Aswad
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43
In the situation you gave, it doesn't sound as though there was ever clear communication on this. [...] the truth is that both need to learn to communicate clearly and listen actively.
Quite agree on this part. There's no shortage of miscommunication in the world.
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However, if someone flatly refuses, that is nonconsent.
Yes. Or, rather, current nonconsent.
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Doesn't matter if they accepted a collar before the subject came up or not, once someone refuses to give consent or withdraws it, no force or coercion can be used.
I'd agree that it would be unethical to use force or coercion in noncompliance with the terms of consent.
But using it in a way that does not violate the original terms of consent (what some here have called "blanket consent") is a matter of personal taste and local legislation. Around where I come from, you can take it pretty far if the person has agreed, in writing, to allow you to disregard whether they withdraw consent.
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What should happen then is clear communication without anger or threats on either hand. From what you said, this was lacking from the beginning.
It is usually the most productive approach, yes. And it did seem to be lacking.
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