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AAkasha -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/9/2005 11:42:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold quote: ORIGINAL: silhouette Doesn’t anyone here feel that a Domme should herself be accomplished, smart, and successful in her own life before she can even try to control another’s? <snipped> The real question is why do the rest of us have to put up with their continual con games and nonsense? Like everyone else here, women have emailed me, tried to get money, begged for online store purchases, and asked for cash. Well, I laughed, and sent them to “seedy bars dressed skimpy in bad sections of town to meet.” God no wait, that is where you find them anyway (smile). I consider Myself accomplished and smart! 'Nuf said on that! What is the point of your real question? you don't have to put up with it. If you get an email like that, delete it, and block the sender if you so desire. If you see it in a profile, smile and move on to the next one. I delete plenty of emails every day. The boys aren't asking for money, but they are asking for much while offering little in return. ("here's my chat ID", "call me" with a # given for My convenience, "ur hot, can i have more pics?", "are you into this?" with attached photo of a naked cock and the balls nailed to a chair). I take it back...some boys are asking for money in the guise of assistance to move, travel to the USA or sponsorship for legal entry into the USA. (4 today!) I stated that in an earlier post on this very thread. I make it clear I don't do that either, but I still get the emails. And some emails are unbelievably insulting and smutty and could possibly equate to "email rape". (Did I just coin a new phrase? S) I didn't consent to receive all sorts of filth in My mailbox. That's just the way it goes. I just hit delete. I am pretty sure you have the same ability. So true. There are things that are "annoying" to everyone. Luckily, most are pretty easy to deal with --- ignore them. Sometimes I read a post and have to blink a few times and think -- wait a minute, you're complaining about what you get on a FREE web site? HELLO? Akasha

DublinSwitch -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/10/2005 2:51:19 AM)
Well my tuppence on a topic that has been exhaustively discussed already... Its a legitimate kink - fair enough, but I suspect that many of the profiles offering it are anyhting but legitimate. Caveat Emptor (hope I spelled that correctly), buyer beware. What does kind of bug me is that, as alreadyt noted, this is a free site. I do consider it akin to spam, and I do think that 'professional' ads posted here should contribute towards the site in the form of a payment. These are not profiles, they are ads. And to kind of stir the pot and go slightly off-topic, the other peeve I have is the amount of ladies on this site looking for another lady for their Master. I have no doubt that some of them are genuine, but I also think that a lot of them are absolutely spurious and are looking to sucker women into making contact with some odd-ball. Having said that - I have received a blatant scam mail via this site, and mailed it to an op. Within 24 hours the senders profile had been removed. So not only is the ignore option available but my experience is that op's are wide awake and willing to take action. However back to my original point - these are ads not profiles, and I really think that those people should be required to make a payment to the site for posting these ads. Cheers DS

ProtagonistLily -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/10/2005 7:24:28 AM)
quote: To each their own but i'm having trouble understanding why any fool, sub male or otherwise would have any interest in this sort of arrangement. i've viewed more than a few profiles that blatantly advertise for "money sluts", etc. WTFO? i can understand in the context of a long term relationship how a sub would give all to his Domme, including control over all financial aspects of the relationship but to respond to an add that more or less says "send me your money" now that's just a little past my ability to comprehend. (i'll say it before someone else does, there's probably a lot beyond my comprehension around these parts - Ha i realize that i don't have much experience in the lifestyle and i'm not trying to be judgemental, just curious if there really are subs like that out there. One of my best friends in Kink is a Pro Domme who is nationally known. She and I were discussing this topic just last night on the phone and she had some interesting things to say about it, as she's not interested in being the financial dominant in the way many of these submissives wish she would, i.e. taking total control of their finances. She is as puzzled by this as many of us are. But what she so wisely understands is that there is a fetish behind the 'money slave' mentality. What she does is try to figure out what that core fetish is; is it the humiliation factor, the need to feel like a little boy, the need to hide things from a wife, etc. Once she identifies the reason why someone would crave financial domination, she works with them on the core fetish, rather than allowing it to manifest itself through 'financial domination'. Lily

dommemagnet -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/10/2005 8:17:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily quote: To each their own but i'm having trouble understanding why any fool, sub male or otherwise would have any interest in this sort of arrangement. i've viewed more than a few profiles that blatantly advertise for "money sluts", etc. WTFO? i can understand in the context of a long term relationship how a sub would give all to his Domme, including control over all financial aspects of the relationship but to respond to an add that more or less says "send me your money" now that's just a little past my ability to comprehend. (i'll say it before someone else does, there's probably a lot beyond my comprehension around these parts - Ha i realize that i don't have much experience in the lifestyle and i'm not trying to be judgemental, just curious if there really are subs like that out there. One of my best friends in Kink is a Pro Domme who is nationally known. She and I were discussing this topic just last night on the phone and she had some interesting things to say about it, as she's not interested in being the financial dominant in the way many of these submissives wish she would, i.e. taking total control of their finances. She is as puzzled by this as many of us are. But what she so wisely understands is that there is a fetish behind the 'money slave' mentality. What she does is try to figure out what that core fetish is; is it the humiliation factor, the need to feel like a little boy, the need to hide things from a wife, etc. Once she identifies the reason why someone would crave financial domination, she works with them on the core fetish, rather than allowing it to manifest itself through 'financial domination'. Lily She sounds absolutely brilliant to me. Thanks again for all the input on the topic. Just saw a new "send me the money" add yesterday. i've been quite impressed by almost all the Dommes that have opined on this topic. Are You all possibly missing Your true calling as psycho-analysts? i believe there's some latent talent there.

AlphaGeek -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/10/2005 9:37:02 AM)
Financial domination? I'll withhold my personal opinion as to whether this... umm... fetish... is legitimate or not. I will express my utter loathing for those people that bring their financial ventures here to collarme.com which is intended to be more of a personals site than a free advertising venue for those money grubbing..oops... I mean those seeling "tribute". For gods sake, "money dommes" show a little couth and pony up some advertising dollars if you're gonna waste our bandwidth! AG

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/10/2005 1:27:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dommemagnet i've been quite impressed by almost all the Dommes that have opined on this topic. Are You all possibly missing Your true calling as psycho-analysts? i believe there's some latent talent there. Actually, I would venture to say that most lifestyle Dominas do have an innate sense of the psychology of Dominance and submission. It is something I am sure many of Us use automatically in Our daily lives. Some have studied psychology, formally, others have read alot, and experienced alot, so We have the ability to apply the necessary psychological concept to a relationship. It is like breathing to Me. It happens automatically. So I am not surprised that you picked up on that! S

AAkasha -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/10/2005 1:44:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold quote: ORIGINAL: dommemagnet i've been quite impressed by almost all the Dommes that have opined on this topic. Are You all possibly missing Your true calling as psycho-analysts? i believe there's some latent talent there. Actually, I would venture to say that most lifestyle Dominas do have an innate sense of the psychology of Dominance and submission. It is something I am sure many of Us use automatically in Our daily lives. Some have studied psychology, formally, others have read alot, and experienced alot, so We have the ability to apply the necessary psychological concept to a relationship. It is like breathing to Me. It happens automatically. So I am not surprised that you picked up on that! S A lot of us have also had to deal with submissives who have these desires for financial domination/exploitation/blackmail. We've had to addresss our own limits regarding ethics and morality, and tried to understand really what this submissive needed, and what the boundaries were and how it could be done in a way that wasn't harmful. When I did phone domination regularly, there were several men that called wanting blackmail/financial domination, and it simply was not something I could do, or felt comfortable doing. I couldn't help but think how horribly this man could be taken advantage of -- yet, some of them clearly did know what they were doing, and to what level they would allow themselves to be taken advantage of. They just wanted that limit pushed, and to feel the rush of real fear and helplessness. One sub used to email me incriminating photos of himself then call me and ask me to blackmail him and threaten to give them to his co-workers. I was mortified! I could, in a sense, get off on the real fear in his voice, but for me to threaten or suggest that I would do something to ruin his life was beyond my capabilities. He still kept calling me though, and I just kept deleting the pictures and saying stop. Yet, I see some femdoms gladly post these blackmail pictures on their sites and extort money from the men to take them down. Where does the line get drawn? I think in a relationship it is much easier to explore these types of fetishes where you can have layers of trust in place. But when dealing with a total stranger, it's just not that easy. Akasha

MissMarmaladolly -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 5:14:57 AM)
I hate to break it to some people...but maybe people are just using the fair facade of a dominatrix to milk you of your cash, and derive no sexual pleasure from your gifts; it's an alluring and beautiful con, yes, but note how they have little to do with you and just manipulate you. Perhaps you fancy that, though -- but think of the financial state you might be descending into and how the pleasure is not two-sided, save for that girl to stride in her new $75 pumps.

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 10:15:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMarmaladolly I hate to break it to some people...but maybe people are just using the fair facade of a dominatrix to milk you of your cash, and derive no sexual pleasure from your gifts; it's an alluring and beautiful con, yes, but note how they have little to do with you and just manipulate you. Perhaps you fancy that, though -- but think of the financial state you might be descending into and how the pleasure is not two-sided, save for that girl to stride in her new $75 pumps. And this is different from doms who use the fair facade of dominance to get easy blow jobs and cooking? There are dorks out there, you have been warned. Now go out and enjoy your kinks.

MissMarmaladolly -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 10:56:05 AM)
This is a bit different; in most cases, females make communities where people just flood her PayPal account with money, and there's no way she can keep up with them; perhaps this notion excites people to be belitted, I don't know.

FerDeLance -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 11:21:11 AM)
I am sure there are a few honest pro-dommes here, but how can you find them amongst all the prostitutes, con and scam artists? Most women here ask for an honest and sincere, gentle, loving, and caring man, yet these are the men that they pro-dommes abuse. After just one experience, do you think those men will trust the real thing? You should protect those men ladies, protect them from the cheats and con women, so that they are available to that woman who truly needs an honest man. How hard is it, talk to a pro-domme, tell her you hit the lottery yesterday, cash, all cash, agree to meet, make her drive 300 miles and stiff her. How many times would it take. This is a great place, a great community, spirited, fun and full of real opportunity for kinky D/s contact. Don't let it fail. Do something, don't talk something.

Oumae -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 12:30:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FerDeLance I am sure there are a few honest pro-dommes here, but how can you find them amongst all the prostitutes, con and scam artists? Most women here ask for an honest and sincere, gentle, loving, and caring man, yet these are the men that they pro-dommes abuse. After just one experience, do you think those men will trust the real thing? You should protect those men ladies, protect them from the cheats and con women, so that they are available to that woman who truly needs an honest man. How hard is it, talk to a pro-domme, tell her you hit the lottery yesterday, cash, all cash, agree to meet, make her drive 300 miles and stiff her. How many times would it take. This is a great place, a great community, spirited, fun and full of real opportunity for kinky D/s contact. Don't let it fail. Do something, don't talk something. Why do you call on the ladies to "protect those men"? Surely it is supply on demand... the people demanding tributes wouldnt do it if they didnt get them. If a sub doesnt want to pay tribute on demand can't they look for the many who don't demand tributes? Oumae

Tristan -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 1:28:48 PM)
Oumae, I think what FerDeLance is saying is that shouldn't we give everyone who is being or may be exploited support and information to learn and prevent exploitation. That advice should not only include stay away from what ever, but also should help a person better understand why he or she got into an abusive situation in the first place. I've noticed that few people use the supply and demand advice for submissive women in abusive relationships, but it's quite commonly used for submissive men in abusive relationships. Why such a big difference in response? Is there really a difference between a woman who stays with an abusive jerk than a man who is exploited by a so called domme? There are probably more similarities than differences. Our difference in responses may tell us something about our own biases. Tristan

AAkasha -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 2:11:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristan Oumae, I think what FerDeLance is saying is that shouldn't we give everyone who is being or may be exploited support and information to learn and prevent exploitation. That advice should not only include stay away from what ever, but also should help a person better understand why he or she got into an abusive situation in the first place. I've noticed that few people use the supply and demand advice for submissive women in abusive relationships, but it's quite commonly used for submissive men in abusive relationships. Why such a big difference in response? Is there really a difference between a woman who stays with an abusive jerk than a man who is exploited by a so called domme? There are probably more similarities than differences. Our difference in responses may tell us something about our own biases. Tristan The biggest complaint I keep seeing is about "money dommes" who require a "tribute" for them to even write to a sub -- ie, through paypal or whatever. My first question is, what subs actually do this? Do they believe this will get them something? Are they not hesitant to send money to a (potential "supposedly") partner, without even knowing anything about her? Because, the first step for sub-safety, simply ignore the "tribute" femdoms -- that eliminates a majority of potential scams right out of the gate. The reason there are a lot of these women is because it is quick and requires little or no effort. A femdom is less likely to string you along through communication and then scam you for money, unless she's looking for a big cash in, right? You'll eliminate more of those by continuing the communication process (email and phone) to weed out the ones that want the "lower hanging fruit", so to speak. Why not use this logic: Would you even desire a potential partner who felt she legitimately (just for argument's sake) needed a man to send a "tribute" to prove he is "serious"? Akasha

Oumae -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 3:32:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristan Oumae, I think what FerDeLance is saying is that shouldn't we give everyone who is being or may be exploited support and information to learn and prevent exploitation. That advice should not only include stay away from what ever, but also should help a person better understand why he or she got into an abusive situation in the first place. I think by participating in boards such as this many do give support and information for others to learn from.... also being an open board they get all views from different angles. As adults it is up to them to read and ask questions etc and to use their own common sense. quote: ORIGINAL: Tristan I've noticed that few people use the supply and demand advice for submissive women in abusive relationships, but it's quite commonly used for submissive men in abusive relationships. Why such a big difference in response? Is there really a difference between a woman who stays with an abusive jerk than a man who is exploited by a so called domme? There are probably more similarities than differences. Our difference in responses may tell us something about our own biases. Tristan I can't speak for what you've found in your travels but here the "supply and demand" was used by me in the context of Dommes who openly advertise that they expect tributes before communication... If it is up front and openly demanded then someone giving in to it is consenting in my view. Yes, there is abuse of both female and male subs, there is abuse of males and females outside of bdsm too... its not good but we dont live in a perfect world, we can reach out to help people but they have to want to help themselves. Sometimes what one might see as abuse another might not. Oumae

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/12/2005 4:24:15 PM)
Calling all prostitutes as exploiting liars is like calling all physicians the same. A prostitute is a profession like any other, let's not confuse it with a personality or character type.

Authentic -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/13/2005 10:28:00 AM)
Just today I received this letter, check it out: "Thank you for your e-mail and interest in me. I have gotten so many responses it has been hard to pick people I really think are a good fit for what I am looking for. I have decided to have a little contest. There is a huge play party down in the Caribbean this November. The deadline for entrance is the beginning of July. I will be going to this. I want to find some one to take with me to be my slave, sub, slut, sissy boy for the week I am there. If I pick you I will fly you to the party from Orlando, pay for your room and board while we are there, and fly you back. All you have to do are three little things. The cost of this is around $2,000.00. This is what you have to do to be considered. 1) Type me a 500 word letter. Tell me why I should pick you and why you think we will have a good time. Tell me your fetishes, limits and wants. It can be handwritten only if I can read your writing. If I can’t read it I will toss it away. 2) Send a clean, clear and recent picture of you. 3) Send $100.00 cash or money orders. No checks. Please see the link below and check out the events." I removed the name and address she sent to me. Honestly, what a scam. Well planned, well thought out, she will catch a lot of naive men. You know the nice honest pure kind, and ruin them for ever. This disgusts me. oh and prostitutes disgust me also. They are responsible for so much of the AIDS epidemic, calling them liars is kind, they are far worse.

kc692 -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/13/2005 12:35:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Authentic Just today I received this letter, check it out: "Thank you for your e-mail and interest in me. I have gotten so many responses it has been hard to pick people I really think are a good fit for what I am looking for. I have decided to have a little contest. There is a huge play party down in the Caribbean this November. The deadline for entrance is the beginning of July. I will be going to this. I want to find some one to take with me to be my slave, sub, slut, sissy boy for the week I am there. If I pick you I will fly you to the party from Orlando, pay for your room and board while we are there, and fly you back. All you have to do are three little things. The cost of this is around $2,000.00. This is what you have to do to be considered. 1) Type me a 500 word letter. Tell me why I should pick you and why you think we will have a good time. Tell me your fetishes, limits and wants. It can be handwritten only if I can read your writing. If I can’t read it I will toss it away. 2) Send a clean, clear and recent picture of you. 3) Send $100.00 cash or money orders. No checks. Please see the link below and check out the events." I removed the name and address she sent to me, ostensively for the money I guess. Honestly, what a scam. Well planned, well thought out, she will catch a lot of naive men. You know the nice honest pure kind, and ruin them for ever. This disgusts me. oh and prostitutes disgust me also. They are responsible for so much of the AIDS epidemic, calling them liars is kind, they are far worse. May I ask why a dominant received this email from another dominant? Was she responding to an email you sent? Did you click the delete button?

terah -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/13/2005 12:39:52 PM)
There are no free rides in life. I don't think there are truly money slave but people who aren't mouches.

Authentic -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/13/2005 1:38:08 PM)
Why was it sent to me, just an error on her/his part is my guess. I hesitate to even say it is a woman since it is more likely just a plain money scam. A very pricey scam at that! I have received many scam letters, but this is by and far the best. A contest to see who is the most stupid, how novel an idea. I really feel that cheating or scaming people out of money here is a crime. It is not harmless, and certianly does not satisfy the one being cheated. I do not feel that the typical married man who wants a Dominant mistress is wrong to pay for her lifestyle, if he has the money to do so and is willing, that is his business not mine. But that is rare here, mostly its just plain fraud.

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