When is a slave no longer a slave?

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When she stops acting like one

20% (7)

When the Master allows her to not be one

14% (5)

Both take blame

20% (7)

none of the above

45% (16)

Total Votes : 35

(last vote on : 2/4/2008 3:11:51 AM)
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fyreredsub -> When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:00:03 PM)
Upon reading some lists that i am suscribed to, this subject came up... So here goes another poll[:D] When is a slave no longer a slave? I'ld be interested in some of the reasoning if ya'll got the time Thanks in advance

drawntothedark -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:09:50 PM)
That all depends doesn't it. The Goreans view it one way and the BDSM'ers view it another.

mnottertail -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:11:19 PM)
I had to chose none of the above although all 3 are sometimes a small piece of it.

fyreredsub -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:12:07 PM)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh i have to add none of the above now....[;)]Thanks Master Ron

fyreredsub -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:14:28 PM)
yes it is veiwed differently but it was a gorean list that had the difference of opinion to begin with but I wanted ALL M/s participants responses on this not Just Goreans hellofarunonsentance. i had to go to college to learn how to do that ya knowgoofy grin

imthatacheyouhav -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:15:21 PM)
Is this like a relationship gone south kinda question?...like the slave has stopped assuming the role of slave....i'm asking because the 3 questions you asked When she stops acting like one When the Master allows her to not be one *Both take blame The last one asking if they both are to blame.... i guess i'm not sure how to answer...or i misunderstand the question....

fyreredsub -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:19:38 PM)
Hiya, not sure what started the original question in the lists where i had read it. i just wanted to have have other input than the few people that were responding on the list Imo, it would seem a slave would quit being a slave ONLY if the Master stopped Mastering but i could be waaaaaaaaaay wrong in this line of thinking.shrugs

drawntothedark -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:26:16 PM)
She could stop being a slave if she wanted to stop......she could stop being "his" slave if he released her. (But ya know I think if you identify as a slave, a submissive, a Master, a Dom, a switch ....a scarecrow or even Dorothy........you will be one regardless of if you have a partner or not) Make sence

fyreredsub -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:27:54 PM)
hey drawn, yeah that makes sense. my brain has heard not a slave if not owned for too many years now[;)]

imthatacheyouhav -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 12:29:21 PM)
Hmm

beargonewild -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 1:10:54 PM)
In my thoughts, the reasons can are quite varied. a)dynamics of the relationship drastically change b)mindset of slave changes due to a variety of serious reasons c)The Master is abusive in a negative way d) any number of reasons Yet psychologically, a person's mindseyt is geared to being a slave, then they will always be a slave though maybe not in the literal sense.

Lordandmaster -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 2:11:49 PM)
A slave is no longer a slave when she is no longer someone else's property. Wow, that was simple.

Lashra -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 3:10:15 PM)
S/he is no longer a slave when she asks for release for whatever reason, when the Master/Mistress releases her for whatever reason or death. ~Lashra

HydroMaster -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 3:16:20 PM)
I'm going with whenever she or he doesn't feel like one anymore. The only thing that keeps a slave a slave is the desire to be one. If at any point they don't want that anymore they can go as they please. There is nothing legally holding someone in a slave role...not in this country at least.

drawntothedark -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 3:16:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster A slave is no longer a slave when she is no longer someone else's property. Wow, that was simple. then what do you call a slave with no Master? Some women identify with a slave. Some with a submissive. So if you identify as a slave but have no Master - then......what are you?

sleazybutterfly -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 3:18:26 PM)
When she/he decides she/he isn't one anymore.

litleone8620 -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 3:19:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: drawntothedark (But ya know I think if you identify as a slave, a submissive, a Master, a Dom, a switch ....a scarecrow or even Dorothy........you will be one regardless of if you have a partner or not) Make sence Makes sense to me. This is why I was confused by the question in the first place. I identify myself as a slave. But am I not one because I am unowned? I don't think so. A slave stops being a slave when he/she loses that mindset. Simple.

windchymes -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 3:22:38 PM)
When she turns into a dungeon?

xBullx -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 5:20:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster A slave is no longer a slave when she is no longer someone else's property. Wow, that was simple. Greetings Folks, Step back, I'm fixin' to absolutely floor the world with this next statement......... I agree with LaM on this, maybe our reasons are the same, or not, I'm not sure as to his thought process. I know this is gonna be hard to believe, but, I'm a Gorean, and in our way of thinking the man determines the way of the world. Now, take it easy Lashra, you can think however you want, I have no plans of even attempting to alter your views. I determine what a woman is to me, no one else does, apart from another man stating that this is my slave, my property. I do to my personal views am honor bound to his claims.( An example, fyre here is owned by Omega, a Gorean man in my view and he says she is his slave and has claimed and collared her, hense she is a slave. I would respect LaM's claim over a wench all the same. And even Lashras claim over her property.) So as you see, I even carry this into my interaction with those that are other than Gorean. As best I can anyway. Now, the question is then asked; "what is a girl if she has a slave’s heart then?" She is then in fact simply a submissive female, now, if she acts the part of the slave, she will surely be treated as such and in due course someone will surely help her along in her quest. But simply due to my beliefs and I'm not here forcing them on anyone, merely explaining them, a slave is property and men determine the fate of their property and if a girl is able to tell the man, she is a slave to him, that in my mind would be doing that topping from the bottom. Some are ok with that, many Goreans are not. I would like to point out, not all Goreans believe what I do, and some think all females are slaves, no matter their choice. But, that is a story for another day. This has been a public service announcement from your friends at GPTV, Gorean Public Television; it has been brought to you in cooperation with our friendly fellow sponsors and public money used to bring fine quality entertainment for your viewing pleasure. Him, Bull Edited for clarifications, or so I hope......

fairerthanshe -> RE: When is a slave no longer a slave? (6/13/2007 5:37:18 PM)
Greetings Master Bull, We have been around this particular barrell about a thousand times in the Gorean forum and will probably race around it again in the near future. It seems to fairer that since this is a site designed to allow people to meet and hopefully find the person(s) they seek, then the self identification as slave is to let potential Masters know who and what she is. Were this merely and information exchange, she would say FW, because that is what she is. But lets be realistic, you aren't on CM primarily to read what Leonidas or Rapture have to say. You are here to find a slave. Maybe two or three, and if you had to sort through all the submissive females to find the kajira in the hay stack, you would probably get a little disillusioned and frustrated not having other parameters with which to conduct your search. Perhaps fairer's alligator size mouth is getting her in trouble again, Master, she does not know. She does ask that we apply a little reason and rationale to the discussion. After all, it is only within the community of believers in Gorean philos that it matters who thinks of her as slave anyway. It's not as if she has "slave" printed on her business card. may she wish you well, fairer than she

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