes.    Am I walking in a landmine right now, you betcha I am.    I'm not trying to reinvent BDSM, just add more clarity to the labels we all get caught up in.

    Age play is a land mine for many people to talk about.  However there are two kinds of Age play; Regressive and Sexual. Regressive Age play has nothing to do with sex!  However, most people think of Sexual Ageplay and are totally blind to Regressive Age play.  Case in point where a little more understanding and reading comes in handy.  In terms of Sexual Ageplay the most common Age role is 13+.   Most people doing Sexual Age play or not into acting out sex fantasies with 6 years olds. 

    There is an area or facet of age play, I feel is missing or not published much on the internet.  This will be another landmine of sorts for me to walk into!  It's outside of the Adult/child mode and more into a child/child mode of play.  School Girl and School Bully type of thing, or other varients on it.   Perhaps even Teenage boy and 12 year old girl type of stuff.  Basically an area where two people can both assume a younger roles however still maintain a D/s stucture to play.  perhaps even D/D stucture to play. 

    In terms of Dom couple scene/activity play.. I've been trying to complile things from my past experiences, and think of new ideas as well.  There is not very much presented in terms of how Dom couples play or can play.  Save the couple Doms a mutual sub/slave or each has their own.  While this is fine.. little is presented in terms D/D play.  Face it most BDSM fantasy porn even centers around D/s.. 

    I know I seem like probally a bit of an Odd ball or pain in the ass to some people on here.  Oh Well, but for the most part the community here has been great and wonderful.  People have given me some greater insights and perspectives.

    So I will continue to walk in my own landmines, step in a vew landmines other people create.  There are other facets of BDSM I love exploring and I always enjoy learning something now, or gaining new insights.  Even if I don't agree with others at times, at least I am more aware of different views or schools of thought.


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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 8:07:05 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: mstrjx

    But do I trot all that out here for your (collective) amusement and/or ridicule?  I don't know.  Whaddaya wanna know?

    Jeff


    Oh the things I could ask with a nice shiny new ice cream cone below an anonymous alias...  *wistful sigh*

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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 8:33:43 PM   
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    How do you walk through a minefield?
     
    The way i do it, is by always being true to myself.  By being authentic and honest.  By trying to always be respectful of others.  And, by not falling into the trap of, "well, gee, everyone else seems to think this way and i don't think that way, so i shouldn't say anything because i might be criticized or told i'm wrong."
     
    i can only speak from my own perspective and experience.  i'm not here to change anyone's mind about anything.  When i have something that i feel i can contribut to a discussion, i contribute.  Others can read it and take what they want from it or leave it or differ with it.  Diversity in opinion and perspective is a positive thing to me.  Everyone has their own journey, their own feelings, their own experiences and their own reality.  That's what makes each person's perspective on things unique and keeps these forums interesting.
     
    A long, long time ago, before i was 30, i used to give in to the tempation to try to act the way i thought others wanted or expected me to act but i found out that is just a stupid, futile, and exhausting waste of energy.  People either accept you as you are or they don't.  my Master accepts me the way i am and i have accepted myself the way i am, although i do look for ways that i can improve.  That's good enough for me. 
     
    As long as i am being honest and respectful, i know that i am honoring my Master.
     
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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/3/2007 8:44:52 PM   
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    You are right in that there are many variances, to me D/s is s lifestyle and what ever aspects of BDSM  you bring into your life is the kniks.
     
    Many do not see things the way i do, and i dont always see things as others do, but that is what is good about a forum you read what others say and it gives you food for thought some you will deicide nah that is not me, other things you might deicide yeah i want to look into that.
     
    But when giving opinoins they might not be what your Master/Dom/Mistress agrees with, everyone is different, and just because you got togehter it does not mean you agree 100% on everything to me that would be boring.
     
    I do not look on what others say in the forums as a reflection of who there other half is what ever they are.
     
    I take it as that persons opinoin, or maybe its not their opinoin, maybe they just want to put something in there to start a good debate or get others ideas on it to get more of a understanding.
     
    Also people do educate themselves of facts but they will choose to go with what is them, not everyone follows a lifestyle in the same way each bring into it what they know is them and disguard what they know is not them.
     
    As to the educated among any group, i have seen
    University graduates that can not or dont know how to do dishes without a dish washer, i have seen a computer nerd cluless about using a mobile phone, each person is educated in their own way and every person excels in their own right of what they know.
     
    I got to admit there is a difference between educated and strait out stupidity, and i have seen stupidity in people that are supposedly educated.
     
    Those are my opinions anyway, hope you find the answers you are after.
     
    All the best
     
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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/4/2007 5:42:34 AM   
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    But how do the educated among us deal with the uneducated? Do we try to educate them? Do we dismiss them? Or do we leave them to find their own way? Or should we simply respect their right to remain uneducated?

    You don't educate anyone who doesn't want to learn.  The message boards are here for us to write out experiences, thoughts and views and then people take that and do with it what they will.  Sometimes they start arguments, sometimes their viewpoints change.  There are lots of issues I have changed my mind over in time, but that is to do with getting older and seeing other peoples POV.  You can't show people the way only hint a rough outline the way you took - you can only open the doors and it is up to them to go through or not.
     
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    Does freedom of speech truly exist on these boards, or do others - like myself - find themselves sometimes censoring themselves when posting and sometimes not say what they truly think? Do you find yourself reading through what you've written or editing it in the hope it will be understood and taken as intended? And what happens when it isn't? How do you react? How do you feel?

    It can exist yes.  If it didn't I wouldn't be here.  But we don't have a responsibility for what other people want to do, think or believe we are saying - that is up to them and I don't post to try and change peoples minds, just to debate and give a POV
    Self censorship is a personal thing.  I think it is wrong for me to hold back saying exactly what I think, even if it's not going along with the majority simply because there tends to be a sheep mentality in any group, and a belief that what we do is somehow different from everything else (IE Vanilla) which of course is total bullshit.  So no I don't think about rewording unless someone has discussed/is discussing it with me (I can think of a couple of times when I have done that with LA or erin etc...) but that has alot to do with the fact that we have learnt about each other over the years, and that is more a personal touch than trying to entertain the masses.
     
    I would question anyone who has to stop and think to post, just because they feel some people might not understand.  In that way, your not being true to your own words, just being something that someone else wants.  If someone really wants to learn, they will see your words and if they don't get it they will ask.  That is when the 'teaching' starts because they have stepped through that door you opened on their own accord.
     
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    If you are a submissive, do you consider what you write and how it affects how you could be perceived by potential Doms? If you are in a relationship, do you ever stop to consider how what you write reflects on you and your Dom?

    Only to the extent of thinking 'Darcy knows where I am coming from'.
    Besides, He would hate to know I was trying to be anything less than I am, just in case I 'might' embarress him or reflect badly.
    How can you embaress someone who is totally in love with you and devoted to you - and visa versa?
     
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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/4/2007 6:07:18 AM   
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    i think if you choose to, you can easliy identify a persons intent: it is so obvious when a poster is looking for attention and when a poster is looking for information, and it can be the same poster on two different days.

    when you can identify a persons intent, you can choose to add your energy to their energy-creation (thread or RL discussion) or not.

    where you put your energy does indeed define you, it can not be any other way (not my opinion, the law of the universe, ie: the law of attraction)

    when you know that, you can walk through any mine field, bdsm or vanilla, with out worry.





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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/4/2007 6:10:16 AM   
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    quote:

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    << snipped here & there for brevity>>

    Certain things cannot be said, and certain people (employers, family, children, as examples) are simply not to know.

    There is no need for everyone to know my inner thoughts. I think everyone keeps parts of themselves hidden.

    But I sometimes wonder whether the most difficult word, consisting of seven letters, in the English language to comprehend for mainstream society is also the same word seen as the most important word in BDSM - CONSENT.


    And perhaps people often find themselves unable to talk about this aspect of their lives with vanilla friends, they find themselves having to live a double life when they would much rather be able to discuss and talk about their BDSM interests in a relaxed manner with 'non-scene' people without the fear of being judged or misunderstood.

    For me it is a matter of discretion. I don't usually consider it a double life, but instead it is my private life. Just because someone is my friend doesn't mean I want to discuss the joys of kinky sex with them. Some friends I can tell all sorts of stuff, others I choose not to.

    And yet when it comes to the BDSM scene I find quite a few people already have formed strong opinions but without educating themselves with the necessary facts, information and experience. They jump to conclusions, form hasty assumptions, judge others, and overlook the fact that BDSM is all about experience, knowledge and understanding, the key to which, in my opinion, is acceptance.

    IMO people tend to use a common denominator on things to make them understandable inside their heads. Just because we are kink friendly doesn't mean every kink is understood, many people when facing something they simply don't grasp react negatively. I also think that people prefer to appear non-ignorant so they may end up posting stuff they aren't sure about but they want to appear sure.

    I must add and point out that my experiences of being here at Collarme have been positive, and I generally find this community to be warm, intellectually diverse and welcoming. But how do the educated among us deal with the uneducated? Do we try to educate them? Do we dismiss them? Or do we leave them to find their own way? Or should we simply respect their right to remain uneducated?

    All of the above depending upon the situation and folks involved. Sometimes a concept can't be grasped for a variety of reasons. Background, inexperience or an ability to see things from anothers viewpoint are just a few possible reasons.
    We can try to educate but when a person feels threatened by a concept it can be pretty darn hard to break through that. I think a lot of people feel uneasy with kinks not their own, kinks that go against their value system.
    There is so much diversity among us that I think it would be near impossible for every person to be okay with every kink. That is okay by me. I'm not sure of my wording on this next bit but I will do my best.
    Here we pretty much are governed by peer pressure. Many of us bend laws, from sodomy laws to societal laws. By societal I mean that most of society would be unhappy to peek into our heads, they would be shocked/appalled by most of it. So in a way we have to govern ourselves using peer pressure. IMO that is why there is sometimes such an angry outcry over some posts that even to 'us' go over the boundaries of what is considered 'right'.
    Since we don't exactly live by the laws of society we kinda have to try and live with the acceptable bounds of our kink society.
    Does that make any sense?
    But how does their presence in the community affect us? Does freedom of speech truly exist on these boards, or do others - like myself - find themselves sometimes censoring themselves when posting and sometimes not say what they truly think? Do you find yourself reading through what you've written or editing it in the hope it will be understood and taken as intended? And what happens when it isn't? How do you react? How do you feel?

    I censor myself. IMO we all do to some respect. If I'm in a controversial forum where some simply refuse to listen then I often end up censoring more to avoid more conflict. Sometimes I censor myself because I'm aware that my viewpoint won't be welcomed nor understood.
    When I'm misunderstood I get frustrated. I wonder if I was totally inept with my wording or I wonder if someone just does-not-get-it-and-never-will.

    If you are a submissive, do you consider what you write and how it affects how you could be perceived by potential Doms? If you are in a relationship, do you ever stop to consider how what you write reflects on you and your Dom? As for Doms, how much do you take into account what a submissive posts? What do you look for? What turns you off? And how many Doms out there also censor themselves and edit before posting?

    The only dom I want to be utterly clear with on every subject is my own.

    Please forgive my raising two issues here in one posting, but I am genuinely curious as to what others think and feel and how it appears to them.



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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/4/2007 6:32:30 AM   
    earthycouple


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    I would venture to guess people who know me in day to day life might just guess that I'm a bit off the typical beaten path.  I have a group of friends who know who I am and what makes me tick.  My mother knows, which means the rest of my family knows.  My husband's mother does not know.  She's seen evidence though and if she chooses to think about it long enough, she'll figure it out.  I venture to guess she chooses NOT to think about it.  Whatever.  I try to keep peace with her and don't throw anything in her face that she's too *ahem* delicate to hear.

    Censoring myself here?  Um, yes sometimes I do.  Sometimes I skip posts because I know darn good and well I'll say something that will piss someone off.  I don't want to irritate people; though I seem to do so.  My goal here is to learn and share but it is very easy to get into a pissing match.  (damn I hate those since standing to piss only results in piss dribbling down my thigh).  In all seriousness I know that's what arguing here gets me.  Nothing.

    I don't really care in the grand scheme if everyone or no one or just some agree with my thoughts because I can't be right all the time and I don't have any desire to please anyone other than those who care most and I care for most.  If *you* don't like me I'm not sad, I'm not worried, I'm not going to try to "fix" it.  It simply is and that's life.  It doesn't mean I can't learn from you or you from me.

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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/4/2007 6:36:04 AM   
    Driver1961


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    He dips His lid to all;

    Good Original Post and great answers (like pretty normal when the 'educated types' are about!)

    The biggest problem that I find is getting confused between responding appropriately to the 'disrespectful or heads in the sand'; it's often better to steer clear of those threads even though newbies may be getting bad info.  This choice is a learnt behaviour that we all take- like life.

    Warm regards to all, including WHIPLASH!  

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    RE: How do you walk through a minefield? - 6/4/2007 7:13:05 AM   
    spankmepink11


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    I can't say that  I've ever equated living my life as i see fit among my fellow humans as "walking through a mine field"  (there may be many whose choices place them in such a state, mine do not) .There are those who are more educated than me, and there are those who are less so.
    I cannot control, nor would i wish to, what other people choose to learn, or not learn.


    As for censorship, i think that tends to consist of  behaviors and language that is appropriate for any given situation i find myself in.  Although there are those among my friends and family who are somewhat aware of my lifestyle choices, unless specifically asked, i would not necessarily volunteer information about such in a vanilla venue, even if a number of those present  are indeed aware of my life choices.   In a venue such as this forum, I'll happily share information,  i don't expect to "educate" anyone, however...if i or anyone else can learn from the sharing of experiences or information, i consider it a  bonus.

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