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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/4/2005 7:01:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cheekybottom

I don’t believe this has anything to do with submissiveness, simply put this is human behavior.

Submissiveness is something spiritual what you’ve outlined is caustic and shadows the unfurling beauty of submission in all it’s patterned splendor.

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Edited to add: This is not a reply to SteelBondager but to the OP, how does one just simply reply without adding another’s name, I’m more than capable of doing so manually.



Up at the top right of whatever post on the thread you want to respond to, (for example, this one) if you want to put their writings before yours, (as this one) click quote, then type after the last quote command on the page. If you want to reply to to certain one, click reply instead , and after you have typed you reply, click, ok, and the thread reply to line will automatically revert to the poster you want to list. You can also, click preview to see you post before it actually posts, and can correct it without posting it first.

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/4/2005 7:14:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kc692


quote:

ORIGINAL: cheekybottom

I don’t believe this has anything to do with submissiveness, simply put this is human behavior.

Submissiveness is something spiritual what you’ve outlined is caustic and shadows the unfurling beauty of submission in all it’s patterned splendor.

~d~

Edited to add: This is not a reply to SteelBondager but to the OP, how does one just simply reply without adding another’s name, I’m more than capable of doing so manually.



Up at the top right of whatever post on the thread you want to respond to, (for example, this one) if you want to put their writings before yours, (as this one) click quote, then type after the last quote command on the page. If you want to reply to to certain one, click reply instead , and after you have typed you reply, click, ok, and the thread reply to line will automatically revert to the poster you want to list. You can also, click preview to see you post before it actually posts, and can correct it without posting it first.



Smiles, thanks I got that but what of the bottom left where it says post reply and fast reply? That is what I'm pressing... ~d~


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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/4/2005 8:14:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: onceburned
Welcome to Collarme, Strikingamatch. You seem to be an articulate and reasonably together fellow, so I hope you will stick around despite the largely negative reactions your post seems to be generating. We are an opinionated bunch, but friendly too, once you get to know us.

Yeah but why don't you tell us how you feel about his post Chris?? M


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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/4/2005 8:20:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

I'm not surprised the perfect relationship is eluding you. When you approach a human relationship as a chance to psychoanalyze someone, people tend to shy away from you.
Also, your view of what makes a woman who she is, seems rather superficial and misogynistic. You are trivializing submissives, submission and women in general. That is very unattractive.

I love it that someone can say what I'm thinking in such a clear way! M

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/4/2005 8:58:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Yeah but why don't you tell us how you feel about his post Chris??


I think presenting a large theory is a risky way to introduce yourself to a discussion forum.

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/4/2005 9:18:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress
I'm not surprised the perfect relationship is eluding you. When you approach a human relationship as a chance to psychoanalyze someone, people tend to shy away from you.

Exactly, you gotta get in the relationship with them first and THEN psychoanalyze them :)

For what its worth, ditto to what Perverse said.

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/4/2005 9:28:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Yeah but why don't you tell us how you feel about his post Chris??

I think presenting a large theory is a risky way to introduce yourself to a discussion forum.

Good dodging boy! M

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 6:53:07 AM   
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Interesting post...I'd like to see your classifications for Doms.

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 7:35:03 AM   
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Specifically, whether or not it is possible to classify submissives in this manner and further whether this series of classifications is correct.


Striking Match,
If you truly want to succeed in your search start by analyzing and classifying yourself. Analyzing others will make you attempt to adapt yourself to fit the goal of others. As a result you won't be you, you won't be consistent. First and foremost, as a Dom, you MUST be consistent to you. To do so, you must know what YOU are and "classify" yourself not others.

It's not a fun task. When categorizing others you can, as you have, rationalize your failure to connect by their shortcoming. Projecting those analytical skills on yourself generates the same results. It's not enjoyable to go through the process, especially if you are as honest as you must be for it to be meaningful; but the end result is empowering.

Time better spent would be evaluating yourself and your needs. The resulting projected confidence will be apparent, and you won't need to try to classify others to determine why you weren't successful in having a relationship with them.


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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 8:56:54 AM   
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Class 1:
A pain slut. This woman is not a submissive at all, but simply enjoys sensation play.


I disagree totally with this. Just because a person enjoys and craves the "high" that pain brings, does not mean that they are not submissive.


True.

However being a bottom does not make one a submissive either.

There are masochists who don't resonate with D/s at all. There are even dominant masochists.

The OPs attempt to classify was doomed to become an oversimplification, of course, but I'm a bit concerned that it came out such a negative oversimplification.

-R

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 11:47:21 AM   
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You know its almost demeaning that there is no consideration to male submissives.

I'm almost sick of the lack of validity to male subs/slaves. Its as if the world refuses to recognize us.

Or mabey I'm just pecimistic.

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 11:52:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy
I'm almost sick of the lack of validity to male subs/slaves. Its as if the world refuses to recognize us.

Come on KarbonCopy, do you really want to be recognized among those descriptions?? This may be the one time it's okay to be omitted.. M

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 12:12:35 PM   
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Smiles, thanks I got that but what of the bottom left where it says post reply and fast reply? That is what I'm pressing... ~d~

Hi ~d~,

Well now, sissy is no authority on this, but he believes that your probem is that you are posting while in FLAT STYLE. You EITHER need to only ever use the the "Reply" button in the top right hand corner of the window of the post you want to respond to (that will guarantee that your post will appear against the one it was targeted for) OR only post once you are in TREE STYLE.

In TREE STYLE, only one post appears on your screen at a time. Whichever option you use to make your own post (viz., the "Fast Reply" or "Post Reply" buttons over on the left hand side of the screen, or the "Reply" option in the upper right hand corner of the actual displayed post) your post will appear directly under that displayed post as a reply to it.

In FLAT STYLE, a whole bunch of posts appear on your screen (up to 20 per page - although that might be a configurable option) and so it is impossible to tell which post you are responding to when using the "Fast Reply" and "Post Reply" buttons ... the only definitive method for determining that is the "Reply" option in the upper right hand corner of the actual post to which you wish to respond). sissy Isn't totally certain about this, but he believes that if you use the "Fast Reply" button in FLAT STYLE it will normally DEFAULT to posting your own post against the OP, while if you use the "Post Reply" button in FLAT STYLE it will normally DEFAULT to posting your own post against the last posted post (which might be one you haven't even read if it was posted while you were creating your own post).

So stick to either posting ONLY in TREE STYLE or ONLY use the "Reply" option. Personally, sissy does both. sissy Has never played around enough with the post buttons to determine exactly what using the "Fast Reply" button buys you over using the "Post Reply" button so he is not even sure why there are those two options. If any anyone reading this knows please post and let sissy know.

IsHO, the "Fast Reply" and "Post Reply" buttons should be disabled in FLAT STYLE and all this confusion could be avoided. You also need to configure your profile correctly. Under "My Profile" at the very top right hand corner of the message board screen (where the "Search" and "Log In/Out" options are located) there are three viewing preferences listed:

- Tree Style
- Flat Style
- Simplified Flat Style

Select the "Tree Style" option as your default. For all intents and purposes the "Simplified Flat Style" and "Flat Syle" options are exactly the same except with the former you lose all that member information and avatars down the left hand side of posts whenever you view in "Flat Style" mode. But both "flat styles" work the same way WRT where your post will appear when using the post buttons as documented above. Hope this helped. BTW, you can work these things out for yourself by going to the "Test Area" forum and playing around with the different configuration options and posting methods.

Oh, one last point. The decision of where to post (i.e., which post you want to post against) must be made BEFORE any "Reply to Message" window is displayed. You can edit and re-edit your own post text as much as you want using any of the three methods discussed above but there is NO way of redirecting that post somewhere else (e.g., you originally wanted to post against some specific post, but in composing your message you decide your post better belongs under the OP instead) once you have started composing it. To do that, you need to copy (or cut) your text input so far and cancel out of creating your new post. Then start the process over in a manner that determines the new location for your post (e.g., against a different user or just under the OP) and once you get a new "Reply to Message" window, paste your saved half-composed text from before into it and continue with your edit.

Respectfrilly yours,

sissy maid lola





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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 12:42:28 PM   
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i've seen this list (or something similar) a number of times on the net, along with the 7 levels of submission (which i actually think have a lot of merit), and 113, 25 (ad nausum) contract rules for a sub/slave, and the submissive/dominant creeds. The one thing i've always found interesting is that with the exception of the creed, there's very darn little written about levels of domination or the Dom(me)/Master-Mistress. While i have no idea who comes up with most of these lists, i'd love to find out who writes them -- male, fem, top, sub, etc. i have my suspicions..lol. i think most of these lists are mainly generated by people on-line who either have nothing better to do with their time, or who are so consumed by what they think is the livestyle, they don't have much real-live grounding. imho, it's way too easy to sort, label and pigeon-hole people, instead of taking the time to get to know someone as an individual with all their flaws, faults and virtues.

Happy Sunday y'all...

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 5:06:42 PM   
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i've seen this list (or something similar) a number of times on the net, along with the 7 levels of submission (which i actually think have a lot of merit),


If you mean 9 levels of submission, here are three threads on it:

9 levels of submission

9 levels of submission

9 levels of submission?

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 7:06:37 PM   
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This is not an absolute waste of time to read. My thoughts envolve asking "Does one really need a reason for there actions?" As well as "Does everyone have to be in a catagory?"

Why can't we be who we are with the "Just becasue" and the "That's the way I like it" You make it sound like we all have to have some type of special sircumstance or abnormal up bringing to do the things we do today.

Instead of titleing this "The Seven Classes" I think it should be refrased to "Seven Possible Reasons for Submission"

It's true that I have meet these 7 types but I've also meet other types of submissives. I have meet thoughs who did not need a reason or have a past experience leading to it.

So you're a dom? Well what type of a dom are you? What makes you a dom? Are there also Classes for doms? If so I can't wait to read them and see if I fall into catagory or not.

Continue to post as you don't seem to be an idiot in my book

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 7:47:22 PM   
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Oh, please. Don't make it so complicated.

Some women just like to be tied up and forced to do things because they get intense orgasms that way.


I laughed out loud. Thanks Menlo Park.

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 7:50:31 PM   
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So you're a dom? Well what type of a dom are you? What makes you a dom? Are there also Classes for doms? If so I can't wait to read them and see if I fall into catagory or not.


Or, "What I've Learned So Far: A Dominant Seeks to Understand The Other Side". Great title for a column, don't you think?

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/5/2005 10:39:54 PM   
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Hi strikingamatch, i'll add my welcome too! And doesn't it seem like the quickest way to start an argument with people in "the lifestyle" is to say "There are only x types of y, and here they are..."? Well, you seem to have started another one! Everyone here seems to start one, sooner or later. And i guess i too think there are more than just x types of y running around, there might even be as many kinds of x as there are y, but i have encountered all those seven types you mentioned. They do seem to be some of the stereotypical types of submissives, or maybe a better way to say it would be types of submission. In myself, for example, i recognize quite a bit of 1, a little bit of 3, and a hell of a lot of 7, plus lots of other reasons why and ways in which i submit, some of which might be just as important or much more so. But i agree that a dom needs to understand how and why his sub is submitting if he wants to get the best results out of her with the least effort, or maybe even to decide they're not a good match. So the more theories the better, everyone needs to test every theory against their own experience anyway; it's the experience you have to live with, not the theory.

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RE: The Seven Classes of Submissives - 6/6/2005 1:02:20 AM   
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Thank you to all those who responded.

My basic premise when writing this essay was, that there is a reason for submissives being the way they are. I cannot accept, that nature would encode a person with a need for pain or humiliation. That being the case, I think it is correct and even required for a dom to understand his submissive. If we desire to live our life in a manner that is best for us and for those we love, it is imperative we understand what it is we are doing.

I am aware that by classifying people, you reduce human complexities to a simplistic and thus objectionable level. That being the case perhaps it would be more constructive to view this list not as a series of definitions, but rather providing a list of motivators, why people seek what they do.

Several members have noted that most of the list seems to be comprised of negative attributes or experiences. To that I respond, that I am merely an observer and it would be easy enough to read through posts and profiles and bring written evidence of these traits. As for example http://www.collarchat.com/Parents_influence/m_103282/tm.htm

Several submissives have claimed that they do not fit a single profile on the list, my question to them is, do they see their orientation as being inborn, much the same way as other people require love and approval, or do they have a different motivator that does not appear on the list?

Finally, as to a similar list for doms. I have tried several times to come up with such a list with no success. Perhaps, because I see myself as a dom, I cannot be an objective bystander and record my findings. One question, that tortures my psyche and that I find unable to resolve is, Why do I enjoy hurting those I love? Perhaps when I answer that question I will better be able to understand why a dom is a dom.

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