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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 6:53:06 PM   
thetammyjo


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Status: offline 		I personally only train those with good potential and only own those who have proven their great value.

Of course I also prove myself as worthy of the authority of mistress.

Anyone who sees himself/herself as worthless or inferior is unlikely to get more than a "thanks for sending me a note but I don't think our ideas of value for slaves is compatible" from me.

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:00:32 PM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		My boys are both very much my property and are both objectified.  They also know and knew from beforehand, that without much more depth to the relationship that they would not be with me long. The idea is hat as a kink and a temporary enjoyment, humiliation, debasement and objectification is wonderful.  Many submissives want to be brainless drones becasue they think that is what being a slave means, those who have the misguided idea that if they have any of their own opinions or desires they are less submissive are the ones that I believe your intitial obeservation is based on. Thre isa niche for them, but that sub behavior usually doesnt build long term relatons.
I have never had  aproblem finding excellent partners, and I am lucky ot have my 2 boys now, but I have run into many of the ones who you describe too.  To each their own, I say.

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:15:07 PM   
Invictus754


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quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Now that makes more sense, though I still wouldn't use the word inferior about it. To my knowledge, the defination of the word inferior implies worth, not status. 


You should look things up.  The first two meanings of inferior refer to status

from dictionary.com:
in·fe·ri·or      –adjective
1.lower in station, rank, degree, or grade (often fol. by to): a rank inferior to colonel.

2.lower in place or position; closer to the bottom or base: descending into the inferior regions of the earth.

3.of comparatively low grade; poor in quality; substandard: an inferior product.

4.less important, valuable, or worthy: B+ bonds are inferior to AAA bonds.

5.acting or performing in a way that is comparatively poor or mediocre: an inferior observer of human nature.

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:23:48 PM   
slavegirljoy


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So many slaves wish to be objectified, de-humanized and tortured. These things become tedious if there is no greater depth to the relationship. While our manner of interacting may at times be curt or to objectify, this is done with an understanding that ultimately we desire our slaves to be intelligent and conscious of themselves as individuals. Being a slave should not necessitate being inferior, only giving absolute control to another. Slaves have little value if they do not value themselves and bring their masters only as much honor as their level of personal excellence.
 
How fulfilling is it to dominate something pitiful?

 
my Master doesn't consider His slave to be pitiful.  In fact, when she tries to get some pity from Him, He doesn't give in to it.  He wouldn't have a slave who was pitiful.  He only finds it fulfilling to Dominate someone (not something) who He considers to be worthy of His Domination, someone who He finds to have quality and substance, not someone who is pathetic.  my Master wouldn't be interested  having me as His slave, if i didn't value myself and didn't bring qualities and assets into His life that He values, such as intelligent conversation, integrity, dutiful and devoted obedience, faithfulness, and a caring heart.
 
Master David and His slave have a relationship that is built on and sustained by a power structure that places Him at the helm and His slave at His side, at His feet, at His command.  The power structure that W/we live by doesn't, in any way, make His slave inferior to Him.
 
this slave isn't dehumanized by her Master.  He enjoys all of her human qualities, including her ability to feel pain and pleasure, her ability to cry and laugh, her ability to think and speak, and her ability to understand and learn. 
 
my Master is a sadist and He chose this slave to be His, in part, because she is a masochist.  When He uses torture on His slave, He is giving her what she craves and needs. 
 
my Master enjoys seeing His slave crawl to Him and beg Him to allow her to touch Him and give Him pleasure.  This isn't because He wants to see His slave feel shame or disgrace.  It's because this allows His slave to put aside her pride and vanity and show Him how much she respects and honors Him.  This is just one aspect of O/our relationship, which is multifaceted and has a great deal of depth to it.
 
quote:

It seems exceedingly difficult to find slaves of quality.
Does anyone else share this frustration?

 
It's a shame that you have been frustrated in your search for the quality of slave you desire.  There are many slaves of quality, intelligence, and value.  i wish you well in your search for one, if you are searching.
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:27:14 PM   
LadyHeart


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Status: offline 		I read heaps of profiles written in that way, but most of those I've met aren't like that at all in real life. Many inexperienced submissives write their profiles in that form because they are copying others, and think it's the done thing. Or it's a fantasy and they never follow through on it. I can actually recall only one submissive I've met in real life who played out a scene that way - and that was all it was - a scene. I suspect that sites like CollarMe are actually the cause of the perception that submissives think this way, where it's really "monkey see, monkey do."

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:34:54 PM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		Here is my take on it... for what it's worth.

The main problem i see with those that seek to be dehumanized, objectified and tortured as a way of life, that makes 'you' one dimensional.  If that is your only dimension... in my very humble opinion... the Master starts to see 'you' as such and 'you' (again my opinion only) become worthless to him and he begins to give the best of "Him" to someone he views more worthy.  i mean by that, that 'you' become just like a piece of furniture... take it or leave it... it is just 'there'.  i do not believe that there are any Masters that have such a slave would admit to it; however.

Again, (sorry but i have to for the masses), this is only my opinion.  i am not judging, just stating how i view it.



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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:41:52 PM   
domiguy


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Myth- I get where you're going, and generally agree with you.

You're really not talking about people with a kink or fetish for humiliation/objectification.  I think that's where the real issue here is.  You're talking about parasites. 

And parasites don't work in any relationship that requires a long term fulfilling commitment to everyone.


Perhaps you are right LA....Or...
quote:

darkmyth
So many slaves wish to be objectified, de-humanized and tortured. These things become tedious if there is no greater depth to the relationship. While our manner of interacting may at times be curt or to objectify, this is done with an understanding that ultimately we desire our slaves to be intelligent and conscious of themselves as individuals. Being a slave should not necessitate being inferior, only giving absolute control to another. Slaves have little value if they do not value themselves and bring their masters only as much honor as their level of personal excellence. How fulfilling is it to dominate something pitiful? It seems exceedingly difficult to find slaves of quality. Does anyone else share this frustration?

Or maybe the parasites realized that there might not be great depth in the guy dressed so cheesily in his finest "Lestat attire."  I think it again comes down to common sense...Why couldn't you spot someone who was so "pathetic" before you got involved with them?  Are you unable to determine intelligence?....Or are you under the belief that this attribute somehow magically manifests itself after a good pounding?

I imagine it sucks to be around a slave that is a pain drain....But at the same time it doesn't say much about your ability to detect such people before you would involve yourself in a "relationship."

There is always the thought that quality attracts quality.

< Message edited by domiguy -- 6/14/2007 7:44:17 PM >

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:43:48 PM   
marieToo


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Theres nothing wrong with those who wish to be objectified and tortured or those who wish to objectify and torture them. 

Lots of people get off on that stuff. 

This doesn't mean those involved feel as if they have no value.  I think such a generalization is really quite an unreasonable stretch.

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:48:47 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Invictus754

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Now that makes more sense, though I still wouldn't use the word inferior about it. To my knowledge, the defination of the word inferior implies worth, not status. 


You should look things up.  The first two meanings of inferior refer to status

from dictionary.com:
in·fe·ri·or      –adjective
1.lower in station, rank, degree, or grade (often fol. by to): a rank inferior to colonel.

2.lower in place or position; closer to the bottom or base: descending into the inferior regions of the earth.

3.of comparatively low grade; poor in quality; substandard: an inferior product.

4.less important, valuable, or worthy: B+ bonds are inferior to AAA bonds.

5.acting or performing in a way that is comparatively poor or mediocre: an inferior observer of human nature.


Cool. *Shrug* It's still not the word I would use due to it's vernacular associations with meaning number 4, at least not without clarification

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 7:59:19 PM   
crouchingtigress


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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 8:03:45 PM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		Normally, i would just not respond; however, since i said three times it was merely my opinion... i get to generalize.  And since i was less than clear, i was referring to those that live their lives 24/7 as nothing more than someone to be dehumanized, objectified and tortured.... i.e., no thoughts of their own, no voice of their own, etc. etc.  i was not referring to those that occassionally are dehumanized, objectified and tortured.  Hell on occassion i like that too. 

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 8:54:20 PM   
marieToo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic

Normally, i would just not respond; however, since i said three times it was merely my opinion... i get to generalize.  And since i was less than clear, i was referring to those that live their lives 24/7 as nothing more than someone to be dehumanized, objectified and tortured.... i.e., no thoughts of their own, no voice of their own, etc. etc.  i was not referring to those that occassionally are dehumanized, objectified and tortured.  Hell on occassion i like that too. 


Oh I understand.  But just so you know, my response was a fast reply".  I didnt mean for it to appear that I was singling you out. It was a response to the OP topic, tacked onto the last poster. :)

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 9:10:09 PM   
RealDom69


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Status: offline 		My wife plays with submisives, and never the sissy ones, she doesn't want a little puppy on a leash, she wants .. a rotweiler,   takes a bit of controlling and  is more of a challenge, .... also gives a feeling of safe and secure, a rotty is going to protect  his investment .. no body is going to disrespect my wife while her rotwieler is by her side....

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 9:47:33 PM   
WhiplashSmile


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Status: offline 		A slave is a reflection of the Master.  What's that about pitiful slaves again?

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 11:09:42 PM   
dawntreader


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quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

be the change you want to see in the world.


This is one of my favorite quotes and my mantra!
 
Since i am unowned and can't be considered a slave - i guess i am just a "woman of quality"

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/14/2007 11:36:03 PM   
ErusUxor


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Status: offline 		Interesting comment...from Politesub "The fact is you cant be a slave or a submissive and be equal, for equal indicates the no one is in charge of the other, that the two concerned are on an " equal " level."

When i look up the definition of equal I get this

equal - evenly proportioned or balanced

Seems to my way of thinking that you indeed can be in a power exchange relationship and be equal yet opposing sides on the same scale. Some people equate the word equal with "same".
If I wanted "same" then I would have a submissive partner. Would that make us equal? I think it would just make the scale pretty heavy on one side.

I can follow Master and my submission can be  "evenly proportioned and balanced" in response to  my Master  leading me  in an "evenly proportioned and balanced" way.

This way we become equal "but different"....

Just my take..... and my deconstruction of words and their various meanings.





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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/15/2007 12:27:32 AM   
WhiplashSmile


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Status: offline 		Damn, I thought all the Quality Slaves came from the Ukraine and Russia as mail order brides.

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/15/2007 1:07:47 AM   
CuriousLord


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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkmyth

Slaves have little value if they do not value themselves and bring their masters only as much honor as their level of personal excellence.


Little value? To who? You? Who are you to speak for everyone?

Why do you even assume everyone desires value?

quote:

ORIGINAL: darkmyth
How fulfilling is it to dominate something pitiful?


You're assuming that a Master necessarily wants to be fulfilled. Perhaps he just wants an easy lay and a good house servant?

Perhaps it is fulfilling for some? Perhaps this is exactly what they wanted?

quote:

ORIGINAL: darkmyth
It seems exceedingly difficult to find slaves of quality.


So many fish in the sea. So many different breeds and agendas. They're not all aspiring to the same thing- so you can't put "quality" on them unless you concede that this is quality with regards to your values.

quote:

ORIGINAL: darkmyth
Does anyone else share this frustration?


No, I do not, though perhaps some will. To be blunt with you, your frustration is borne of ignorance. Consider the rights of others to exist in manners you would not deem suitable to your own ends.



Edit: Typo'd a quote tag.

< Message edited by CuriousLord -- 6/15/2007 1:08:58 AM >

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/15/2007 4:22:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Equal but Different sounds fine. I guess its easy to get caught up on the exact meaning of one word.

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RE: Slaves of Quality - 6/15/2007 7:43:44 AM   
meticulousgirl


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ORIGINAL: AwakenedStar

when i first started out, i had doormat syndrome. i think it is an easy thing for a submissive to get confused about. that word, submissive, makes it seem that way to someone who doesn't have the experience themselves, or doesn't have a more experienced person to talk to about lifestyle stuff. slave is even worse, i see slaves all the time that think they have to give up jobs, hobbies and friends in order to serve...and yet i don't know any Doms/Dommes who would ask so much!



I honestly have to agree with Awakened.  Subs and Slaves who are new to the lifestyle tend to be confused about how to behaive, how to react, and how to take it all in but on the same side subs and slaves that have been practicing this lifestyle for numerous years can tend to be the same way but I'm not sure that I understand where the OP is coming from since everyone in this lifestyle shares different interests, and is searching for something different.  Two people can share common interests but they dont typically share everything and even if they did both partners would be on different levels at least in the mental aspect if that makes any sense to anyone else.

Four years later I'm still growing more and more everyday within this lifestyle.  My interests continue to grow but to help the OP understand where subs and slaves come from when I say that I like to be objectified degraded or humiliated (verbally or physically) it's because those things are what initiates my submissive behaivor.  In my daily work life my job is to maintain a very Dominant role and personality I mentally and physically need the degradation and humiliation in order to come down from that high, does that mean I'm not really a slave to the person that i serve?  No it just means that I need to be brought down back into my place.  I know it seems tedious, and if it's really that bad, and she wants degredation or humiliation in order to be brought down theres ways to do it without all the work on your end.

Make her strip down and give her some task to do on her hands and knees, have her clean the bathroom or kitchen floor naked with nipple clamps on with a toothbrush.  It doesn't have to be physical all the time, it's more at least for me the mental state.

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