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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/21/2007 5:17:58 AM

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I have used it in several of mine, it mitigated circumstances, I will be out by 2020 instead of 2024.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/21/2007 6:02:47 AM

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When presented with the "Breathplay is a hard limit" by a dominant, my first question is "You don't like to be deep-throated and control the action?"

Yes. Breathplay is very, very dangerous. Staying away from the throat is crucial. But I also consider being face-fucked while a fistful of my hair is used to control the situation every-bit as much "breathplay" as any of the other suggested activities.

Oh, yeah, you guessed it: I like it.

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We play this way, holding my head just long enough to make me squirm and wiggle and become completely uncomfortable... we like it too

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/21/2007 9:06:01 AM

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eyesopened,

Consent is not a valid defense in most (if not all) states. This is to enable prosecutors to press cases when the victim won't; like with domestic abuse cases (for example) or brawling or dueling.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/21/2007 9:27:52 AM

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Consent is not a valid defense in most (if not all) states. This is to enable prosecutors to press cases when the victim won't; like with domestic abuse cases (for example) or brawling or dueling.

However, I would be inclined to think that being completely open and honest with your physician about your lifestyle activities, particularly if you have a penchant for dangerous play, would be in your best interest. Doctors have seen it all, anyway, and if you both have an "established," verified history of this type of behavior, it makes prosecution a little more difficult in the event of an accidental death.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/21/2007 6:03:20 PM

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You could just tell her not to breathe. If she breathes before the allotted time, you smack her.

Like others said, a hand over the mouth and nose is also another option and REALLY hot. I prefer it to his hands around my neck, because it puts him in a position to whisper mean things in my ear. ;)

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/22/2007 7:05:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

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Consent is not a valid defense in most (if not all) states. This is to enable prosecutors to press cases when the victim won't; like with domestic abuse cases (for example) or brawling or dueling.

However, I would be inclined to think that being completely open and honest with your physician about your lifestyle activities, particularly if you have a penchant for dangerous play, would be in your best interest. Doctors have seen it all, anyway, and if you both have an "established," verified history of this type of behavior, it makes prosecution a little more difficult in the event of an accidental death.

Excellent advice. In fact, it's worth discussing with your physician well in advance of any 'accidents' since your doctor may be obligated to report any activities that might seem to be abusive to the authorities. Showing up with dozens of bruises in different colors, a collar, ripped piercings, and flogger and whip marks would definitly be a cause for alarm, if the doctor wasn't expressly warned well in advance.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/22/2007 7:36:44 AM

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mmmmmm....you said it! i couldn't agree more. This is how my Master controls His slave's breath and it's wonderful.....i love the feeling. He will put His hands on my throat but mostly He covers my mouth and nose with His big strong hands and it puts me in a nice place, quickly. Oh, and my Master also whispers into my ear, while He's not allowing any air to enter my mouth or nose. It sends me into orbit. The only reason that this is so wonderful to me, is because i trust Master David with my life, otherwise i would be freaking out if anyone else were to try to block my breathing.

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ORIGINAL: junecleaver
You could just tell her not to breathe. If she breathes before the allotted time, you smack her.

Like others said, a hand over the mouth and nose is also another option and REALLY hot. I prefer it to his hands around my neck, because it puts him in a position to whisper mean things in my ear. ;)

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/24/2007 5:35:20 PM

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greetings all.
at the risk of being labelled dangerous I will throw in My experiences. I have used restricted blood flow to the brain by My hands on the throat technique as well as restricted air flow again around the throat. The girls I have performed breath play upon and Myself were both knowledgeable and took precautions. I have also used the cover the nose and mouth act with My hand. The point I am trying to make is simply this.....do not try it until you have been trained and trained well...even to the point of having your instructor allowing you to practice upon a living being. That is My experience and I am versed in it. I do not play that way with all girls....just those who are experienced in this form of play. I will play in this manner with those who wish to try it...using first mouth/nose restriction ...then blood flow restriction...then finally throat airway restriction. and yes....great force is not required or even desired to get the reaction from the girl. No one has died from My practices...no one will. Ever.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/27/2007 6:04:08 PM

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I am just very uncomfortable with this play as I have not been taught, trained, etc.

Hold on to that feeling. Don't lose it. It will be very useful along the way.
In short: don't get confident. Retain a healthy respect for the risks.
That is almost as useful as the rest of the advice you'll get.
Combine it with advice, and you're better off than most.

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... make sure we have another non audible safe gesture such as blinking.

You want a "default-to-safe" option.

That means that you want a safe gesture that happens unless consciously suppressed.
One example is what Wyrd said about having her squeeze your hand all the way.
Another that I saw on the forums is having her hold something.

As unconsciousness sets in, she will either go slack or start seizing/convulsing.

Either way is a sure sign to stop immediately, and to check vital signs.

Also, never use a way to restrict breathing that doesn't "fail open", i.e. stop by itself.
Consider the off chance that you might pass out yourself (unknown heart condition, etc.).
Keep your body positioned so that you will fall away from her if that ever happens.
Only use one hand in covering the mouth and the nose; skip the neck.

There are ways to squeeze the neck that will close off the trachea without crushing it, without closing off the blood supply, and without triggering the vasovagal response (that is, neither triggering the vagus nerve directly, nor raising the pressure at the baroceptors). But that requires highly qualified instruction, and still isn't entirely safe. I've done it in martial arts training, as a move designed to prevent someone from speaking or crying out, but it isn't something I'd carry over into play, even if I were into breath play (I'm not, the risk is unacceptable to me).

Another option is to go for panic play with carbon dioxide instead.
Again, someone who knows how to do it should teach you.
The idea there is to raise the carbon dioxide levels.
This reliably triggers the panic / choke response.

Some people do this by using a carefully perforated bag over the head, but that's iffy.
Others use dry ice or other sources of carbon dioxide, which is more complicated.
The net result is the same: she feels unable to breathe, and soon starts to panic.
Such play can be done a lot more safely; it's how they test anxiolytic drugs.
Panic occurs before oxygen deprivation starts to become an issue.

There's lots of threads about breath play and such on the forum if you search for it.

Welcome to the forum, by the way.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/27/2007 6:07:50 PM

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More people die from this form of play than all others put together (admittedly some of the deaths are auto erotic, ie people doing it to themselves and screwing up).

Actually, most of the deaths are autoerotic, as far as I know.
Which is not to say that it is remotely safe.

If finances permit, I would suggest getting a chest compression unit and a manual ventilator.
Compression units are a lot more reliable than CPR, defibrillators, and so forth.
And manual ventilators prevent you from passing out from mouth-to-mouth.
It still doesn't negate the risks, but it significantly reduces them.

Aside from the issue of dislodging plaque/clots, that almost brings it within my idea of acceptable risk.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/27/2007 6:09:00 PM

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Just out of curiosity.... has the "S/he wanted me to..." ever been a valid defense in a manslaughter trial?

Valid defense? I doubt it.
Mitigating circumstance? Up here, it has been, don't know about the US.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/27/2007 6:11:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: junecleaver

You could just tell her not to breathe. If she breathes before the allotted time, you smack her.

That would be my suggestion, too.
Everyone I know personally who engages in breath play, uses this method.
Just make sure not to repeat it too often, as the tolerance can build up, leading to more danger.

Of course, the risk is still not absent.

Pearl divers generally don't live to become old, and the reason for this is voluntary breath control.
Essentially, repeated oxygen deprivation causes cumulative brain damage over time.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/27/2007 6:13:05 PM

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No one has died from My practices...no one will. Ever.

Let us know how that works out for you in the long run.
Others have said the same, and not all of them turned out to be right.

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RE: Breath Play Advice - 6/27/2007 6:54:08 PM

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No one has died from My practices...no one will. Ever.

Explain that when you are on trial for murder.

I enjoy breath play. However, I have also made peace with the fact that I might die from it, and I am okay with that. It is always a possibility, and I would much rather play with someone that said "hey, this is usually safe, but there is a chance you might die" than with someone that says "hey, no one will die from this."

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