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RE: cheating? - 6/16/2007 11:27:49 PM   
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You have a NEW Master, a new life.  So in my mind it should have started once you accepted the new collar.  I might be old fashioned, but just hear me out.  The only part of the previous life where I would have you involved is with the young one, that is the bottom line.  The young one is the love of the life, full stop.  NOTHING else is there to warrant anything.  If it does, then you have to look hard and deep at where your love and heart lies.

He had the car in for service, then let Him catch a taxi there.  You have to think in the back of your mind, you and He have finished, finalised it, so let His life stop there and have you walk forward from there.  If you continue seeing Him because of the young un, then I think you are actually looking at the relationship in more ways than one.  You and He have finished so then finalise it.

You and He have a young un, well then pick the young un up with your NEW owner all the time, re-inforcing the thought that the relationship between you and the previous Master has now finished.  If you do not, then it does send wrong messages.  It is like if you keep an old collar.  I would have no concern, about what the old Master has informed you.  I would have you send it back and finalise the relationship.  Keeping the collar would only re-inforce the mental dominance over you by the previous Master.

Be well.

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I totally disagree. Her new owner hasn't committed to her child. He could walk in a minute. Luckily her ex is committed to their child. What matters here is the child, not assuaging some new man's insecure ego.

The best thing for a child of a broken home is for the parents to get along, to work together for the best of the child. That includes helping each other out when needed.

Being a mother comes before being a submissive, always.


Greetings Celeste,

Of course the mothering comes first, that is the final thing in a real Master's life, the child does come first and foremost.  Until they are 18, then bloody kick them out....just chuckles away in a good way...ok.....LOL.

Every person reads the Op their way, and so your view is correct in the way that you see it.  I just saw it a different way.  We both do not know, really, if the new Master has only taken the female and not any young uns, have we.  We both can only go on what she has written in the Op and go from there.  Collaring a female comes with EVERYTHING, and that does mean everything.  A Master with the head on straight and the true mentality would know how to adapt HIS life to have that person with His life, simple.

Be well.

Frank Ar.


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RE: cheating? - 6/17/2007 12:00:36 AM   
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so are you stating you'd make her abandon all friendships, from before, you cut off all ties with family. with her job, with any one who's in her life, simply cause you came along?

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RE: cheating? - 6/17/2007 6:49:15 AM   
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so are you stating you'd make her abandon all friendships, from before, you cut off all ties with family. with her job, with any one who's in her life, simply cause you came along?

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[  The only part of the previous life where I would have you involved is
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A thought..

If the female came back home complaining about her job daily, I would tell her to quit.  The female then lets her other friends on the net that I told her to leave, or quit, her job.  I wonder what the uproar would be?

If the female has a friend that is a negative influence in her life.  I would see it, because I am outside the square, and tell her not to see the other female from now on.  She again tells her friends that she can't see the other friend.  Another uproar?

I make decisions that would affect us both, for the best interests in OUR relationship.  I would only have a relationship with a slave anyways.  If it affects her love to serve anyone, and that includes me, I would stop that negativity straight away.  No ifs or buts.  If it makes me look like an arsehole to the friends on the net, or outside of our relationship, then I do not care.  I would only care about her to the deepest core.  I would only want to bring out the best that she can be, whether it is with me or not, for I do not know the future.  With family, well no one in their right mind can stop anyone from seeing their family.  Unless it is about 15,000 miles away, then you can't just get into a car, or a plane, and see them.  We would plan and then take in a holiday, about 2-3 times a year.  I would put myself out so that she can see her family, if she wishes, no ifs or buts.

Be well.

Frank Ar.



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RE: cheating? - 6/17/2007 1:42:24 PM   
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If the said friends or job, are being toxic to her being, than I totaly agree with cutting them out. I've blocked someone I once considered a friend because he wouldn't respect I had a bf,  didn't have sex with other men, period, and I simply would not fuck said friend, his reply was well if you don't tell him, I won't either. I found his blazae fair attitude about lying to a person I am commited to offensive and boreish, so he';s not a friend any more.
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A thought..

If the female came back home complaining about her job daily, I would tell her to quit.  The female then lets her other friends on the net that I told her to leave, or quit, her job.  I wonder what the uproar would be?

If the female has a friend that is a negative influence in her life.  I would see it, because I am outside the square, and tell her not to see the other female from now on.  She again tells her friends that she can't see the other friend.  Another uproar?

I make decisions that would affect us both, for the best interests in OUR relationship. 
Frank Ar.




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RE: cheating? - 6/17/2007 2:01:14 PM   
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Well wait until tomorrow, ask him exactly why he believes you cheated.  Listen to him.  And then you calmly explain what actually happened.  Then he can accept it or not.

If he accepts it, you can begin from square one on him building sincere trust in you and the relationship and more mature relationship skills.

If he doesn't, then you must move on.

I find it a bad enough sign that he'd go off so quickly and react so rashly and that alone would make me hesitate to continue with him, but I understand you are in the situation and feel devoted to him.


I have to agree with Albatross however my gutt is telling me to ask you if this could possibly be a mind fuc&

Either way good luck, if it turns out worst case scenereo for you I wish you the best but I promise you there are plenty of good Doms out there that dont act with so much immaturity.

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RE: cheating? - 6/17/2007 2:26:09 PM   
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This is a good one. Again I can only reply in the way I believe.

I think of a M/s relationship as total. She is property. He is alowed to use other slave... unless he has made an agreement ahead of time not to. He has now made it a trust issue..and to do so, breaks the standard trust. And all trust. If he is playing around behind your back, then there are other issues involved.. serious ones.

This guy may be a bit insecure. It depends on how much. If it is totally excessive, you may be better with another Owner. He has relased you and the door is open. But maybe he just needs a little more reassurance. Did you ask him permission to help your ex? Or did you take it upon yourself to just do it? Always ask your Owner's permission for anything. Have him get you a cell phone, and then call you.. and meet you. If you are where you are supposed to be, he can stop in and check on you if needed.. and you should always welcome your Master's company. Any insecurities should go away, if he can do this.. baring bad spots and dropped calls, etc. If you keep forgetting it, or always have the battery dead, maybe he has reason to worry.

Also if he has the time to go looking for you, maybe he has the time to accompany you.

There is a distinct difference here, but I do not believe in being a Mother first. You are first a slave, and owned property. You must choose a Master who will make sure HE makes you a mother first. If he does not, you are free now, find one who will.  I do agree the child should not be exposed in any manner.

If you are in a D/s relationship (Dom or Domme/sub), then you are on your own.

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RE: cheating? - 6/18/2007 11:58:11 AM   
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Greetings Celeste,

Of course the mothering comes first, that is the final thing in a real Master's life, the child does come first and foremost.  Until they are 18, then bloody kick them out....just chuckles away in a good way...ok.....LOL.

Every person reads the Op their way, and so your view is correct in the way that you see it.  I just saw it a different way.  We both do not know, really, if the new Master has only taken the female and not any young uns, have we.  We both can only go on what she has written in the Op and go from there.  Collaring a female comes with EVERYTHING, and that does mean everything.  A Master with the head on straight and the true mentality would know how to adapt HIS life to have that person with His life, simple.

Be well.

Frank Ar.



If he had married her and was being a stepfather I'm positive the op would have mentioned it. Instead the way it was presented he isn't living with her, he isn't helping explain the math homework, teaching parallel parking etc. That means he isn't committed to her whole life, to her family.

And my point was that by giving her ex a lift when he needed it, she shows herself able to put aside her own issues with him as a husband and helps both of them be better parents because they can and do put aside their own issues in order to work together to be a better team. Being petty and telling him to take a cab when driving him doesn't cost her anything would be a sign that they can't get over their own issues in favor of the child's needs. A good parent doesn't hoard grudges against the ex which will prevent the child from being comfortable talking openly to both parents.

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RE: cheating? - 6/18/2007 12:01:05 PM   
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I have to agree with Albatross however my gutt is telling me to ask you if this could possibly be a mind fuc&

I've heard this suggested a lot lately when subs bring up issues with their dom.  Do doms really get away with disrupting the security of the relationship by calling it a "mindfuck" and therefore somehow making it ok?

Mindfucks are supposed to end with everyone feeling happy and more secure. 

Fucking with someones mind doesn't make it a "mind fuck"- it just makes it a fuck up.

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RE: cheating? - 6/18/2007 12:25:01 PM   
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My Master thinks I cheated on him with my ex yesterday, but I so did not. I don't know why he is acting like this, he never has before. Now he says we will still talk, but he doesn't own me anymore. I need him. Any advice on what to do?


He most likely would have released you anyway. It looks like an excuse to me. Sorry this sounds bad.
This is also what I dont understand, is their a word for female cuckholding? Or is it cheating?

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RE: cheating? - 6/18/2007 12:59:23 PM   
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Maybe she was gone for an excessive amount of time which gave him great cause for concern. Maybe that's why he went looking for her and when he found her not there he thought something terrible had happened to her. Maybe he was just plain worried to death and she blew it off like it was nothing causing him then....anger. Who knows, a simple phone call from her may have gone a long way. Unfortunately we only have one little tiny part of the whole picture here to go on.
I really don't feel that "kicking the bastard to the curb" is the answer to every problem that's posted here especially when we know so little about the folks involved and All the circumstances surrounding their dilemmas.

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RE: cheating? - 6/23/2007 10:44:39 AM   
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trust, being honest and understanding are the key elements of the Way.....

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RE: cheating? - 6/23/2007 10:52:17 AM   
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My Master thinks I cheated on him with my ex yesterday, but I so did not. I don't know why he is acting like this, he never has before. Now he says we will still talk, but he doesn't own me anymore. I need him. Any advice on what to do?


Relationships of any kind are hard. You need to look at yourself and the situation and see if there is anything that happened that would bring suspicion to you actually cheating. If there is/or isn’t any reason you need to sit down and talk to your master. You need to be completely honest and show him you can be trusted.

Something I heard of to, but it is just hearsay. If he accuses you of cheating and does not have proof, that might be a sign that he is actually cheating on you. Now I’m not saying he is, but just something to ponder.


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RE: cheating? - 6/23/2007 9:13:09 PM   
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My Master thinks I cheated on him with my ex yesterday, but I so did not. I don't know why he is acting like this, he never has before. Now he says we will still talk, but he doesn't own me anymore. I need him. Any advice on what to do?


Sure, here's some advice.  Find yourself a man who knows the difference between an owner and a boyfriend, and won't act like a jilted highschool boy on prom night.  Hate to tell you this, kiddo, but if he gives you the "we can still be friends" BS he probably didn't have the emotional maturity to own you in the first place.  Even if you get him to take you back, you're more than likely signing up for a roller-coaster ride of him releasing you or threatening to every five minutes.

Probably the most important quality in a slave owner is emotional maturity and stabilty.  As you make the transition from free to slave you are going to go through some pretty rough spots in the road emotionally.  Your master has to be the "rock" in that process.  Sorry, but it doesn't sound much like this guy is up to the task.

Good luck.

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RE: cheating? - 6/23/2007 10:07:50 PM   
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Best advice so far..... you don't need the instability of someone that insecure. 

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RE: cheating? - 6/24/2007 6:37:17 AM   
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Without reading through all of these:

It does sound like He has some insecurities to work out...
It does sound like He was looking for a "way out"...
It's been My experience that the one who accuses the other of cheating with no rhyme or reason behind it is the one doing the cheating...

Definitely time to move on.  Once the trust is lost (warranted or not), the relationship will fail.

O/our best wishes for you in this difficult time.

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RE: cheating? - 7/20/2007 7:40:51 PM   
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To the OP, please take this as one mother to another not a sub to a sub. Since the end of my relationship with my ex there have been times when we have hated each other, and times we remember (respectfully not sexually) what it was we liked about each other. We have helped each other out at times because bottom line is, that helps the child. Does he not need the car to transport the child? My ex and I have even gone as far as spending the night on each others couches so we do not  miss Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny! Place your childs welfare as your highest priority, and those out there who value children will respect you more for this!

I have been with jealous possessive men in my life and I must say, what they have done to me mentally has always affected my ability to take care of my children. Do not allow this to happen. Do what it right for you and your child. Stay strong mentally and emotionally for your child will need this for years to come. And if that means your heart has to hurt, well, hug your child more, love them more, and the love they give back will fill that void until you find someone who will understand that your most precious gift in life deserves the best they can get from both parents!

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RE: cheating? - 7/21/2007 8:27:23 AM   
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There are a lot of good replies on here. But, I also find it hard to give "proper" advice on so little information.
If you want to keep the relationship, you have to find out exactly why He released you so easily and distrusts you. My guess would be that you weren't where you were suppose to be when He drove by, since you said that He didn't see your car.
Is He insecure, possibly. Could it have possibly made Him that mad that He decided He didn't need the headache of dealing with the situation, or you? Sorry to put it that way, it's not meant to hurt. I have known many that have constant contact with an ex, and it causes problems, in any relationship. If there wasn't anyone else he (your ex) could get help from and your Master said it was okay, then that's fine. On the other hand, if your ex is calling you to help him all the time and you go running instead of asking if there is someone else that can, that could be a problem. In other words, you are the easiest and the most convienent person, and you run to oblige.
A lot of ex's use the reason of the children for their benefit. There are limits, just as there are other avenues. If they have been exhausted, that is different.
You see, your post gives us only a one time occurance of you helping your ex or your relationship with him. It makes your Master look really shallow to release you so easily with that being the only provication. Making accusations and without any discussion. If that is the case, then you need to move on, your better off.

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RE: cheating? - 7/21/2007 12:52:42 PM   
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<<<My Master thinks I cheated on him with my ex yesterday, but I so did not. I don't know why he is acting like this, he never has before. Now he says we will still talk, but he doesn't own me anymore. I need him. Any advice on what to do? >>>>
 
Umm, what to do about what exactly?
 
Most peoples advice is based on their life and how they believe they would act or want someone to act with them; as well as which part of your post touched them.
 
Personally, what 'touched' me was "he said he doesn't own me anymore". 
 
To me, this says the relationship, whatever it may be is over.  Being painful or unpleasant doesn't make this any less true.
 
For me, if I am in a relationship and I have done something that hurt you, we talk about what happened I'll listen and take to heart what you say and change my behavior.  Why because I love you and I don't want to hurt you. 
 
However, if our relationship has just ended, you refused to talk about the problem BEFORE you ended the relationship and now you want to TALK about how wrong I was or how much what I did hurt you, I don't have time and you have just become annoying background noise. 
 
Now if he isn't talking about THAT kind of talk, and is saying that the 2 of you can speak in friendship; can you have a true friendship with someone who doesn't trust you?  What kind of friendship and how fulfilling would it be?
 
And if he is talking about only talking as friends, isn't he setting you up to be in the same situation in the future?
 
You say, "I need him" and I ask what do you need him for companionship, friendship, lovers or D/s all relationships require a certain level of trust; do you still trust him enough to have any of those relationships with him?
 
My advice, take your post, copy it and add to the beginning Mom.  Now what would YOU say?
 
I am sorry for the pain this is causing you and I do hope things get better for you and yours.

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RE: cheating? - 7/22/2007 7:11:59 PM   
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I think once Trust is doubted there is no going back....


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