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RE: outdated Republic? - 6/11/2007 7:14:54 PM

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Sounds like something from Marx.

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RE: outdated Republic? - 6/11/2007 9:45:35 PM

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"Sounds like something from Marx. "

Indeed it is. You know that and I know that.

But if you go out downtown and take a polling of the people, do they ? Some do and some don't.

Someone is remiss in teaching the young. The Constitution is most important, and the kids do not know. In this case, someone means everyone. Every teacher or other professional who ever interacted with the kid, every Parent, Uncle or whatever, in fact any adult who spent any significant time with a kid who does not know of the Constitution has failed. All of them.

Reason and logic have failed in a way. Once you see that you want to see it return. For example if there are five people in a house and the door is left open, THEY ALL left it open. Any one of them could say to another "YOU left the door open", but they could then retort "So did you". Because if the door is indeed open, EVERYBODY left it open.

Adults are jointly and severally responsible for the well being and intelligence of any and all kids they have any significant influence upon. If the kid doesn't know shit, it is everybody's fault in a way. The primary responsibility for this does indeed fall on the Parents, just like that open door can be deemed the fault of the last person to enter the house with the open door.

I don't know quite how to say this, and I don't really want to hijack, but it is relevent. People are the problem. The ultimate power rests with us. We make little people, and they can grow up to be leaders, followers or criminals. If we can get the young to understand, there will be plenty of people to rattle the politicians' cages and keep them in line. It is our complacency that allows them to steal our riches and plunder our sweat. It is we ourselves who allow the taking of our rights. If the Patriot act had passed a couple centuries ago, I would like to think that there would be a revolution. There probably would've been.

But then when you have all the major media licensed by the government, with no popular oversight at all, you will have problems. When the Federal Communications Commision has a SWAT team, you will have problems.

We have problems.

So meandering back to the OT, yes. This republic did not work, and that is the truth. The system may have been framed perfectly, I don't know, but I know for damn sure it is not working now. It has broken down. Anyone have any tools, or have y'all melted them down for scrap so they can be used for new Japanese cars ?

I cannot do this alone. I cannot fix this alone. I will not try to fix this alone. That would be suicide. Although I am really to the point where I am no longer afraid to die, partly because I am curious about it, I will not commit suicide. Death is inevitable, and a one way street without a reverse gear. It will come at the proper time, I have no business bringing it on. So I can't go and pull a McVeigh, or a 911.

It is not productive and is suicide. God people are so stupid. The solution is not in bombs or aircraft, it lies in the hearts and minds of about 200 some odd million people. It is time to form clusters all over the country, later we will have liasons going from cluster to cluster. Plans to discuss, agree on a date for a HUGE peaceful demonstration. Other things. Writing congressmen, senators, even the President, once we have one that can read. (I threw that in there for the anti-Bush crowd, hope you enjoyed it).

I mean we got serious problems, and now we can't vote our way out of it, and we can't even fight our way out of it. So where do we turn ? We are fucked, nothing significant will likely happen in our lifetime. We have but one choice, educate the young. Make them strong in the mind, not easily fooled. Able to look past the surface of an item or issue. Able to think, and avoid going on the Jerry Springer show, to realize everything has an effect, and figure out how to run their life properly.

Ignoring people who do stupid shit doesn't work, because they fuck and fuck and fuck and make many more stupid people. Each and every one of them deserves at least one chance to learn.

Enough for now, be back later.

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RE: outdated Republic? - 6/12/2007 10:26:13 AM

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I agree with everything you said except that, the republic did not fail, the people did.

Ben Franklin was asked what he gave us, his reply paraphrased was "A republic if you can keep it." We the people, me being one of them, have failed in our duties to keep the government as a servant of the people. Marketing and politicians have created the "cheerleading" atmosphere and many promote the class warfare to keep us divided.

Start locally for the change and it will spread eventually. Be slow and subtle with your actions and soon it becomes habit. Stand firm on your principles, no matter the temption, and always stand with your fellow Americans, against those not of this country and solve our dissention internally.

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RE: outdated Republic? - 6/12/2007 7:51:40 PM

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I don't think we disagree. Actually what makes a republic ? People are part of the equation, it is not the buildings.

What happened was while our forebearers slept, the government worked tirelessly to gain power. It seems to have worked.

The reason it worked is complex. To simplify it as much as possible, and I do not mean dumb it down : While meglomaniacs dreamt for rulking the world, the common Man dreamt about giving a better life to his kids. To make his way in the world. To teach his children to make their own way in the world, partly by example, but not to rule the world.

As a result, we have this. And then when automation came along and shortened the work week for many, the entertainment industry burgeoned. Spare time was occupied with the frivolous instead of the important issues. Believe me, this was by design.

Meglomaniacs supported the entertainment industry even then. The best writers emerged from the woodwork and actually produced some really good material, and it wasn't just the money that made them do it. It was part of the plan.

They have achieved a 'partnership' between government, big business and big media. When We The People dictate the meaning of the word conspiracy, it will be called one. For now it is a partnership.

Fact of the matter is they won. And it is a respectable accomplishment, no matter how despicable and ruthless they are. They have every reason to celebrate, and are isolated from real conditions in the world, so they have no reason to stop until they REALLY fuck things up. They want to go into more countries, imposing their will, not ours in any way and so far, they have no reason to stop. For them, things couldn't be better.

I think the one major main thing we need to return to in this country is where anyone can be President. They taught that in the schools into the 60s. Bet they don't now.

Involvement in the system, en masse. I think that is the only reasonable solution to persue at this time.

Maybe one day I can find some real hosting and grab an old version of discus software. Get up a website ad hoc these particular political issues. We are talking focusing on the grass roots for the beginning, mostly seperately. Then figure out where we are or should be the strongest. Then we can start to look into replacing federal candidates. Start with councilmen, then just work up.

We also have to figure based on the local political climate. For example, governor Strickland of Ohio has quite a bit of popularity right now, and I must admit that I am not all that displeased with him right now. He has gone a bit against the grain, but that is not to say he is the best choice. It's just that it would be foolish to dump resources into replacing him at this time. So at this juncture, what is the next move ? Logically it would be to try to stack the Ohio houses during Strickland's term. But we are not ready for that.

Start small, a journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step.

I don't have anything else constructive to say at the moment, so I will close with this.

I think we need a website, just for us, those who want to discuss these issues and the solutions. If anything gets off the ground there will be alot to discuss. There is so much, and it is not all money. Got a color laser printer, and maybe access to a Pitney Bowes so you can flip them a few bucks and get a good rate on direct mail ? Many other resouces exist, and I really think it would be wrong to deluge this website with all of it. but a link should be fine, even to a page, an email link.

Consider it. I am sick of the whining about the problem, it is time to concentrate on the best viable solution. Who's in ?

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RE: outdated Republic? - 6/12/2007 9:20:43 PM

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Count me in as long as we are guided by the Bill of Rights and constitution. Send me C mail and I will shoot back my email addy. I am already getting involved in some local politics as well as supporting a revamp of the Federal extortion laws, I mean tax laws.

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