GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/8/2005 1:01:13 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Tristan I think the reason this topic gets so much attention is the potential for abuse. Based on some of the responses in this and other posts, my thought is that there are two things happening. First, it seems that many money dommes are at least using some coercion demanding money in order to have or continue a relationship. From what I've read about the surplus of male submissives, it’s not hard to imagine why this type of coercion can be very effective. Second, my guess is that most dommes are not doing anything to make sure that their partner is in the position to leave the relationship in at least as good (emotionally, physically, and financially) position as they started. Maybe they do not see this as their responsibility, but to take control of a person’s life and not do everything you can to assure that he or she will be in at least as good of a position when leaving the relationship as when he or she entered is at least boarding on abuse. I think most people who respond negatively to money dommes are concerned about the potential for abuse. I don't think any of us are hearing money dommes discussing their responsibilities. Everyone uses the terms safe, sane, and consensual to justify their actions in the lifestyle. I agree that consensual is important, but it is equally important to make sure that your partner is better off with you than without you especially if the relationship comes to an end. To be in control of someone’s life without thinking of what’s in their best interest at best boarders on abuse. This is not a relationship where both people are in control making it that much more important that the person in control not do anything directly or indirectly to harm his or her parter. I absolutely agree with you, Tristan. And I take My responsibilities as a FemDom in the M/s relationship very seriously. The psychological, physical and emotional well being are very important, but the financial aspect also is part of My dynamic. And the potential for abuse is definitely there. I have heard some real horror stories in My day. Even recently. This is why it is important to take some time to get to know somebody. But I still maintain that, for My dynamic, it is not My responsibility to maintain a boy's lifestyle. he makes a choice that he wants something different, and perhaps he wants that something different with Me. If a boy decides he wants the latest and most expensive car, and then that car blows up, or he decides he really shouldn't have spent that money for a year, while he was going through his mid-life crisis, the dealer is not going to give him back his money back because he changed his mind. Probably not the best parallel I could draw, but the best I can do for the moment. A lot of things are taken into consideration in a contract, and the financial aspects are a very important part of that. Ya just can't have your cake and eat it too. quote:
ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika I respect other perspectives on this topic. But I personally would not feel more dominant if my partner handed over his paycheck. I would want him to have financial freedom and show me that he will make responsible decisions out of respect for our union. - LA I realize that LA looks for a different dynamic, and I also respect that. I would have to say that having a submissive or slave boy hand over his paycheck does not make Me feel more Dominant, but it does make the boy feel more submissive. I know who I am. This is another tool to ensure he learns his place in the relationship, and who he is or thinks he wants to be. That is an important part of My dynamic. And part of a boy's value is his income. I seek slave boys. I am not looking for a casual relationship. It is never My intention to leave a boy destitute, or blow through all of his hard earned savings. But, admittedly, there are some (okay, many) who have that agenda. I don't consider them to be lifestyle Dominas. It is interesting to Me that there is a thread going on right now in "off topic", I believe, where a sub girl is upset because her mother found about her lifestyle and has taken control of her because she is still living at home and going to college. Now I don't know if this girl also works and contributes to the household, but I am a bit old-fashiond when it comes to these things. Whether she works part time or not, she is living under her mother's roof, and her mother has the right to make the rules. This girl wants to see her Dom and keep her own schedule, and continue to let her mother support her with no input into her personal lifestyle. This could be akin to the boys who want to still go out with their friends on Friday night, and have a "fuck buddy" as was nicely put by ShiftedJewel. I view this as a very similar situation. She may not be choosing her living arrangement at this moment in time, but she does need to respect her position in the household and respect her mother or figure out another way to get what she wants. This is a simple financial issue. She is under her mother's thumb. If a boy chooses this lifestyle, then he has to realize that he is choosing. If he can find a Mistress who allows him to maintain those controls, that is great for him. I do deal with this issue every single day. The boys all want what they want, and they don't think they should ever have to pay for it. They say they want to be slaves, they want to be "owned" but they only want to be owned so much. That does not make a boy a slave, in My mind. I will give you a quick, from real life, example. I had a boy who came to Me and he had a car payment, a loan payment, a credit card payment, auto insurance and school tuition. This did not leave a whole lot left over from his paycheck. A few days after he moved in a family member died. I permitted him to use his credit card (raising the balance even more) to get a plane ticket and rent a car so he could go to the funeral. Now I was taking his paycheck, and I paid all his bills, as well as all the household bills with the incomes (Mine too!). I have a car payment and insurance every 6 months. So he had significantly more bills than I did. he was a good boy, so the finances were not a major concern to Me. But the control of that paycheck was a part of his submission. he couldn't handle it. Never once was a payment late, and in fact, his full tuition for the next semester was paid just a few days before he asked for release. This boy had a serious control issue concerning his money. It was his, and he wasn't giving a single thought to the house payment, utilities, groceries, et al. He had to have control of his paycheck and his money. he had signed a contract, but he broke it. he tried to re-negotiate, but this is a non-negotiable item for Me. In over a year, he has not been able to find a new Domina. he still writes to Me and says he wishes to serve, and if I ever need anything, yada, yada... So W/we all must be disciminating, and make the best decisions W/we can. Be careful what you say you want, and realize all it entails, because you just may get it! I am not expressing myself very well, this morning. Sorry 'bout that.
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