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RE: is APE possible? - 6/18/2007 7:32:06 PM

annare

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APE or Absolute Power Exchange (aka Total Power Exchange) is defined by Answers.com as:

     ...a relationship where the Dominant has complete authority and influence over the submissive's life, making the majority of decisions. TPE(APE) is occasionally referred to as 24/7, denoting that protocol in the D/s relationship is in play anytime, anyplace and the Dominant partner gets complete power at all times of the day, though most consider these terms to have somewhat different definitions. More frequently, TPE(APE) is used interchangeably with the state of being a slave.

     i suppose i consider APE a goal to strive for in the lifestyle. While i would like to say that i believe there will be a time where i will achieve "super slave" status and somehow be able to respond without question to my Master's every want or need, i realize that a lifetime of conditioning as an "independant woman" has left me with some undesireable traits (in the lifestyle world). The time will come when i will be asked to do things that make me uncomfortable... things that may even gross me out... for lack of a better term. Although i would love to be able to say that i will handle those moments with all the grace and humility of a storybook slave girl, i'm certain that i will have my moments of rebellion.

    i know i've strayed a bit from topic... your question was do i believe its possible. i think that it is absolutely possible to live a life in which "the Dominant has complete authority and influence over a submissive's life, making the majority of decisions." i don't however believe that there will ever come a time when that Power Exchange will come easily... i think this type of relationship takes the constant recommitment of B/both members. i constantly have to remind myself of my place and my position, knowing that i am in the process of undoing a lifetime of independence to become dependant upon One.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 2:42:26 AM

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i agree with LA regarding the use of the word transfer as opposed to exchange because exchange suggests a two-way street.

In my job i am a supervisor with a certain level of power but with absolutely no authority. i implement changes and plans but only with the approval and signature of my boss. i do not have the authority to sign anything, order anything, change anything or start anything without the boss' consent. He has all the authority, period. However, this does not make me powerless as my associates take their direction and guidance from me. If i have an idea for a new program, i take it to my manager. When he approve it, i do the implementation...he has exchanged power with me but never authority. This is considered normal practice in most corporations so why it seems odd to our "lifestyle" puzzles me.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 7:40:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: kycouple911

What are your thoughts on Absolute Power Exchange (APE) is it possible?

absolutely...depending on the definition that you ascribe to it.

will it be easy?

it hasn't always been for this slave. there have been plenty of times that she wished she could be like the "normal" independent-career minded women of our American society, especially in the stereotypical female orgasm department, but then, she didn't go through a lifetime of conditioning to be an independent woman, personally capitalizing on her assets, either.

she's been through a lifetime of relationships, and been submissive to all of them---some were accepting and valued this slave's training and submissive reaction to everything, some weren't. some appreciated the loyalty and the devotion, some didn't. some used this slave's talents and abilities to their advantage, some didn't. some flat out told her she needed therapy/meds, etc. because NO-ONE, in their "right" mind would appreciate, according to their un-professional diagnosis, a "co-dependent, masochistic nymphomaniac", much less want to be in a serious, committed relationship with one. Go figure.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 8:03:51 AM

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beth,

great post. My regards to Merc.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 2:10:32 PM

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Thank you for your responses, they have shed light on this topic for us, we believe the journey of APE is what is important and fun. There are times as a Master/Mistress that we fulfill many roles in a slaves life. And while 27/7 APE is a goal to strive for, there are times for normal interaction and behaivor modification.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 2:28:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kycouple911
And while 27/7 APE is a goal to strive for, there are times for normal interaction and behaivor modification.

But what if the authority transfer IS your "normal interaction"? What if behavior modification is what suits you best?

I think the problem is when people envision "APE" as some weird transformation of how people act/talk/ARE with eachother. It really can be as boring as any vanilla couple.

APE (whatever you call it) isn't about what you DO- it's about who you ARE.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 2:59:53 PM

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LA, I gotta agree with you on that. It seems that most who are 24/7 just fall into it almost naturally. There are tops who have a good grasp on their life and enjoy additional responsabilities and there are some bottoms who do not want to make any decisions, just want to be told what to do. It works out well if it is what both wanted from the get-go and realize that it isn't a fantasy life with the subbie in chains. When I explain what 24/7 is, I find myself referencing old black & white sitcoms like "Leave it to Beaver" and "I love Lucy" since that is what I see as good examples of effective TPE.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 4:31:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

i agree with LA regarding the use of the word transfer as opposed to exchange because exchange suggests a two-way street.

In my job i am a supervisor with a certain level of power but with absolutely no authority. i implement changes and plans but only with the approval and signature of my boss. i do not have the authority to sign anything, order anything, change anything or start anything without the boss' consent. He has all the authority, period.

Although i would agree that "transfer" is probably a more appropriate word, i would hope that there is an exchange that takes place. What slave would willingly hand themselves over to One who promises nothing in return? One who will not protect them, guide them, teach them, or provide for them (emotionally if not monetarily)? i'm sure it could be said that a Dominant owes Their slave nothing but i would like to think that in a healthy lifestyle relationship One would at least exchange consideration.

Just a thought,
annare

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 6:35:36 PM

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Oh absolutely- but in that case everyone is exchanging and sharing with everyone. All healthy relationships involve give and take of energy and cooperation.

No one owes anyone anything, except what has been committed towards. And that commitment can be negated in many ways.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 7:07:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Oh absolutely- but in that case everyone is exchanging and sharing with everyone. All healthy relationships involve give and take of energy and cooperation.

i hope this is true. :) i know that it is what i strive to achieve in my relationship. i suppose the argument could be made that in giving a submissive is receiving... because i know that serving my Master brings me much pleasure... that could be labled as another form of exchange.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 7:36:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kycouple911

Thank you for your responses, they have shed light on this topic for us, we believe the journey of APE is what is important and fun. There are times as a Master/Mistress that we fulfill many roles in a slaves life. And while 27/7 APE is a goal to strive for, there are times for normal interaction and behaivor modification.

Wow, it's getting harder and harder to be a submissive these days. I have enough trouble with 24/7 power exchange relationships. Now I gotta find another 3 hours?

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 8:14:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes

Total, Absolute Power Exchange With OldGuard Rules a Must = TAPEWORM

LMFAO

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 8:22:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: kycouple911
And while 27/7 APE is a goal to strive for, there are times for normal interaction and behaivor modification.

But what if the authority transfer IS your "normal interaction"? What if behavior modification is what suits you best?

I think the problem is when people envision "APE" as some weird transformation of how people act/talk/ARE with eachother. It really can be as boring as any vanilla couple.

APE (whatever you call it) isn't about what you DO- it's about who you ARE.

ABSOLUTELY LA.!!!
That was something that confused me when i was in my past relationship....BUT then i wasn't a slave and we weren't TPE or APE...there was TIME IN and TIME OUT there was also alot of stuff that was "untouchable" by the relationship.

With my Daddy, things just ARE the way they are...there is NO TIME OUT but we aren't in a scene constantly either...we are doing what is 100% natural...this doesnt mean i obey instantly because its natural BUT it does mean that i try my best to please him and obey as quickly as i can...HE is ALWAYS the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY.....and it doesnt feel the LEAST bit contrived or put on...
It just IS

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/19/2007 8:55:02 PM

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I'll also sneak in the point that "rules and ritual" lovers can actually exacerbate this problem- they make who they are into all these rules and rituals and stuff to make them feel hot and yummy.

The problem is- they suddenly begin to think that Ds IS the rules and rituals and if it's not governed by a rule or part of a kink, it's "not Ds". Or even worse- when life interferes with "the rules and rituals" suddenly they feel like the RELATIONSHIP is weakened and lost. Even though in fact only the rules and rituals must shift.

Again, I'm not anti rule or ritual or anything (at least I try not to be), but they need to be kept in place and work FOR you- not you work for them.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/20/2007 8:56:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I'll also sneak in the point that "rules and ritual" lovers can actually exacerbate this problem- they make who they are into all these rules and rituals and stuff to make them feel hot and yummy.

The problem is- they suddenly begin to think that Ds IS the rules and rituals and if it's not governed by a rule or part of a kink, it's "not Ds". Or even worse- when life interferes with "the rules and rituals" suddenly they feel like the RELATIONSHIP is weakened and lost. Even though in fact only the rules and rituals must shift.

Again, I'm not anti rule or ritual or anything (at least I try not to be), but they need to be kept in place and work FOR you- not you work for them.

What a great point, and part of what some of the TIME OUTS were in my old realtionship.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/20/2007 10:21:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

quote:

ORIGINAL: kycouple911

Thank you for your responses, they have shed light on this topic for us, we believe the journey of APE is what is important and fun. There are times as a Master/Mistress that we fulfill many roles in a slaves life. And while 27/7 APE is a goal to strive for, there are times for normal interaction and behaivor modification.

Wow, it's getting harder and harder to be a submissive these days. I have enough trouble with 24/7 power exchange relationships. Now I gotta find another 3 hours?

LOL, we are demanding, thank you for pointing out the type o, now I will humiliate my fingers....

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/21/2007 11:40:55 AM

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APE and TPE are of course possible it is a matter of illusionary belief. If you read any book , in this case as an example "Harry Potter" the mind allows you to envisage a boy riding a broomstick chasing a golden ball. You see it. If you see Darren Brown draw a white circle around a pound coin in the street, people walk around it. They believe that there is some form of security watching or that it is marked out as a police evidence thing. If I put a beware of the dog sign up people who do not like dogs walk past anxiously.
The brain is a wonderful thing and can be trained to act in a manner that might to you and me seen irrational. yet the person will think it totally ok.
To hand over power in this way should be the aim of every Dom and Master! To know his sub/slave in such an intimate way is surely his duty. In so knowing he is then able to direct the sub/slaves manner to the sub/slaves higher intellegence and thus free them of any barrier to their service. Thus it is used to better the sub/slave and allow them to function in a much clearer way.
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RE: is APE possible? - 6/21/2007 5:53:23 PM

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Greetings,

i would say it's DEFINITELY possible if the two people involved in the dynamic are committed to it. Master and i have this type of dynamic and it works wonderfully. It is amazing fulfilling for both of us, though it is not easy all the time and it's definitely not for everyone. Feel free to contact me in private if you'd like to discuss it more.

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RE: is APE possible? - 6/22/2007 7:52:33 PM

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I think there are specific parts of EVERY person in this world, that are impossible to give up. For instance, if you get sick. You didn't get permission to get sick, did you? Your Master/Mistress didn't control you getting sick, right? So how are you giving ALL of yourself when some things are beyond your control?

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