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Joseff -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 4:46:57 PM)

Damn! Rules!



kc692 -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 4:48:22 PM)

Joseff, you aren't wanting spanking from Mod 11 are you???? RFLMAO, that would be a good way for a user to get a BIG one![;)]



openmindedslave -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 4:55:08 PM)

I remember there was a dom in MD that I thought was so up front with her std, that she had STD  in her handle here.And she explained she received  it from her last slave.She was open to her  herpies and in someways I am sure others with it might have discovered that they could serve a dom  with the same  issues as themselves...

Sad truth is most that have something out here will still beable to spread it.Their  completely selfish if they know they have something . Sad truth is, they will jail a hooker who has aids and is not informing her clients .She or he  will be considered  to be trying to kill another person because of their illness.



EvilGeoff -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 4:56:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kc692

I would like to point out that it is against TOS to out a user, and supposedly we are all adults.  That means that unfortunately, we must make our own mistakes.  I wish you luck when you try again.


It's against the TOS to say "I was in relationship with HorneyToadDom and he cheated on me?" 

MY understanding of the term "outting" is to mean saying something to the effect of "HorneyToadDom's real name is John Q Public!"

Would a Moderator care to clarify please?

YIK,
- Geoff



kc692 -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 5:08:49 PM)

Criticism This profile contains criticism of a specific user or person
 
If this is a choice on reporting a profile on the other side, what would you term it other than what the complaint is about?  It doesn't ask whether deserved or not.
 
Can you imagine, if everyone on here could talk SPECIFICALLY about a bad experience with another user, how could anyone know that it was true?  That is just another way of creating a blacklist, and who decides whether the complaint against the user(and I am talking generally, not in this specific case) is true and valid?  Can you not see the wave of horrendous claims and statements(again not speaking about this case) whenever a relationship breaks up that concerns users on here, that ends with bad feelings, or one night stands gone awry in the eyes of one of the people involved?

\edited to add:  This option is available for journals also.



ThinkingKitten -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 5:10:56 PM)

Yet another sorry instance of "buyer beware" - sorry OP, to hear of your troubles - chin up though, you weren't in too deep yet.
 
As for the possibility of knowingly spreading STD's - I think there is a charge called "depraved indifference" (thanks to Law 'N' Order for that one - LOL). I chatted with a Dom once on CM who, when asked, admitted to potentially having herpes. I give him points for 'fessing up, but hisses for still being on here looking (although maybe he knows his status is now negative - who knows?).



Faramir -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 5:18:45 PM)

"Outing a serial user"=I'm hurt and want to hurt back.



LadyHeart -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 5:32:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

If he knows he has these diseases and is passing them on knowingly, could there not be a case for assault charges?

We had a case in the UK a year or so ago of a woman sent to prison for attempted murder, after she knowingly passed on the HIV virus. Mind you I think the case hinged on her having done so deliberately as a form of vengeance on the world or some such, which was established by way of her own correspondence and diary.

E


Such cases have been successfully prosecuted in both Australia and New Zealand. It is a crime here whatever the motive. If you know you have sexually transmittable diseases and knowingly pass them on, that is sufficient for a prosecution. So far, I've only seen it done with HIV - I guess it depends what the statutes say.
:))
LH



LadyHeart -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 5:37:22 PM)

In my experience, even when the information is out there, people don't listen/don't want to hear. Most people choose to give others the benefit of the doubt, or doubt the motives of those that warn them. I know I've lived to regret not listening to the comments of others about certain individuals, thinking it was revenge or gossip, and that they deserved a fair go. I thought about trying to warn others about the One who stalked/outed me, but came to the conclusion it would only be seen as sour grapes. All I could do was be honest if asked, but volunteering information just tends to make the one doing the talking look bad.
:))
LH



silvermuse -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 5:38:12 PM)

I believe they've also been prosecuted in various parts of the usa Lady Heart.

muse



VeryMercurial -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 6:00:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mygoldilocks

Thank you EvilGeoff for taking time to write.  I'm okay, been checked and am healthy.  And I only saw him twice, so I had no LTR to survive.  No worries about me.

But this guy is on our site and he's busy trolling.  And that's what bothers me.  He's well-connected, monied and a player.  And unsafe. 


At what point in life, are people responsible for the choices they make?
There are hundreds of players on this site, besides this man.



ModeratorEleven -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 8:54:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

It's against the TOS to say "I was in relationship with HorneyToadDom and he cheated on me?" 

MY understanding of the term "outting" is to mean saying something to the effect of "HorneyToadDom's real name is John Q Public!"

Would a Moderator care to clarify please?

Both are not allowed here.

XI



kc692 -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 9:09:45 PM)

Thank you for the clarification.



gooddogbenji -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 9:19:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

It's against the TOS to say "I was in relationship with HorneyToadDom and he cheated on me?" 

MY understanding of the term "outting" is to mean saying something to the effect of "HorneyToadDom's real name is John Q Public!"

Would a Moderator care to clarify please?

Both are not allowed here.

XI


Well, I wasn't in a relationship with HorneyToadDom, and am pretty damn glad, seeing what other people aren't saying about him.

Yours,


benji



EvilGeoff -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 9:55:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

Both are not allowed here.

XI


Thanks for the clarification.

So we will need to make sure to reference all encounters with caught out liars, cheats, disease-spreaders, etc with "Please PM me for details since I can privately gossip all I want to as long as I don't publically identify them as a loathesome species of troll."

[sm=applause.gif]

YIK,
- Geoff

Spreading the Light, on message at a time



kc692 -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 10:08:05 PM)

Now you got the idea!!



Lordandmaster -> RE: betrayal (6/10/2007 10:08:39 PM)

Yup, no law against ill-willed gossip.



ModeratorEleven -> RE: betrayal (6/11/2007 5:25:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

Thanks for the clarification.

So we will need to make sure to reference all encounters with caught out liars, cheats, disease-spreaders, etc with "Please PM me for details since I can privately gossip all I want to as long as I don't publically identify them as a loathesome species of troll."

Not quite.  That's still using the forums to spread that information, and we would rather not be party to that.

XI



EvilGeoff -> RE: betrayal (6/11/2007 7:08:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

Thanks for the clarification.

So we will need to make sure to reference all encounters with caught out liars, cheats, disease-spreaders, etc with "Please PM me for details since I can privately gossip all I want to as long as I don't publically identify them as a loathesome species of troll."

Not quite.  That's still using the forums to spread that information, and we would rather not be party to that.

XI

So you would rather be a party to the lying, cheating, de-frauding of your honest customers?  Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

While I understand the "corporate" mentality of scrambling like mad to avoid any kind of responsibility (and therefore any liability) in a situation like this, by enforcing policies and using pressure against the users of this forum to remain silent when someone is caught out in a lie, is actively cheating or defrauding other users, and/or engaging in conduct that is quite possibly criminal in nature, you as a moderator, and by extension Collarme.com, are in fact enabling and encouraging that behavior to continue.

So let me ask this:

Will Collarme.com take any action at all if a member makes a complaint against another regarding unsafe conduct?  Non-consentual conduct?  Criminal conduct?  Will Collarme.com investigate a complaint?
Will Collarme.com at least remove and ban someone who is stalking another member?  Caught out lying in their profile?  Defrauding other users?  Make any kind of good faith effort to police itself and it's members (other than for violating the TOS by publically identifying a horse's ass as such?).

BDSM as a sub-culture preaches values like responsibility, integrity, and honesty.  But it seems that the service provider here is preaching, by direct example: "Hey, it's not our problem you got screwed over. Shut up and get over it."

It seems to me if Collarme is going to turn a blind eye to immoral and/or illegal conduct, it's only fair to turn a blind eye when someone calls DomlyDom or supersub out on it.  Either let us police our own, or accept some responsibility as the service provider and do the policing.

Nuff said.

YIK,
- Geoff



RealDom69 -> RE: betrayal (6/11/2007 8:34:05 PM)

At some point you have to take responsibility for your own health and insist that your partner uses safe sex practices, having said that it's difficult to be 100% safe as most STDs can be caught orally, and contracting the likes of HPV and Chlamidia make you 5 times more sucseptible to HIV.. Play safe .. well as safe as you can.

:))

Johnny Reble



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