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For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 7:51:02 AM

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http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/Home.html

Kinda interesting. Didn't read everything but at first glance it looks like santized D/s relationship info.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 7:56:02 AM

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Domestic discipline IMO tends to be a utopian version exploiting the stereotypically ideal version of "50s types" monogamous heterosexual relationships, and giving an excuse to do spanking/kinky stuff without feeling like it's dirty/weird.

Modern traditional christian sensibilities fit in very well with this set-up.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 7:59:02 AM

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Your use of the word "sanitized" is pejorative, and reflects both prejuduce and parochialism. The implication is that your kink is not "sanitized," is full-bore and real, and this is a weaker, or watered down version.

Your kink is your kink, and their kink is their kink. Their kink is framed as reflecting a transcendant authority, but then again so does Gorean, and Female Supremacy, and Nature Male Dominance, etc. Tons of people frame their kink as in some way ordained, appointed or essential. Great for them, not great for me, but I don't kid myself that I'm superior, or "twuer" because of what makes my dick hard and my heart melt.

I am just fucking sick of the relentless sense of superiority people on these boards have about their lifestyle.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 8:05:00 AM

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I don't see how christian domestic discipline is any more 'sanitized' than anything else.

It is just another subsection all sharing the same thing, just with an outside common interest ie - god.

It's cool and not a new thang.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 8:30:52 AM

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I cant believe I entered that site....I'm still searching it an hour and a half later....grrr.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 8:55:51 AM

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Its a 'christian' way of saying the HOH - head of household, aka husband punishes his wife by spanking. Its not a new thing.

I remember being told when I was about 16 in church that I should be 'submissive' to my husband, I had some well choosen words for those who were teaching my class; am I eating my words, nope, being a slave to a chosen partner is a choice as much as it is who I am. I have had my taste of crow. That site just brought back a few of those memories.

One partner I had years ago, said the same thing, 'a wife should be submissive to her husband as he is to the Lord.' Not a new concept, it just seems to have found its way here.

As for spanking, all I can say is mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 9:05:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
The Modern traditional christian sensibilities of SOME people, not all Christians fit in very well with this set-up........slave luci

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 9:10:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir
Your use of the word "sanitized" is pejorative, and reflects both prejuduce and parochialism. The implication is that your kink is not "sanitized," is full-bore and real, and this is a weaker, or watered down version.

Your kink is your kink, and their kink is their kink. Their kink is framed as reflecting a transcendant authority, but then again so does Gorean, and Female Supremacy, and Nature Male Dominance, etc. Tons of people frame their kink as in some way ordained, appointed or essential. Great for them, not great for me, but I don't kid myself that I'm superior, or "twuer" because of what makes my dick hard and my heart melt.

I am just fucking sick of the relentless sense of superiority people on these boards have about their lifestyle
Yes....some wonderful points, Faramir. Thank you........slave luci

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 10:39:08 AM

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After looking over the site, it looks like a 'christian' or 'God Driven' way of kink or at least of punishment. Its interesting. They act like being spanked is a BAD thing. It can be, but, doesn't 'bad' still mean 'good' at times.

{goes off to ponder}

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 10:48:26 AM

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Your use of the word "sanitized" is pejorative, and reflects both prejuduce and parochialism. The implication is that your kink is not "sanitized," is full-bore and real, and this is a weaker, or watered down version.

Your kink is your kink, and their kink is their kink. Their kink is framed as reflecting a transcendant authority, but then again so does Gorean, and Female Supremacy, and Nature Male Dominance, etc. Tons of people frame their kink as in some way ordained, appointed or essential. Great for them, not great for me, but I don't kid myself that I'm superior, or "twuer" because of what makes my dick hard and my heart melt.

I am just fucking sick of the relentless sense of superiority people on these boards have about their lifestyle.

Err, had a few arguements recently? My original use of the word was not in reference to the lifestyle in of itself, if it works yay for them. CDD or M/f, same thing in essence just terminology differences. I will admit to being prejudiced about it, but that's wholy about the religous background of the site and my own personal opinions and negative views of religion, not the mechanics of it as such.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 10:50:28 AM

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i have seen similar sites - www.takeninhand.com is one that comes to mind and they do not frame what they do as a kink at all. The wives claim to really dislike the spanking, dread it, but acknowledge they need it in their lives because their husbands are the HOH and women need to be controled by their husbands. The husbands claim to hate "punishing" their errant wives but becuase of the responsibility of being HOH he makes this great sacrifice and does so, to keep her in line and keep order in their home. They look down their nose at anyone who uses spanking as a kink - they want to absolutely seperate themelves from such groups by vehemently stating they do not do this "for entertainment and fun" yet they go on and on, pages and pages, about their experiences etc.... seems to me if spanking is just a life function for them, which helps aid their relationship, and had no erotic element to it, they wouldn't be so indulged in thinking about it all the time and writing about it and making web sites devoted to it etc. They just don't want to admit spanking gets them off, they feel guilty enoying it so they set up a way they can enjoy it and make it legitimate - to them. i find it rather silly.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 11:07:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

Your use of the word "sanitized" is pejorative, and reflects both prejuduce and parochialism. The implication is that your kink is not "sanitized," is full-bore and real, and this is a weaker, or watered down version.

Your kink is your kink, and their kink is their kink. Their kink is framed as reflecting a transcendant authority, but then again so does Gorean, and Female Supremacy, and Nature Male Dominance, etc. Tons of people frame their kink as in some way ordained, appointed or essential. Great for them, not great for me, but I don't kid myself that I'm superior, or "twuer" because of what makes my dick hard and my heart melt.

I am just fucking sick of the relentless sense of superiority people on these boards have about their lifestyle.

Seconded.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 11:11:21 AM

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Faramir,

If you look down you will see a very large soap box, why not climb down off of it while you engage in your whining. Perhaps other peoples kink is to put other people down so you whining about it then denigrates others kink. Of course that is bullshit but so is your post.

Since many on the UnChristian right, many who buy into the various bullshit ways of rationalizing their behavior would see people like us behind bars, gays executed or sterilized, young girls forced to choose between cancer and sex (PPV vaccine), encourage and welcome the spread of AIDS as "punishment" for the wicked, war and torture as god's way of protecting America that I am sorry that I and others find christians as a rather sickening concept in general.

The mere fact they have to rationalize and sanitize it (and those ARE the correct words) it shows their utter lack of self-awareness.

Yes that is judgemental but I feel rather comfortable making that judgement.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 11:13:59 AM

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There's nothing sanitized about it. Christian DD (Domestic Discipline) is based on the teachings of the Bible. It is nothing new. It's just that more people are becoming aware of it because of the internet. There are also several DD groups on Yahoo.

God teaches husbands to use their authority in love. He also tells wives to submit to their husbands.

Ephesians 5:22, 28-31. "Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, even as Christ is head of the church; and he is the savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so let wives be to their own husbands in everything."

Hebrews 12:11 "No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it."

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Edited to add: It's a lot more than just a "license to spank". Like every other way of living your life (in otherwords, lifestyle choice), if it is something that appeals to you, great, if not, just leave it alone. To each there own, right?

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ORIGINAL: BondageTopJere

http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/Home.html

Kinda interesting. Didn't read everything but at first glance it looks like santized D/s relationship info.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 11:21:58 AM

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I have to agree with most here. Everyones kink is their kink. The site is just interesting to me because I enjoy actively researching and reading....

It's nothing new but there isn't anything wrong with it either.

Thanks for sharing.

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 12:56:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Since many on the UnChristian right, many who buy into the various bullshit ways of rationalizing their behavior would see people like us behind bars, gays executed or sterilized, young girls forced to choose between cancer and sex (PPV vaccine), encourage and welcome the spread of AIDS as "punishment" for the wicked, war and torture as god's way of protecting America that I am sorry that I and others find christians as a rather sickening concept in general
Michael,
You said it yourself. People who promote the things you mentioned are very UNChristian and not representative of ALL Christians. I hate the fact that anyone would "find Christians a rather sickening concept" because of the actions of SOME of them. We're no different than any other group and can't all be lumped together as sharing one mind.

That would be like a "vanilla" individual saying they find all BDSM'ers "a sickening concept" because some murderers or rapists in the news used bondage and sexual kink (see one of the lastest threads in the "Alternative Lifestyles" section not to mention numerous other cases). It simply isn't fair to judge everyone who identifies with a certain group by the actions of the worst of them.

The mere fact they have to rationalize and sanitize it (and those ARE the correct words) it shows their utter lack of self-awareness
I think alot of people rationalize what they want to do. It's hard for most people to actively and continually engage in a behavior that they intrinsically feel is bad or wrong. The cognitive dissonance that comes along with that is just too stressful for many people. Finding an "acceptable" reason to do something helps. Why does it matter WHY someone chooses to utilize spanking? If it pleases them to do it, I don't think it matters to anyone else "why" or how they make it "acceptable" in their own minds. Whatever works for them is fine and maybe they'll eventually get to the point where they don't have to create rationalizations. Just my thoughts.......slave luci

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 1:23:16 PM

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Yes that is judgemental but I feel rather comfortable making that judgement.

You are indeed a judgemental person, who denigrates other people using religion as a basis for hate. That puts you squarely in the camp of racists, the religiously intolerent, sex-based discriminators, etc.

Like every other person who engages in dualistic moralising (Us Good, Them Bad) you have a laundry list of "good" reasons why the group you hate is detestable, and that you are justified in your despite. Anti-semites, white racists, religious groups who hate other religious groups, all have one thing in common with you: a list of reasons to dehumanize other human beings--you are all "rather comfortable making that judgement."

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 1:31:23 PM

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There's a vast difference between those who are racist and those who don't like a particular religious group.
If I don't like someone based on the color of their skin, that is based on something ephemeral and has nothing to do with who they are as a person. If I dislike someone based on their belief system, that has to do with the choices they've made and is, I think, a valid basis for "judging".

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 1:42:51 PM

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Wow, dude... you've been spending way too much time in front of CNN and way too little time in a pew. I was raised Christian. I walked away from it for several years before returning, and have been through a couple very different denominations since. In all that time I have never once encountered someone who espoused any of the horrible things you claim Christians as a group do and believe. Do some claiming Christianity as their religion feel that way? Sure! They're a very small and very vocal minority. I'm simply floored that you, of all people, would choose to ally yourself with ignorance and hate against a very large group for not being able to 'silence' a small rabble in their midst.

And I'd love to hear how you would propose that could be done without removing those people's right to free speech and assembly...or do you feel we should start down that slippery slope instead, hmm?

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RE: For those of a christian bent.... - 6/4/2007 1:48:40 PM

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There's a vast difference between those who are racist and those who don't like a particular religious group.
If I don't like someone based on the color of their skin, that is based on something ephemeral and has nothing to do with who they are as a person. If I dislike someone based on their belief system, that has to do with the choices they've made and is, I think, a valid basis for "judging".

Oh, I see. Ok great, thanks for explaining things to me--let's go break some windows and storefronts of Jew's--we can have our very own chrystalnacht!!

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