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Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:02:10 PM   
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By Deborah CharlesSat Jun 9, 12:02 PM ET
 


The majority of Americans support the death penalty but nearly 40 percent think their moral beliefs would disqualify them from serving on a jury in a capital trial, a poll showed on Saturday.

Conducted for the Death Penalty Information Center, a group that opposes capital punishment, the poll showed 62 percent of those surveyed support executing convicted murderers.

But 39 percent of the 1,000 people questioned in the survey, which had a margin of error of 3.1 percent, said they thought they would be disqualified from serving in a jury in a capital murder case because of their moral beliefs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070609/us_nm/usa_deathpenalty_dc

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:08:37 PM   
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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:25:16 PM   
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The majority of Americans support the death penalty but nearly 40 percent think their moral beliefs would disqualify them from serving on a jury in a capital trial, a poll showed on Saturday.



The word for that is "hypocrisy."

"I support the death penalty in the abstract as long as somebody else does it.  That way, if it goes wrong I am not held responsible for being in any way involved with killing somebody."

Some people are disgusting.

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:27:58 PM   
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go in, have a sadistic look on your face and laugh maddly saying "kill em all, kill em all, muwhahahahahaha"

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:33:16 PM   
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best way to get out of jury duty is:

go in, have a sadistic look on your face and laugh maddly saying "kill em all, kill em all, muwhahahahahaha"

LOL



A woman I work with teaching full-contact women's self defense was pulled into a jury for a rape case.

She stated that she has worked in that industry as a female instructor for 16 years.

She indicated that she could not discount her professional experience and education and listen to only what was presented in the case.

She indicated it would be impossible for her to set aside her bias against rapists and hear the case as an impartial juror.

She told me the case went 8 days, and resulted in a verdict of guilty.

There are no guarantees, michael.  They might look at a person saying that and go "yer our boy/girl"

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:36:21 PM   
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The majority of Americans support the death penalty but nearly 40 percent think their moral beliefs would disqualify them from serving on a jury in a capital trial, a poll showed on Saturday.



The word for that is "hypocrisy."

"I support the death penalty in the abstract as long as somebody else does it.  That way, if it goes wrong I am not held responsible for being in any way involved with killing somebody."

Some people are disgusting.

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Agreed. I understand why some support the death penalty, but that isn't enough to make me change my thoughts on it.
 
For the U.S. to be lumped in with China, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, and the Sudan.... way to go, team.

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:36:46 PM   
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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:41:29 PM   
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maybe, but i don't want to be on a jury...i would purposely vote opposite everyone else and would make that clear to the judge


That is one way to get contempt of court charges, if not obstruction of justice charges, levelled at you. 

You do know that when you are being questioned it is done on the record...

Now if you made a comment about your religion teaching that one does not judge others, and that your faith prevents you from serving on a jury, that might get you dismissed for cause.

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:44:56 PM   
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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 4:50:32 PM   
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maybe just tell them that I don't believe in the system


Good luck!

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 5:49:31 PM   
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I no longer try to get out of jury duty as I have found courtroom trials to be quite entertaining in many ways. However, if you really want to avoid it just tell the judge that you hate defense lawyers for helping out obvious criminals. If the judge doesn't disqualify you the defense counsel will.

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 7:45:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't have a problem with voting for the death penalty.  It costs over $1 million to incarcerate a prisoner for life.  How many worthy young people could go to college on that money?  How many sick kids could have medical treatment?  How many libraries could we build?

I wonder how many of those individuals who believed that their moral views would keep them off a jury would vote in favor of the death penalty if they were given a choice between executing the prisoner and slashing the social services they use the most to pay for room and board for life for him.

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 8:04:41 PM   
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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 9:49:16 PM   
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maybe, but i don't want to be on a jury...i would purposely vote opposite everyone else and would make that clear to the judge


Thats why jury selection takes a long time, the case I was on took 5 days, 150 peopel to get the panel of 12 plus 4 alternates int he case i was on. It wasn't captial, but it could have been if te DA had thought they could have gotten it.

If yuo had been in the selection panel that I was, the attorneys woudl have had a FIELD day with yuo, they kept peopel on there who CLEARLY did NOT want to be there, just to f**k with them until they had to get rid of them, it was funny watching people say 'kill'em all.' A few people were held in contempt and 2 people had to serve jail time for like charges, judges in my area mean business.

Heck, if after we were sworn in and we MIGHT be late we had to call in and let someone know; one of my panel members got a flat tire [5 min from the court house] and called our clerk AND our balif; they had a sheriff deputy go and pick her up when she got a flat tire; they changed it to the donut then gave her an escort to court, it was an interesting morning, lol.

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 9:52:05 PM   
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I wouldn't have a problem with voting for the death penalty.  It costs over $1 million to incarcerate a prisoner for life.  How many worthy young people could go to college on that money?  How many sick kids could have medical treatment?  How many libraries could we build?

I wonder how many of those individuals who believed that their moral views would keep them off a jury would vote in favor of the death penalty if they were given a choice between executing the prisoner and slashing the social services they use the most to pay for room and board for life for him.



So you vote to kill somebody because he committed a crime.

He gets killed.

DNA evidence exonarates him 5 years after your vote put him to death.

You are ok with this.

Ummm, ok.

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 9:52:43 PM   
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I wouldn't have a problem with voting for the death penalty.  It costs over $1 million to incarcerate a prisoner for life.  How many worthy young people could go to college on that money?  How many sick kids could have medical treatment?  How many libraries could we build?

How many libraries is an innocent persons death worth? Would a sick child be happy to discover his treatment was possible because the state had executed a random individual?

The death penalty has not ever been fairly applied in this nation and it is virtually a cetainty that Texas has executed an innocent since the reintroduction of capital punishment. If you're wealthy in Texas you can chop up your neighbor and dump the pieces in the harbor and walk out of court but if you're poor and black your lawyer can spend your trial drunk or asleep or simply refuse to put on a defense and you will get a date with the chair.

Most murders are commited by whites but most death row inmates are minorities. How is that appropriate?

Did you know that between 1980 and now Illinois has released more death row inmates proven to be innocent of the crimes they were convicted of than they have executed?

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 9:53:31 PM   
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I almost got a peremptory challenge because I indicated I was an engineer who insisted on fully understanding something before I made a decision on it.

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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 9:56:55 PM   
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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 10:09:11 PM   
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RE: Majority of Americans favor the death penalty - 6/9/2007 10:11:33 PM   
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maybe i could go in with a vacant look on my face and drool a little, for good measure...and say "whoa, Dude" alot...LOL


Ah, the Kato Kaelin approach.

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