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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/8/2007 9:17:23 PM   
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I see your point, but on the other hand they're much needed green spaces.


Ummmm....

How so?

They are about as "green" as golf courses...lol

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/8/2007 9:29:26 PM   
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Noooo....we are very normal.  So said my grandmother who used to put potatoes on her feet and had my sister baptised twice since the first time she felt the priest was Satan in disguise.


Normal? Absolutely.

Even when they put salt in their breast pockets to ward off the evil spirits! Though the best was Nonna with the 3 drops of oil in a dish of water over my head when I got sick so the evil spirits wouldn't enter into my 'weakened' body.

I think I need therapy with all the normalcy!

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/8/2007 9:29:50 PM   
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I see your point, but on the other hand they're much needed green spaces.


Ummmm....

How so?

They are about as "green" as golf courses...lol


They have grass and trees rather than asphalt and concrete.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/8/2007 9:52:09 PM   
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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/8/2007 10:18:43 PM   
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They have grass and trees rather than asphalt and concrete.


yeah... You are forgetting the tons of fertilizer that is running off into the eco system.

Not tro you dc,  but it amazes me on how many on the left jump all over golf courses for being "un green" while never mentioning cemetaries that out number them in droves and droves and droves.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/8/2007 10:21:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've never been to a wake, but for all of the funeral event I've attended, pictures would have been not cool at a viewing, but were always normal and part of the memorial service itself.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/9/2007 4:39:09 AM   
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after some email exchanges with relatives, it's unanimous that NY/NJ Italians find it completely bizarre to take pictures at a wake.  For any reason. 


Here's another NJ Italian that agrees with this.  Strange.



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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/9/2007 2:12:53 PM   
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John Cleese's eulogy at Chapman's funeral - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsHk9WC7fnQ


Thank you for that, Level.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/9/2007 2:44:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have also seen that custom in the Latin American cultures.  i'm not italian but i am from ny and have attended many wakes and funerals in NY&NJ of Italians, Irish, Germans etc and have never seen pics being taken.

i agree about graveyards - although i love old graveyards with tilted stones and deaths dating  back 100 to 200 years because they make interesting images if photographing them at the right angle, i think to create more or perpetuate them is a waste.  How can we not run out of space eventually? This doesn't make sense to me.

i also hope to be an organ donar then cremated - memorial service at best, and my spiritual group knows the kind of service i would want.  i always had this thought that it would be sort of neat to be somehow liquidated and my bones reassembled to be an med school's anatomy classrooms skeleton in the corner... but i don't think they even use real bones for that - at most they might take just a skull or something lol.  Oh well

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/9/2007 3:37:32 PM   
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i always had this thought that it would be sort of neat to be somehow liquidated and my bones reassembled to be an med school's anatomy classrooms skeleton in the corner...



Guess again...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-11-16-plastination_x.htm?csp=34

My favorite (from another article I read) is the one where the skinned plastinated person has their skin draped over their arm like an overcoat.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/9/2007 4:02:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		i read the link - it talked about injecting plastic to preserve the whole corpse - nothing about skinning it to the bone lol......i wanna be a skeleton!

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/9/2007 4:11:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		There used to be great ceremony around funerals, especially during the Victorian Era. Funeral photography of the dead in their coffin was a whole industry, as well as the various other merchandising opportunities, such as death announcements that included the photo, black crape drapes and decorations and wreaths for the home, black clothes for the bereaved, dishes and plates that featured weeping willows. A big thing was jewelry made from the hair of the dear departed. You snagged a lock of hair, and a jeweler would weave it into earrings, bracelets, brooches, whatever, and add jet beads and a gold clasp, and your loved one could accompany you everywhere.

The mourning business began loosing ground during World War I, and now most of those old customs have faded away. However, the South is always known for lingering traditions, I guess. I have seen people take photos at funerals, and I hate it, but if it makes them happy, I suppose. I have never seen any jewelry made with the hair of the deceased, though, thank goodness.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/10/2007 7:52:10 AM   
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the clostest i came to this is when my sister and i were at cemetary we took pics of eacother. [not the grave]

a pic is the ultimate slap in teh face per a bad day.

BTW- doo not display pictures where the persons back is faacing camera. under feng shui, it means the person will leave your life.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/10/2007 9:08:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		The last funeral I went to I did take pictures. C had always joked that he wanted his funeral to have all his freaky friends celebrating his life.
So.. I took pictures to let him know that it happened like that. He won't see them but that wasn't the point. Some of those there I hadn't seen in 2 decades & some I probably won't see again. But we gathered to say goodbye to C and I guess I just wanted it documented as a group of old friends not just a group of mourners.
No one seemed offended, a lot of people smiled for the camera as they stood around recalling stories. It felt like it spurred people on, swapping memories & old tales from our shared youth.
I don't look at the pics. I just have them.

Hmm maybe I should add that 'Harold & Maude' is one of my favorite movies?

edited to add: I live in Michigan so at least one yankee does this.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/10/2007 9:15:12 AM   
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They have grass and trees rather than asphalt and concrete.


yeah... You are forgetting the tons of fertilizer that is running off into the eco system.

Not tro you dc,  but it amazes me on how many on the left jump all over golf courses for being "un green" while never mentioning cemetaries that out number them in droves and droves and droves.


It's so refreshing that you once again had nothing to add to the topic.

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/10/2007 9:29:00 AM   
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Aileen,
Maybe she needed the pictures as verification in order to get the 'funeral discount' airline fare?


Now that's just wrong.

Plagiarized the idea from a Seinfeld episode.



Maybe she needed the pics for work to PROVE that she actually did attend a funeral. You know, EVERYONE uses they ole "somebody died" excuse too much! *joke* Actually, I think I remember years ago someone taking pics at an Aunt's funeral. I didn't attend, though. I guess I could have asked for copies to see what I missed!

Perhaps it is a "cultural thing" as someone else mentioned. It seems more common in the Southern US. Funerals and postmortem portrayals have been around for ages...just look at ancient artwork, paintings, and sculptures for example. So, as photography came into play, it is only normal that it would follow suit. Funerary or postmortem photography was quite popular during the Victorian Era. They have many books published on the subject. I find it quite fascinating and even contemplated buying one of those books at one point. It's kinda "odd" the way that the deceased, especially babies and children were deliberately POSED for the pics and oftentimes, posed to appear as if they were still alive. I particularly like to take pics of cemetaries, gravesites, and crypts that I find beautiful and interesting. I have photographed many historical cemetaries on trips that I have taken. I also took a pic of the gravesite of Jon Benet Ramsey outside Atlanta, GA several years ago when I visited there. Although, taking pics of NEWER graves is not something I normally do. Check out the link below as it explains why funerary photography was utilized and popular during Victorian times.

http://www.deathonline.net/remembering/mourning/victorian.cfm

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/10/2007 9:40:09 AM   
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Well either way, I hate funerals.  I hope when I die there's not enough of me left to bother disposing of!

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/10/2007 9:44:23 AM   
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i read the link - it talked about injecting plastic to preserve the whole corpse - nothing about skinning it to the bone lol......i wanna be a skeleton!



Velvet,

It's quite a fascinating process. I went to the BodyWorlds exhibit here and viewed all the "plastic" cadavers, etc. You can actually donate your body to the exhibit and it is for the "good of science." I guess that being a healthcare professional, I would find it intriguing...although a bit odd at the same time. There were alot of children there at the exhibit, I am not sure how they processed what they were seeing or if they even realized that these were ACTUAL dead people.

I've decided that I want to be made into a beautiful and flawless diamond...a rare cut and color as well. I don't think they are doing Asscher or Cushion cuts at this time, though! LOL It makes sense as we are made up of carbon as are diamonds. Thing is, I am not SURE who I would will myself to as I have no husband, etc. at the moment. You can even have your PET made into a diamond after it dies. I would LOVE to have my Dad made into a diamond and wear him close to my heart...don't think his wife will go for it, though! I would love to ask him. I'm sure he would think I am "nuts"....: )

Here is one such company below.

http://www.lifegem.com/secondary/whatisLG2006.aspx

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/10/2007 10:29:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		If anyone is interested, I found a site with some Victorian postmortem photos on it...both adults and children, but mostly children. However, some of you may find these images "disturbing," so please be forewarned and look at them at your own discretion. One of these is of a young woman sitting up with her eyes open and it was supposedly taken NINE says after she died. She looks like she is alive, though! I'm not sure I believe that one.

I found a MODERN version of postmortem photography. So, for some, it is still a valid option to remember their loved one. It contains pics of infants that have died that were photographed with and without their parents. I have also posted the link below as well.

Disclaimer: I am NOT to be held responsible for any untoward outcomes you may experience...ie. heart attacks, nervous breakdowns, etc.

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http://www.fazed.net/out/?id=12582

http://www.nowilaymedowntosleep.org/index.cfm

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RE: A Strange Wake - 6/10/2007 11:21:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		 I live in the south ,I'm not ssure if it's tradition or not but I have also observed that their are family photos of deceased relitives some passed in my early years way to young for me to temember them.
I also took photos when both my parents passed & my very closest friends , for they were more like my family that my real ones were but still it was closeure for me & much easier letting them go, especially after what cancer did to them. Seeing them look as  though they were healthy and   the look of peace  they had after passing  having the photos I can always look at them and know in my heart that they were at peace. That to me  is a comfort.
Even the closest of their family wanted the photos as well so it wasn't strange , weird or bizzar to me

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