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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I've been having a lot of mental debates with myself over whether "conformity" in some way is a necessary element of a Ms relationship...or can there be a situation in which everyone is just so darned well matched and so darned lucky, that no one really needs to conform to anything...they just fit perfectly and happily and no one twists or conforms?

I don't mean training or growing- I mean conforming or changing or repressing.

I haven't come to an answer yet, just things I'm mulling over. 

I would say the two elements, conformity and submission are very often linked, but not certainly tangible. I would say submission is the goal and conformity is the process and work to get to that goal.

Hence, if someone were so well matched, it would still be dominance and submission. I lead and she follows. There would be just no work or process needed to achieve what is already there.

Aww...if life were that easy...

Yes, if it were that easy, and I am pleased to state that it can be.  It is for Me finally.  After embracing this lifestyle for over ten years, just over a year ago I met such a one.  Mine fulfills My every desire and need, not through My training, but through her own instincts, and desire to serve and please Me.  She came to Me from the beginning,open ,willing and eager to be taught and trained.  New to the life.  I was amazed that there was little to nothing to teach. No training needed.  she did and does know instinctively how to serve Me,what I desire and what I need.  Small nuances aside(which shoe comes off/goes on first,how I wish to be addressed,how much cream cheese I want on My bagel) there has  been nothing to teach.  In the beginning, she often said she felt it hard to believe that there wasnt more that I wanted or expected,because she  was simply doing what she felt was right.  I on the other hand often accused her of  reading my mail LOL ... as she always seems to anticipate and fulfill my every desire and need.  So yes LA, such a relationship is possible.  I am living it. and I am pleased to report it is "that easy" MadRabbit. Maybe it only comes once in a lifetime, and perhaps only to a few, but it does exist, and it is all you imagine it to be and more.

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ORIGINAL: ownedjulia

This posting has been written to promote healthy debate on ownership styles. It will certainly shock some people and cause others to mark me as an uncaring, unfeeling brute - if it does then I have failed in what I am attempting to portray.

I currently own a slave, she is the second I have owned, the first leaving due to personal and family reasons. My 'style' of ownership is total. I adore control - it is the very centre of my being. The areas below touch briefly on what I expect from a slave.


Limits


  Limits are always contentious issues. Should a slave be allowed to have limits?
  In my mind this is looking at limits in the wrong way. Limits will come along whether we wish them to or not. I work and I expect my girls to work as well. Any job will impose limits. For example a job will impose a dress code and I will impose a dress code of my own. My girls know that what I want comes first but they must also Be bright enough to understand that I expect them to work therefore they dress as work dictates for work and as I require at all other times.
if I meet a girl for lunch or after work I expect her to be dressed how I want
This may mean several clothes changes in the day - tough. It is what’s expected.


  When starting off a relationship with a new girl then I will allow some limits during that time. It’s important that a new girl feels relaxed and has confidence in the person who will own her. After about six months she should have an understanding of exactly what I expect and be ready to commit. If not then the door is there use it and save the pair of us from any grief and that’s something I use throughout a slaves time of servitude. It’s very simple, slave obeys or leaves.

Expectations I have of a Slave
A slave Must always serve to the absolute best of her ability no matter the task, how much she likes/dislikes the task, no matter how long she has been awake, no matter how she feels.
Anything less is an insult.  
Does she deserve a 'good girl' for giving perfect service?
If she does the absolute best she can in a task then she has merely met expectations and no praise should ever be expected for that.  
I DO NOT expect any of my girls to come to me with an issue or a problem. The order has been given, get on with it – deal with issues and problems yourself because I don’t care.
If you seek clarity on an order then by all means come and chat with me and I will explain further but don’t give me problems. If I want problems I will go to work. I only want intelligent girls so they can deal with the problems and issues themselves.

Punishment
Something I often hear is that the punishment must fit the crime and I agree, something else I hear is that the punishment must be proportional to the crime and here I disagree.
Any misbehaviour committed by one of my girls will be met with a punishment that exceeds the crime.
A punishment that is proportional to the crime will only leave an impression on the mind for a short period of time. Make it MUCH larger than that and it will leaving an impression for a far longer time. The aim here is to ensure that the girl truly understands. A slave girl who serves me is expected to give her absolute and total best at ALL times. Failure to carry out an order, to understand an order, to fail in a task means punishment and not all punishment is about pain. There are thousands of ways to punish a slave who fails as long as the message of why she failed and how disappointed you are gets through to her then its all good.

What about a relationship?
I may come across as harsh and uncaring but a relationship being an owner and His property is important. If a girl does exceed her best then she should be rewarded. It is also nice to curl up with a girl and watch a movie and do other things together but it’s important that the girl still knows her place during these times, in fact these times can reinforce who is in charge.


  SSC vs RACK
I hate and detest SSC because NOTHING we do is actually SSC.
SSC – Safe, Sane, Consensual
How can knife play, gun play and many others be considered safe?
How can any of us who enjoy being sadists be considered sane?
Consensual is utterly stupid – Girl consents when she agrees to become the owners slave.
  RACK works better – Risk Aware Consensual Kink.
With Rack as long as both owner and slave know the risks then slave gets on with it – end of discussion. It is not the slaves place to try to bargain or get out of anything ‘risky’. It’s slaves place to deal with it and accept it.
Again, it’s a matter of total obedience and total power exchange.
The military have a wonderful term C3 (C Cubed) which stands for Command, Control, Communication – Perfect words for a TPE relationship and worth remembering alongside RACK.  

Conclusion
You will have to forgive if this is a little all over the place. I wrote this on the train going in to work. I have asked julia to post it because I want her to read it and tell me where she has been going wrong recently. I am also curious to see how much of a discussion it promotes.
  Thank you for your time.

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub


"Ownership is not an act of purchase alone. Ownership is a committment of responibility "

this should be used on a siggie line[:D]

have a good one

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ORIGINAL: MistressSophia

I think that . their level of Master/slave ownership is differeent then most. There isn't a  confusion of who is Master and who is slave and what is expected.  This type of ownership leads to no confusion. I didn't  read a thread from the slave. But he clearly states she may leave at any time . should she not want this type of ownwership. Not all slaves want a mix of slavery. and fuzzy nights.  This is just how I understood the thread. And I agree with the Master

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
i also i feel an owner needs to take responsibility ...a car doesnt put its own gas in the tank theory[;)]

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub


"Ownership is not an act of purchase alone. Ownership is a committment of responibility "

this should be used on a siggie line[:D]

have a good one

Just wanted to add my two cents that it is a wonderful phrase.

I often compare owning a sub/slave/pet with owning a throughbreed horse. If you treat them well, they will do wonderful things for you. But you don't ride them without giving them their treat at the end! [:)]

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ORIGINAL: jssubc

Mistress cares for me when i am sick and chatizes me when i deserve it, i certainly dont need or want molly coddling, i am here to serve Her, not myself. Serving Her just happens to make me feel complete.
It is hard to stick your neck out in a forum like this because of the ease with which it can be chopped off. i respect the writer and i would like to thank him for taking the time to speak his mind.

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Frankly it just seems like constantly banging your head against a wall just to get a simple "good girl" that really doesn't take any effort on their part.