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windchymes -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 4:14:35 AM)

There are some nice textbook quotations here, but I'm wondering if anyone here has actually analyzed urine in a laboratory?



Areflectionofyou -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 4:23:36 AM)

Is he not the Dom???? its not about laziness , its about service....!!!!!
quote:

ORIGINAL: YourShyPet

Ok there is just something about a person who cannot even bother to get out of bed to use the bathroom that just screams.... I AM FUCKING LAZY!!!!!!... but that's just me.


kittin



velvetears -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 4:42:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad


"Aswad, now i am totally confused. i asked that specific question in another thread - about the safety of swallowing urine if the doms on meds and the consensus was it's safe - now in this thread it seems to swing the other way.  Would it depend on what meds?" -- velvetears


I didn't see that thread, I think.



i remember now what that was - it wasn't a drinking urine thread it was the urine enema thread that it was asked if it was safe regarding meds. Sorry for the confusion.



Aswad -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 5:05:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes

There are some nice textbook quotations here, but I'm wondering if anyone here has actually analyzed urine in a laboratory?


Millions of people have, many times. What in particular did you want to know about it?

If you have something in particular in mind, I can ask a friend to take a sample to the lab.

I don't have kidney problems or communicable diseases, though, so I can't check that.



Aswad -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 5:16:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

i remember now what that was - it wasn't a drinking urine thread it was the urine enema thread that it was asked if it was safe regarding meds. Sorry for the confusion.


Ah.

Well, a urine enema stays in for a fairly short time, I'd guess. At least, that's what's been my experience.

IIRC, the rectum will absorb things more slowly, so it depends on how much and how long. However, anything that can be absorbed transmucosally (such as certain opioids, most stimulants, most gels, etc.) will be absorbed at the usual rate if there is an active fraction left in the urine. Hence, I'd suggest allowing the person to expel the enema as soon as possible if the drug is excreted through the kidneys and it would be undesirable for them to absorb the drug.

Again, depends a bit on the drug.

If it's something serious, like heart meds, stims, strong pain killers, and so forth, I'd suggest talking to the doctor before attempting a urine enema. OTC stuff and the more "everyday" things can probably be relegated to the status of "if it causes a problem, stop doing it, otherwise have fun", though I'd still suggest not holding the enema in for long.

When it comes to drinking it, though, as in toilet service, it will pass through the system in the usual way.

If in doubt, ask the doctor. They either know, or can find, the answer.

For a general idea or guideline, ask someone who knows where to look for the info, like a pharmacist, or me, or some of the nurses here.



SadisticMan -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 5:20:00 AM)

Here is some good info and not just made up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_urine



Aswad -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 5:38:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadisticMan

Here is some good info and not just made up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_urine


With all due respect, I'd like to quote the founder and head honcho of Wikipedia:

"Don't trust Wikipedia." -- Jimbo Wales

The article in question does not provide any sources, and mainly states what has already been said on this thread. In that regard, WP is as "made up" as anything anyone has posted here. Bear in mind that WP takes a consensus approach, which frequently ends up with the mainstream opinion of people with no background in a topic, and with few or no sources to support its articles; "alternative" topics (sexuality, faith, etc.) tend to be among the worst in this regard. I hope you didn't mean to imply that we were making up advice to give to people, rather than conveying experiences and what we think we know about it.



Mercnbeth -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 7:16:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: touchedbyone
my dom has been whispering in my ear about training me to care for his need to urinate during the night. he doesnt want to get up to relieve himself.
anyone care to share their experiences in this area?
Obviously after three pages of "expert" opinions the answer is No - there is nobody here with experience in this area.

It is about service and how it manifests itself in your particular relationship. We partake in various forms of this play, however this is not one of them. The morning has other rituals. Have you any experience in 'water-sports'? The drinking aspect has it's dangers, just like most of the other things that come under the umbrella of BDSM activities.

If your Dom is "whispering" in your ear, perhaps you should be discussing it opening in a conversation level voice. Discussing; his desire - your concerns along with the practical. Doing it the first time, I would not recommend staying in bed. It could be very messy, and you won't know your reaction. Morning urine is stronger than at any other time of the day. It represents 'X'--hours of 'filtration'. If you haven't done this before I'd suggest trying first in the evening, in a tub shower. Work up to his goal.

I'm sure your Dom isn't unique in his desire. I'm sure there are many, of both genders, who have this as part of their daily routine, who are no worse for the experience. Water-sports is a personal, intimate act. Consumption is a intimate expression of service.

Good luck.



earthycouple -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 7:25:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadisticMan

Here is some good info and not just made up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_urine


No kidding...Wikipedia is just a bunch of random people writing stuff.  maybe their sources are accurate maybe not.  Just like us.
With all due respect, I'd like to quote the founder and head honcho of Wikipedia:

"Don't trust Wikipedia." -- Jimbo Wales

The article in question does not provide any sources, and mainly states what has already been said on this thread. In that regard, WP is as "made up" as anything anyone has posted here. Bear in mind that WP takes a consensus approach, which frequently ends up with the mainstream opinion of people with no background in a topic, and with few or no sources to support its articles; "alternative" topics (sexuality, faith, etc.) tend to be among the worst in this regard. I hope you didn't mean to imply that we were making up advice to give to people, rather than conveying experiences and what we think we know about it.




daddysprop247 -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 8:49:08 AM)

touched...this is a service i have been performing for my Master for some time, although as of yet i haven't swallowed his urine while he is lying down in bed, we're still working on that one. but i am able to swallow a full load of his urine without difficulty, after a lot of initial training. i have taken his piss while he was driving, me on my knees in the passenger seat, but it's a slower process and i haven't yet reached the point where he can let his urine flow at the natural pace when i'm in that position. but him standing and me kneeling before him, using my mouth as a urinal, is now a breeze.

has your Dominant trained you in any form of toilet service, and this is just another step? or is your very first foray? if the latter is the case, then perhaps you could do as Merc suggested and see if he's willing to gradually build up to it, starting with feeding you small amounts of diluted piss (mostly water), saving a few drops after he uses the bathroom. then steadily increase the amounts, then eventually taking the piss au naturel (no watching what he eats or drinks), then move on to different positions.



YourShyPet -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 9:20:32 AM)

Ok quite a few people have tried to point out to me the service aspect of late night pee drinking as it relates to other submissive services like fetching drinks... coats... etc.... First I'd like to point out that I did say... this is just my thought on that type of service... Second I'd like to point out that I made sure to say it was my thought because my ideas of service tend to really vary from lack of a better term standard submissive services.

I did in fact bring this thread up to my Daddy last night who agreed with my feelings about it... and did point out some interesting questions on the subject.....

He was very curious to know how this type of service... specifically having a sub or slave be a late night in bed urinal... could actually come about..

His thoughts where.... he couldn't see how if said Dom... Master awoke in the middle of the night with the urge To Go could just roll over .... pop it in and go... because be it sub.. slave ..... whoever... the most logical reaction of the reciever would be to jerk awake sputtering and startled... and the odds that they wouldn't make a mess would be slim to none.

His other thought was that.... is Dom or Master going to turn over and wake up said sub or slave.... in which odds are by the time said sub or slave is awake enough to preform said service said Dom or Master is now wide awake too... which we both felt.... again We Felt... that probably isn't the goal of the service to have sleep interrupted like that especially on a nightly basis... now we could be wrong, and sleep interruption is part of the service... but my Daddy feels..... again He Feels... that for him he'd rather just get up and stagger to the bathroom half awake... do his business... and crawl back into bed and zonk right out again....

Again I did say this is just me.... the way I feel about said service... I tend to feel differently about many types of services.... My Daddy and I are often considered the Odd among the Oddities LOL.... which we adore being... and we also adore.

I had thought I had covered My Kink Isn't Your Kink... But Thats Ok with my post... but if people missed that... guess I'll have to remember that for the next time.

kittin



kyraofMists -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 9:32:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: YourShyPet
I had thought I had covered My Kink Isn't Your Kink... But Thats Ok with my post...


I have to disagree that that is what your original post covered.  What it covered was My Kink Isn't Your Kink and Your Kink Makes You Fucking Lazy.  You kind of missed the "That's OK" part and this post is just justification for your negative judgments of other people.

Prejudice is just other people's opinions, but that doesn't make it right or mean that other people have to just sit back and keep their mouth shut when they see it. 

Knight's kyra




YourShyPet -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 9:52:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

I have to disagree that that is what your original post covered.  What it covered was My Kink Isn't Your Kink and Your Kink Makes You Fucking Lazy.  You kind of missed the "That's OK" part and this post is just justification for your negative judgments of other people.

Prejudice is just other people's opinions, but that doesn't make it right or mean that other people have to just sit back and keep their mouth shut when they see it. 

Knight's kyra





Again... got the disagreement loud, and clear.... which is why I reposted in attempts to clarify... if it's now clear to some... great... if I'm still a judgemental prejudice person... oh well wasn't my intention to come off as one... but it is as common a lable for me as is as common for people to tell me, and my Daddy that Our Kink Is Not Their Kink.... And It's Not Ok... and we must teach you the correct way to go about it... but we take this as a duck.. and apply it to the back because I guess we are just made of sterner stuff ... and our feelings are... If you, and the one.... ones your with enjoy your kink .. be it our kink or not.... bravo to you, and let the enjoyment continue.

kittin



Wildfleurs -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 10:08:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: touchedbyone

my dom has been whispering in my ear about training me to care for his need to urinate during the night. he doesnt want to get up to relieve himself.
anyone care to share their experiences in this area?


My owner wants to get me to the point of being able to drink his urine that for one full day he can just use my mouth for urinating or sexual pleasure or just switch back and forth.  To me its more an expression of domination and an opportunity to be of service than anything remotely humiliating (plus it is bonding in a weird sort of way).

I've swallowed his urine a fewof times, what I found that was most important was swallowing continuously.  The first time I let almost all of it pool in my mouth and it was hard to swallow it all down at once.  But if you can get a rhythm of swallowing every so often then its a little bit easier (and if he's willing to give you spurts of urine at first rather than one huge flow that makes it easier also).

'Like anything in life, its all a function of moderation and drinking plenty of water afterwards.

C~

Edited to add, after reading the thread I have to agree with the suggestions of starting out slow and drinking in the position of kneeling at his feet - we haven't moved to me being able to swallow his uring while he's laying down, I would think that would be difficult and potentially messy for the first time.



windchymes -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 10:24:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes

There are some nice textbook quotations here, but I'm wondering if anyone here has actually analyzed urine in a laboratory?


Millions of people have, many times. What in particular did you want to know about it?

If you have something in particular in mind, I can ask a friend to take a sample to the lab.

I don't have kidney problems or communicable diseases, though, so I can't check that.



No, I didn't mean HAD your urine analyzed.  I mean PERFORM urinalysis in a clinical laboratory setting.  I mean know the theory, practices, policies and procedures involved.  Does anyone here really know what a calcium oxalate crystal looks like?  How to measure the specific gravity and what it means? 

I just wish people would leave medical advice to the professionals. 




KnightofMists -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 10:32:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: YourShyPet

... great... if I'm still a judgemental prejudice person... oh well wasn't my intention to come off as one... but it is as common a lable for me as is as common for people to tell me, and my Daddy that Our Kink Is Not Their Kink.... And It's Not Ok... and we must teach you the correct way to go about it...


How very interesting that it is so common for you to be labeled as a judgemental prejudice person..... I guess it's ok since so many project the same behavior on to you.



MadRabbit -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 11:28:26 AM)

Well...

Started off with some indiginant opinions completely irreleveant to the thread made by cool people..
Moved on to some self righteous indigination towards the people making the opinion because on this particular thread, the self righteous person didnt happen to have indignant opinions towards this particular aspect of the lifestyle...
Quickly got back on track with some "expert" advice from Bart Simpson...
So we could continue with 2 pages of a balanced mix of misinformation and information, nullifying the ability for anyone to actually learn something here...
Added another irrelevant opinion from someone who has no experience outside of their own prejudged views, mixed with some justification for their first indiginant irrelevant opinion...
And hence, bringing us to this point where some Rabbit guy can come threw and make a sweeping generalization of the entire thread, consequently portraying himself as superior to everyone else posting.

Another beautiful day at Collarme.com...



gooddogbenji -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 12:01:48 PM)

Followed by the dog killing the rabbit guy for acting superiour, thus proving that he is more sincere than Retard Rabbit over there.

Yours,


benji



Politesub53 -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 2:15:52 PM)

If it helps anyone i found this link to Columbia Unversity medical center.

http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/2187.html

[;)]



kinkychild18 -> RE: piss doll/slave (6/9/2007 4:07:58 PM)

Well, what I said is only what I have read in books. Didn't mean to sound "superior".



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