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Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:09:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOS ANGELES - A woman who lay bleeding on the emergency room floor of a troubled inner-city hospital died after 911 dispatchers refused to contact paramedics or an ambulance to take her to another facility, newly released tapes of the emergency calls reveal.

Edith Isabel Rodriguez, 43, died of a perforated bowel on May 9 at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital. Her death was ruled accidental by the Los Angeles County coroner’s office.

Relatives said Rodriguez was bleeding from the mouth and writhing in pain for 45 minutes while she was at a hospital waiting area. Experts have said she could have survived had she been treated early enough.

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:13:57 PM   
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How can a hospital - A HOSPITAL- stand there and let a woman DIE in front of them?

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:18:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know. I read things like that, and it boggles my mind. There isn't an excuse for a human being to die like that. Not here.

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:21:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well it said that when the cops came they didn't help her......they tried to arrest her.

I generally do not play the race card - but!

I think if she had not been Latino........she would have been helped. Sorry, but that is what I think.

Sick - just sick the way some are treated sometimes

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:35:06 PM   
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pathetic.How can a hospital - A HOSPITAL- stand there and let a woman DIE in front of them?


The answer a hospital that every agency associated with it has been trying to close for over three years. 
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For 3 1/2 years, Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital has survived on a steady diet of last chances and last-minute reprieves.

Since January 2004, the public hospital has flunked more than a dozen inspections, and four times has been cited for problems so severe that regulators deemed patients in "immediate jeopardy."

Not once, however, has the government followed through on its threat to pull certification and the vital federal funding that comes with it.

"Let's be honest," said Dr. Dennis S. O'Leary, president of The Joint Commission, a hospital accrediting group, "if this were a hospital different from King/Drew, this would have been over a long time ago."
Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-king12jun12,1,7257172.story?track=rss 


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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:40:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Merc, what do they mean by "if this were a hospital different from King/Drew, this would have been over a long time ago." ?


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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:42:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		A bystander called 9-1-1 and told them their was an emergancy and the 9-1-1 dispatcher said 'this isn't an emergancy.' WTF?! The dispatcher said she was in the  hospital and to tell hospital personell, and they would handle it. Well DAMN, if the hospital personell was doing their JOB then no one would have needed or had to call 9-1-1 from inside the freakin ER.

This makes NO sence. When did the stupid people take over?!

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:56:43 PM   
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Merc, what do they mean by "if this were a hospital different from King/Drew, this would have been over a long time ago." ?

Level,
It is "political speak" for this place should have been closed years ago. 

The hospital serves a very poor neighborhood. One of the poorest in LA, if not the entire US. Its bankruptcy, which causes the poor treatment and condition of the facility, has been directly attributed to services provided to illegal aliens.

It's not often brought up, but US hospitals can NOT refuse treatment. There is no "universal health-care" but should you walk or crawl into any emergency room of any hospital in the US you will be treated....eventually. Hospitals are reimbursed by various sources, government, corporate, and philanthropic, for care given to indigent patients. It is the cause of the $8/pill aspirin you may see on a detailed bill you get. At this place, there is nobody going there with insurance or even on Medicaid if they can help it. Its a "free clinic" without the sign.

No one goes there with insurance or any manner of payment. There are stories in the papers, sorry can't find one at this moment, of gang members shot who tell the ambulance driver to take them to any hospital other than this one.

The problem is there is no neighborhood alternative. Contributory is the consideration that any extended neighborhood alternation would soon be in the same condition.

There is no excuse for what occurred, but the logical result - closing the hospital, would have consequences that nobody desires.

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 3:58:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, thank you for the insight, Merc. Man, what a mess!

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 4:08:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		WOW! Absolutely outrageous...inexcusable. These are the things that really piss me off.

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 4:10:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is why health services should not be run for profit. Spread the cost over the whole nation.


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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 4:17:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		It boggles the mind how some people can be so mind-numbed. But then this is what society has bred. Everything for me attitude.

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 4:22:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		First of all, the fact that everyone seems to want to blame the 911 operators jast pisses me off.  Royally.  The issue here isn't what they did.  The fact is, the poor woman bled out in the ER.  She was in the place that she needed to be in...transporting her somewhere else would have had the same result.  There are liability issues that people outside the public safety arena have no clue about.  In today's society, with the way everyone is looking for a free meal ticket using lawsuits, often public safety personnel are hindered by the thought that they can or may be sued by their actions.  Yes, that effects how they do things DAILY.  I can't speak for what the officers did...now THAT was asinine!  The officers I know would not have taken her out of the ER in her condition.....they would have told the hospital to notify the department when she was being released.  But place the blame where it lies! 

The HOSPITAL is to blame here.  And any time the family members wanted to take her someplace else, they could have called a cab, or driven here there by themselves.  It is NOT the job of the police to transport her anywhere....there is not any cop worth his salt that would have removed her from one ER to go to another.  And ambulance companies, or city ambulance or city medical personnel won't do it either.  Trust me, medical personnel don't listen to cops any more than they listen to John Q. Public.  I know this first hand from having worked with them on a daily basis...Doctors are arrogant, and nurses are overworked, and yes, tend to have bad attitudes about certain areas of the population they serve......just as every other human being has.  But I'm not going to get into that whole can of worms.  I would like to think that all medical personnel were above that, in a perfect world, they would be.  OK, enuf of that....

Hopefully, the federal govt will finally take action and do something about the hospital.  To let someone die because of negligence in this manner, with others who observed it happen, is going to be very hard to justify to anyone.  Those that are responsible for it are going to have to live with what they did, I know I couldn't.  This whole situation is appalling.  And a very sad commentary on the state of affairs today.

Also, one other side note....remember, this is the MEDIA telling this story.  They only want the juicy stories, and more often than not, skew the story in any way they can to get a rise out of the public.  Very few media outlets are pro-police/public servant, so of course, the only person(s) to be held responsible or the 911 operators, NOT the true culprits.  Yeah, I'm on a soapbox here.....it's a personal pet peeve I've had to deal with for years....the Media are nothing but vultures, I've seen this first hand.

Just my .05 worth.....

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 4:30:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen a lot in my 49 years... most spent searching out what was wrong with me.  It took nearly 40 years to dx two of my illnesses that are strange but not unheard of and I was the one that found them in research and 43 to find the rare one.  In OC Calif. waits at the hospital most used by illegal immigrants took at least four hours to get into a room and about an hour to see a doctor... didn't seem to matter what you had wrong.  I have watched people in the waiting room hit one another in anger and pain/sickness and no one do a thing... with a security gaurd right there.  I watched a brain damaged man walk up and hit a little girl about six years old.

I have been subjected to all sorts of things with them claiming I had nothing wrong... although they could not understand why I had seriously bad test results to major organs.  I have been called a liar, a drug addict, an alcoholic... because of liver... when it was actually tylenol!  I have been said to create the rare genetic illness that in America can only be found online.  I had a stroke once while in the hospital here in Colorado and they said I was lying and it was just a headache.

Nothing in this medical system surprises me!  Nothing!  My son is now brain damaged in part because of it!  Guess I have real attitude here!  But to make matters worse... here in Colorado... we have medical malpractice caps of one and a half million.  We can't even find a law firm that will take the case because they lose money!  Cannot hold anyone accountable, so they continue to mess up and this is one of the highest sued medical systems in the nation.  That cap wouldn't even cover what my son will need in care and now that the tax payers will have to eat!  BS if you ask me!

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 4:40:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Merc,

I to figured that the hospital was as you stated...the only one in a poor community.  The hospital I worked at had two campuses, one was a trauma center, the other a Hilton-type hospital....snooty.....with snooty medical personnel with it.

There was a definite difference in the clientele at both hospitals, and a definite difference in the treatment of people by staff...i don't mean the medical treatment, I mean the treatment on a personal level towards patients.  The staff at the trauma center tended to be more blunt in dealing with folks.....more of an "I don't really care about your personal problems" attitude..but they did treat everyone whether they had the cash money or not.  No one ever died in their waiting rooms either.  The hospital is one of the best in the area, and the trauma center is the second best in the state.

The poorer hospitals in the country are breeding grounds for just this kind of incident to happen, and I'm sure it has someplace else prior to this.  Again, if the media hadn't gotten wind of the fact that 911 operators "failed" to render aid, this story would have been pushed back to a tiny paragraph in the same section that has all the weekly shopping ads.  And unfortunately, next week, all the outrage being expressed in the public venue will be all gone next week....replaced by some other story.  We have become a totally numb society, so focused on our own little corner of the world that we are untouchable.  Again, one can only hope that this time the government will take the action needed, even if it means closing the doors of the hospital. 






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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 5:17:56 PM   
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This is why health services should not be run for profit. Spread the cost over the whole nation.




The people of this nation refuse to pay for any health costs they did not cause themselves and try their damnest to get out of those.

The reason this happened is because that place doesn't have any money nor do the people they treat. People should start reaching into their own pocketbooks before they start assigning blame.

Sounds like the entire place is run by cretions and it can't afford to hire anyone better.

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 5:24:25 PM   
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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 5:29:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something similar happened near me...
A man went into the ER with severe chest pains. The nurses that checked him in took it upon themselves to make the decision that it wasnt that serious, so they made him wait in the waiting room for over 3 hours. Sure enough he had a heart attack, and the guy ended up dying.

I also remember the story last year about the little kid that dialed 911 because his mother passed out on the floor. The 911 operator thought the kid was playing with the phone and disregarded the call. The kid did this twice with the same result. Finally he went next door and got a neighbor and the neighbor called. By the time the paramedics got there, the mother was dead.

My mother was a nurse for over 20 years. She has seen and heard enough horror stories with our healthcare system that you could fill several books....

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 5:29:46 PM   
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The people of this nation refuse to pay for any health costs they did not cause themselves and try their damnest to get out of those.

The reason this happened is because that place doesn't have any money nor do the people they treat. People should start reaching into their own pocketbooks before they start assigning blame.

Sounds like the entire place is run by cretions and it can't afford to hire anyone better.


Are you really serious? Have you ever been really sick? Caught without benefit of insurance? How do you propose that the "regular" folk pay for catastrophic illness? Any idea of the costs?

Last year I had exactly the same thing happen that this poor woman died from. Thank God the hospital I went to didn't have the same attitude. I had taken a year off of work to care for my ailing Mother and I had just returned to work. I didn't have insurance either but they didn't treat me like I was disposable. I refused the surgery, told the doc I had no way to pay for such a huge expense. He SCREAMED at me...."You are dying and I became a doctor so I could help people who might die without my help. I don't care if I ever see a dime but I am not going to stand here and let you die when there is a chance I can save your life!"

My hospital bills are over $270,000. My doctor charged me less than $2,000...and he told me not to worry over getting it paid. Do you think I should just write them a check? What would you do?

In one flash second your whole life can change. It doesn't wait for a time that is convenient for you. You can be cruising along thinking you've got the world licked and right out of nowhere you become one of the "needy".

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RE: Woman dies in ER - 6/13/2007 5:35:43 PM   
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I've seen a lot in my 49 years... most spent searching out what was wrong with me.  It took nearly 40 years to dx two of my illnesses that are strange but not unheard of and I was the one that found them in research and 43 to find the rare one.  In OC Calif. waits at the hospital most used by illegal immigrants took at least four hours to get into a room and about an hour to see a doctor... didn't seem to matter what you had wrong.  I have watched people in the waiting room hit one another in anger and pain/sickness and no one do a thing... with a security gaurd right there.  I watched a brain damaged man walk up and hit a little girl about six years old.

I have been subjected to all sorts of things with them claiming I had nothing wrong... although they could not understand why I had seriously bad test results to major organs.  I have been called a liar, a drug addict, an alcoholic... because of liver... when it was actually tylenol!  I have been said to create the rare genetic illness that in America can only be found online.  I had a stroke once while in the hospital here in Colorado and they said I was lying and it was just a headache.

Nothing in this medical system surprises me!  Nothing!  My son is now brain damaged in part because of it!  Guess I have real attitude here!  But to make matters worse... here in Colorado... we have medical malpractice caps of one and a half million.  We can't even find a law firm that will take the case because they lose money!  Cannot hold anyone accountable, so they continue to mess up and this is one of the highest sued medical systems in the nation.  That cap wouldn't even cover what my son will need in care and now that the tax payers will have to eat!  BS if you ask me!


I am so sorry to hear about your situation Lockit.
I hope you prevail with your son, don't give up fighting.
Many don't realize how bad and crappy the health care system is until something
happens to them or a family member.
I worked in long term care facilities years ago while I was in school, and people
would be shocked to know the conditions that the employees work under that take care
of their loved ones.
I never worked days, but I always wondered how 1 person could wash and dress and get up
10-12 fragile and disabled senior citizens in about 2 hours or less.
The trick is they don't usually wash them, I could tell you about 100 stories but I will spare you.
Most people don't have a fucking clue.
I pray when I go into a hospital, have surgery, etc. and I pray over the people that care for me and my
loved ones.
I have been lucky to have very good medical care overall, and I don't take it lightly or for granted.
Good luck.

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