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ProfJoe -> RE: Contracts... how important are they to a M/s relationship (6/17/2007 4:27:39 PM)

Okay, so "contract" is the wrong word for what is, after all, an agreement based on the negotiations between two.

When I started with my current girl (think "consideration") we had paper and very specific language; it wasn't final but it was a guide to training for her, and of my expectations for her, as well as some promises re: what she could expect and what I would not do. It was five pages!

We reviewed it every three months and made changes -- it was an agreement that was an excuse to communicate. They were two pages!

This coming week we're going to make our relationship permanent; as much as "training" can be complete, hers is done, at least until something changes to make new work necessary; we now have come up with a paragraph each, explaining in words we understand with one another, what promises we are making.

We plan to revise it every six months, if either is interested in discussing it; if not, then we'll go a year.

The point, for me, is that people change and our needs change. That changes the relationship, every day in some small, minute way. In time, the changes become something that should be noticed in a conversation. If nothing else, the structure I've imposed makes it so there is less chance we'll over look important things that might get in the way of our growth.

We both take what we say (and have written down) seriously so for us it really is a contract. Sure, it would get us thrown out of court and perhaps into jail. Nonetheless, it is what we've agreed.

Hope this helps.
Respectfully, Prof. Joe 




MzMia -> RE: Contracts... how important are they to a M/s relationship (6/17/2007 4:31:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ProfJoe

Okay, so "contract" is the wrong word for what is, after all, an agreement based on the negotiations between two.

When I started with my current girl (think "consideration") we had paper and very specific language; it wasn't final but it was a guide to training for her, and of my expectations for her, as well as some promises re: what she could expect and what I would not do. It was five pages!

We reviewed it every three months and made changes -- it was an agreement that was an excuse to communicate. They were two pages!

This coming week we're going to make our relationship permanent; as much as "training" can be complete, hers is done, at least until something changes to make new work necessary; we now have come up with a paragraph each, explaining in words we understand with one another, what promises we are making.

We plan to revise it every six months, if either is interested in discussing it; if not, then we'll go a year.

The point, for me, is that people change and our needs change. That changes the relationship, every day in some small, minute way. In time, the changes become something that should be noticed in a conversation. If nothing else, the structure I've imposed makes it so there is less chance we'll over look important things that might get in the way of our growth.

We both take what we say (and have written down) seriously so for us it really is a contract. Sure, it would get us thrown out of court and perhaps into jail. Nonetheless, it is what we've agreed.

Hope this helps.
Respectfully, Prof. Joe 


Thank you for better explaining what I meant about writing down "expectations".
Too many here are narrow minded thinkers, to me it has nothing to do with reinforcing it legally.
It is a set of agreed expectations, needs and guidelines that you both have agreed too.
If it is not for you? Don't do it, but I love the idea and look forward to doing it.[:D]




Focus50 -> RE: Contracts... how important are they to a M/s relationship (6/17/2007 5:25:06 PM)

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Just curious, but how important are contracts to a consensual M/s relationship. Are they necessary or just a good idea?

Formal contracts have no place in my D/s relationships at all.  My BDSM is done at a personal and intimate relationship level, which means I wouldn't do anything to genuinely hurt or otherwise disrespect my girl.  And I prefer to cultivate an atmosphere that enables her to approach me if she is having a problem with something, even assuming I haven't already noticed....
 
Focus.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Contracts... how important are they to a M/s relationship (6/17/2007 8:27:20 PM)

They're worth as much as you put value on them...kinda like the sweater your Grandma bought you last christmas. If you love sweaters and your Grandma, it means a great deal...if not, it doesn't.

I like contracts because I like things clearly stated. My girl and I have a 70+ page contract...because it outlines what I expect in the relationship as well as what I have to give. There's very little protocol and most of it talks about things like intergrity and honesty, which are usually assumed to be in existance, but I wanted my expectations of and about such things clear.

The good thing about contracts? Your slave know exactly what to expect. The bad thing about contracts? Your slaves then expect it.

Master Fire




Stephann -> RE: Contracts... how important are they to a M/s relationship (6/17/2007 9:04:28 PM)

I've said this in the past.  Communication is important in all relationships.  Contracts are a form of communication.  A contract is not required for a healthy D/s relationship, but many people find them helpful and useful communication tools.  Your milage will vary. 

My contract comes in the form of a band of steel, wrapped around a girls throat.  Her renegotiation is to beg me to take it off, or to find someone with bolt cutters.  Beyond that, if she wants to sleep on the other side of the bed, be flogged at 7:46pm every third tuesday, or decides she hates canes, she would know she can just ask.  I enjoy ritual, but I find contracts to smack too strongly of the slave asserting 'rights' for my taste.

Stephan




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