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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/6/2007 12:21:58 PM   
Calandra


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I have a question... Are you open to being sexual in other ways with a Domme? Fingers, toys etc.?
 
I have never placed a very high importance on oral sex - sure, it's nice sometimes, but there are times that that's the last thing on My mind. Maybe that makes ME weird...?
 
I have a happy family already, and I'm not seeking, but I had to kinda think about your question as if I were seeking to give it the consideration it deserved.
 
I hope you find someone who is totally open to who you are as a person and not just as an object for their pleasure.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/6/2007 1:23:00 PM   
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The thing is, the topic was only about oral sex, we do not know the wide range of other sexual things she is willing/able to take part in......... While it would be nice to have labels for each person, that is what we would truly need to differentiate between everyone, and that's just not practical.... If all else she was intersted was sexual in nature, how would she not be a sexual slave? I mean we do not know all of her interests or the way things play out in her life... Every day I get people coming up to me who I do not see as my version of what an ageplayer is, and they demand that is what they are, who am I to say otherwise? They will call themself what they desire to, and perhaps these people fall deeper into the label they chose than any other, and again we all use labels differently. It would be like saying.... A person is not an American because they have a different sounding voice than most Americans..... or because they don't vote, or some single common thing that many Americans do to show their heritage..... This person simply doesn't take part in a single action common among sexual slaves...... Another example, is a person who goes to a baseball game and doesn't buy a hot dog not a true watcher of the game because they do not take part in what many deem to be part of the over all experience?

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/6/2007 4:03:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tulipgoose

The thing is, the topic was only about oral sex, we do not know the wide range of other sexual things she is willing/able to take part in......... While it would be nice to have labels for each person, that is what we would truly need to differentiate between everyone, and that's just not practical.... If all else she was intersted was sexual in nature, how would she not be a sexual slave? I mean we do not know all of her interests or the way things play out in her life... Every day I get people coming up to me who I do not see as my version of what an ageplayer is, and they demand that is what they are, who am I to say otherwise? They will call themself what they desire to, and perhaps these people fall deeper into the label they chose than any other, and again we all use labels differently. It would be like saying.... A person is not an American because they have a different sounding voice than most Americans..... or because they don't vote, or some single common thing that many Americans do to show their heritage..... This person simply doesn't take part in a single action common among sexual slaves...... Another example, is a person who goes to a baseball game and doesn't buy a hot dog not a true watcher of the game because they do not take part in what many deem to be part of the over all experience?


I think you are actually saying what I said.

If a label like "sex slave" or "bedroom slave" is sending or even risks sending the incorrect impression it will harm the OP's chances of finding a partner.

The OP needs to not use a label or find a more accurate label is she/he (I'm not sure any more) really wants one.

I recommend that they not label as a specific type of slave or submissive and instead just describe what they are looking for or willing to offer.

Most of the time when people share things or ask for opinions I'm thinking about how to advise them to increase their chances of success. Clearly the OP's use of "bedroom slave" has sent the wrong message to at least one partner and to several people on the forum. Instead of complaining about US not being open-minded the OP needs to consider how to better communicate what he/she is willing and interested in.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/6/2007 8:14:20 PM   
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I think it is better to not worry about labels....

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/6/2007 8:18:35 PM   
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Bedroom slave? How did that get in here?
I put 'bedroom submissive', a term I heard used for people who are only submissive in the bedroom, not all around. I'm not looking for a full-time, primary partner deal, just a play buddy. 'Bottom' doesn't work because I enjoy the psychological submission in my scenes, not just the sensation. I agree labels are annoying, but they do make explaining things easier...sort of.
Fragile? Yes, but we all are to a point.
Sensitive? Yes I am. I wanted to make it clear I was not interested in those who wanted someone to treat like dirt. That works for some people but not for me. And where does it say I'd leave my wife??
I appreciate those of you who look through my profile to better answer my question but please read and repeat what it says correctly.
I friggen' love just about everything else and am always open to try new things. I'm bloody 25 and have only been sexually active for a couple of years. I haven't figured everything out yet but I think I'm pretty open. As for what I give back...you know what?
That hurts. I know it's not meant to, but it does.
*sighs*
I'm not a utilitarian type. I'm not looking for a person to do x,y,z. I'm looking for a soul to tend to. I derive my pleasure from aiding a soul that enriches me by their mere existence. My wife does that. If someone wants me just for what I can do, oral or otherwise...well I guess it's not meant to be. If it's one thing I live for it's soul pampering. I love to dote. I give real affection. That's the thing about autistic people, we're real as hell because we can't be any other way.  What I lack in being able to do, I hope to make up in being able to be.
I've only been self aware about 12 years it's true, but I've maintained a long-term relationship for 9 of them, and that ain't bad for a kid. No my wife's not gay and we're platonic (though we are very touchy feely), we're together because she was a neglected soul and I took care of her until she began to reciprocate.
So no sex, just lots of pure, fathomless love. If anyone wants some pure, fathomless love, shoot me a line.
End rant
To everyone who responded though, thank you for your input. Some of you have given me some hope.;-)

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/6/2007 9:55:45 PM   
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quote:

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Saying you are a bedroom or sex slave gives the impression that you are open to a very wide manner of sexual activities and indeed it may also suggest that you have skills in these areas.


Clearly you read more into it than some do.

All I read into it is "I'm into sexual submission, not asexual submission".

And what, exactly, is "wide manner of sexual activities"? Does it include missionary? Oral? Anal? A2M? Fisting? To the shoulder? I know people who would draw the line for "WMoSA" after each of those question marks. Where's the official one?

More to the point, when exactly did asking what someone means grow out of fashion?

Having a fair bit of experience with autism, I'd also point out that, despite (frequently) exceptional honesty and directness, most will not understand that their statement had such an implication, and many will need a highly skilled Dom/me to have a reasonable chance of getting to the point where they'll be comfortable with oral sex. Kissing is, in my experience, regarded as more intimate than sex, so that's understandable.

How about just offering to help her fix the profile, if you have a good idea how to put things?

It's bound to take less time than this thread.

P.S.: Not subscribing this time; leaving the 2c on the table.


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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/6/2007 10:13:48 PM   
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~Fast Reply~
 
Reading this thread and all the different views, I wonder something...
 
If a person said "I am a sexual submissive, however I have a medical condition and cannot do anal" does that mean he/she cannot consider themselves a submissive anymore? (I actually know a slave who had a surgery that was done very wrong and scar tissue prevents anal. Before the surgey LOVED anal)
 
What if he/she was in an auto accident and could not get into certain positions due to limited mobility? Would she cease to be a submissive? (I was in an auto accident, and yup, you guessed it, I can't get into various positions - but it didn't have ONE thing to do with My power orientation)
 
I've heard people say they couldn't do oral because they have TMJ - I guess they are not truly submissive either?
 
I'm sorry if I sound snarky here, but sometimes even usually openminded people can have limited vision when they get stuck on a concept and don't ponder before they type. What a person physically DOES has nothing to do with what a person IS in their heart sometimes. Only by asking questions and making certain you understand the why's and specifics can you hope to discern if a person is resistant to authority or if they simply have difficulties with an activity.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/7/2007 6:07:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Adelphus

Bedroom slave? How did that get in here?
I put 'bedroom submissive', a term I heard used for people who are only submissive in the bedroom, not all around. I'm not looking for a full-time, primary partner deal, just a play buddy. 'Bottom' doesn't work because I enjoy the psychological submission in my scenes, not just the sensation. I agree labels are annoying, but they do make explaining things easier...sort of.
Fragile? Yes, but we all are to a point.
Sensitive? Yes I am. I wanted to make it clear I was not interested in those who wanted someone to treat like dirt. That works for some people but not for me. And where does it say I'd leave my wife??
I appreciate those of you who look through my profile to better answer my question but please read and repeat what it says correctly.
I friggen' love just about everything else and am always open to try new things. I'm bloody 25 and have only been sexually active for a couple of years. I haven't figured everything out yet but I think I'm pretty open. As for what I give back...you know what?
That hurts. I know it's not meant to, but it does.
*sighs*
I'm not a utilitarian type. I'm not looking for a person to do x,y,z. I'm looking for a soul to tend to. I derive my pleasure from aiding a soul that enriches me by their mere existence. My wife does that. If someone wants me just for what I can do, oral or otherwise...well I guess it's not meant to be. If it's one thing I live for it's soul pampering. I love to dote. I give real affection. That's the thing about autistic people, we're real as hell because we can't be any other way.  What I lack in being able to do, I hope to make up in being able to be.
I've only been self aware about 12 years it's true, but I've maintained a long-term relationship for 9 of them, and that ain't bad for a kid. No my wife's not gay and we're platonic (though we are very touchy feely), we're together because she was a neglected soul and I took care of her until she began to reciprocate.
So no sex, just lots of pure, fathomless love. If anyone wants some pure, fathomless love, shoot me a line.
End rant
To everyone who responded though, thank you for your input. Some of you have given me some hope.;-)



I competely know what you mean and if you lived closer would totally be into this.

I have submissive friends I've known for many moons. The are not my slaves but we have a D/s tempo that is always present on some level. Its comforting for us and we love escaping into that space from time to time. Since I moved to VA its far for some & I admit that I really miss them.

I think you might be able to find someone. I would contact some prodoms close to you and work something out with them. Some are highly intelligent, as you appear to be, creative, loving, busy and could use kinky maiden type. Friendship takes time to grow and as with all friendships they are carefully considered.

Good luck to you.


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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/7/2007 6:22:12 AM   
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Ah "bedroom submissive" reads much differently to my eyes.

Like I said I was originally replying to your OP only until others brought in other things -- perfectly quoted or not.

Submissive and slave to me are quite different types of people and very different relationship dynamics.

I'm not here to help with your profile (Aswad that isn't what the OP asked us about). I'm here to answer your question about oral sex being required.

As I said originally it all depends on how you are promoting yourself and what you are telling partners. If the partner you mentioned is the only person whose misunderstood or tried to change you you are lucky and frankly I won't worry that much about it. Keep trying to communicate as you are by being upfront about what you are looking for -- emphasis the pampering that you now mention, emphasis the time-limited parts so there is no idea that it will venture beyond that.

If however you run into this problem of partners trying to get you to do something you aren't interested in (like oral which was the topic in your OP) then I think you need to look at two things.

First, what words are you using to explain what you want. Every word has value even if those values vary by person using or hearing/reading them. No one is perfect but if you continue to use one set of words and get results you do not want, you need to think about the words.

Second, you may want to consider what type of person you are finding yourself attracted to in terms of finding a bedroom bdsm partner. If there is a trend of partners trying to force you (physically or emotionally) to do something you don't want (oral) then there may be common personality traits in action. Figuring out what those are may help you avoid those sorts of people in the future.

As to my comment of what you give -- that certainly wasn't meant to hurt. The reality is that each of us has things we bring to any relationship and that relationship work primarily on a give and take (or give and accept if you perfer) basis. I'm sorry if that is harsh but I'm not interested in romantic fantasies here, I'm interested in realities. I don't give a damn what it is that you give or take beyond what you want to share with us for some reason. But the people you are approached by or who you approach will be interested even if they claim they aren't -- again reality versus romantic fantasy.

You know this. Remember the woman you told us about in the OP? I think she's a good example of this. If you told her about your limits and your concerns then she fed you and her a nice romantic fantasy by pretending it really didn't matter. Then the reality set in and she dumps you. On top of that she tries to manipulate and control you further by telling you that if you can't do oral you will not find another partner. Is that correct?

If so, that sucked and I know it had to hurt your feeings and your sense of what bdsm can be.

I think there are enough replies here to let you know that she certainly does not know every dominant in the world. I hope you are also getting the idea that what you say, how you say it, and what traits you are attracted to is something you can change or experiment with until you find a good match (or two or three or more). You are the only person who can do this for yourself.

< Message edited by thetammyjo -- 6/7/2007 6:24:50 AM >


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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/10/2007 9:45:15 PM   
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It'd be a deal breaker for me....unless there was genuine motivation, interest, and desire to be re-programmed.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/10/2007 10:04:39 PM   
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It's acceptable I believe for the majority. I could be wrong, although.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/10/2007 11:18:25 PM   
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I would not accept any one who was a primary who  had oral sex as a hard limit, while I do not want it a lot, or particularly enjoy it most times, there's times I DO get a craving for that kind of intamacy, and seeing that it's rare I do, I'd want someone who was able to serve that rare need. That is one thing I'd want a sub for, to take care of those demands,  or needs rather if you will.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 6/13/2007 8:10:48 PM   
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I don't kn ow I posted no but if they were super great, everything I wanted in other places, and allowed someone else to take care of the ocasional oral sex needs, yeah maybe,

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 10/21/2008 4:39:22 PM   
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For me...i think that oral servitude...prolonged and everyday...would be heaven on earth.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 10/21/2008 4:40:56 PM   
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Gosh darn oral sex?  Is that what they call a blowjob in Alaska?

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 10/21/2008 5:14:17 PM   
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Greetings,

I, personally, am squicked out at receiving oral sex.  I don't like it.  It makes me terribly uncomfortable.  In some cases it borders on painfully annoying.  Any slave I have, primary or otherwise, will not be allowed to perform oral service on me.

However, as I enjoy watching my slave service others .... having one with hang ups surrounding this activity might put a damper on some of the things I enjoy.  If the slave were exceptional I would try and find a way around this.

As with most types of relationships there is always room for negotiation and compromise.

Wickad

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 10/21/2008 5:57:16 PM   
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Adelphus,

In your OP, you say that giving oral sex is a hard limit for you and that you don't like open-mouth kissing.  I've met many dommes who dislike receiving oral sex, but I've also met many who find it heaven and who would not want to live without it.  Ditto for open-mouth kissing... some hate it whereas others love it.

As to your question, myself, I love all kinds of kissing and I also adore giving and receiving oral sex.  Therefore, for me, I'd rather be with a partner who similarly enjoys these things.  Do I consider this an absolute deal-breaker?  Hmmm.  Not absolute, but close to.  A person would have to be incredibly remarkable and compatible in other ways and even then I'd still think carefully before entering a relationship where I couldn't share these activities.  I prefer not to filter my instinctive ways of communicating affection, and not being able to lick or kiss my partner would be a significant, un-natural restriction for me.  This is my preference.  As you can see from reading other responses, there are people who don't consider either of these deal-breakers and who actually consider the absence of both a plus.  Different strokes for different folks.

Elan.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 10/21/2008 6:35:01 PM   
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Sekhemet----
You made some erroneous assertions about hpv; I would recommend educating yourself further on that particular std/sti. 

Adelphus----
I despise limitations (Be I on the D, s, or vanilla side of things), so I would think it was seriously uncool.  What wigs you out so much about the practice, if I may ask? 

  Davan

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 10/21/2008 6:51:47 PM   
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well considering the fact that you profess to be a bedroom submissive only, that does limit one's choices.

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RE: Gosh darned oral sex - 10/22/2008 11:42:03 AM   
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everyone is different. I insist on it, LadyLove doesen't.

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