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Lashra -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 4:51:01 PM)

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the Domme with her submissive powerful man, proud to serve under his mighty ruler, but dangerously strong to all who would oppose her.

This is the only type of man I will have. I have no respect for wimps (male or female). I like people of strong character who stand up for what they believe in. My submale is as you described, phyiscally powerful, proud, dominant to all but me and he would defend me to his last breath. He is my knight in shining armor, he serves me and defends me.

~Lashra




johnxinxscruz -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 5:01:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: adoracat

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ORIGINAL: johnxinxscruz


You've clearly never owned a dachshund...



i was thinking the same....my mama's dog shorty, the mini doxie, is the king of the house. barney, the gran pyranese, is a coward.

in my house, my blonde german shepherd climbs into my lap when it thunders.

kitten, who knows dogs as well as people break generalizations....



Yup. Dachshunds are incredibly headstrong, and therefore difficult to train (they're trainable, but they don't like to be trained, as opposed to some other breeds which are a breeze to train). They were bred for independence, as their job is/was to go into badger warrens, without any micro-management by the human who can't follow them, and _kill_ the badger _in_its_home_, possibly dealing with a mother protecting its young. As a result, they're tenacious and incredibly deliberate and dedicated problem solvers.

To equate them with scared, broken, easily trained subs is ... just completely the opposite if any dachshund I've ever met.

And, yeah, in just about every dachshund house I've been in, the Dachshund is THE Dom of the house ... no matter what roles the humans have among each other.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 5:03:42 PM)

If you are going to make analogies to animals when it comes to sub males, I would look at the differences between Chimpanzees and Bonobos.  Here is an interesting article on it at http://www.2think.org/bonobo.shtml


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS writes -- Call them the sexy apes. Or the feminist apes. Or the gentle apes.
But for some scientists, they can be downright inconvenient apes -- because the little-known bonobo is hurting theories that human behavior evolved from warlike, male-dominated chimps.
Bonobos are just as related to people as are chimps. But the females are clearly in charge. They're peaceful. More intriguing: They have sex all the time, not to procreate but to settle conflict or get to know each other -- and unlike other animals, they have it face-to-face with some French kissing thrown in.
"We may be more bonobo-like than we want to admit," says Frans de Waal, a primatologist at the Yerkes Regional Primate Center whose new book, Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape, is one of the first major works on the rare species.
De Waal sees the roots of cognition in a bonobo named Kakowet, who spotted zookeepers turning on water valves and realized they would flood a nearby moat where infant apes were playing. Kakowet warned the zookeeper and helped rescue the babies.
The ability to view the world from someone else's perspective -- in this case, to realize the babies would be in the path of rushing water and cannot swim -- is advanced thinking once thought unique to humans, de Waal said.
The nation's largest primate research center is bringing together neuroscientists, geneticists and behavior experts to shed new light on human evolution: Using our closest living relatives -- the apes -- to explain how human cognition and behavior evolved.
"By understanding chimps, maybe we'll understand ourselves a wee bit better," explained Tom Insel, chief of the Yerkes Regional Primate Center, which is setting up the Living Links project on human evolution.
One chief project will be identifying ape genes to match with the neurologic and behavior findings. Human DNA is 98.4 percent identical to the DNA of chimps and bonobos.
"What is it in that other 1.6 percent that makes us different from them? That's the critical question," said de Waal.
Bonobos live in just one remote corner of the world, the deep rainforests of Congo. Scientists didn't begin seriously studying them until the 1970s. Fewer than 100 are in captivity. There's no word yet on how well they survived last year's bloody civil war in Congo -- Japanese experts only recently ventured back into the bush.
Bonobos have smaller heads, slimmer necks and longer legs than chimps, and a more humanlike posture. They're rather stylish, with red lips and distinctive black hair parted down the middle.
Females are only 85 percent as big as males, yet they band together to take charge. Females leave their original group when they're grown, migrating into new bonobo societies where they bond with other females to establish a spot in the hierarchy.
Unlike chimps, female bonobos control choice food: Males hang around the periphery until they're offered a bite. A male's rank depends on his mother's social standing.
Chimps often fight viciously, especially with strangers, even taking over territory by killing the adult males. Bonobos rarely fight. Videos of groups meeting in the wild show them nervous and shrieking but not physically attacking. Gradually, the females approach each other and initiate cautious sexual contact.
And sex among bonobos is reminiscent of the Kamasutra. It's not just male-female -- they have same-gender sex, oral sex, masturbation, group sex. Like humans, they have face-to-face intercourse, making scientists wonder if they're more emotionally intimate than other animals. In zoos, the average bonobo initiates sexual contact every 1 1/2 hours.
Why? De Waal says Bonobos basically resolve power issues with sex: It eases conflict, signals friendliness and calms stressful situations. 




SweetDommes -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 5:38:50 PM)

Considering that I have an absolutely fearless Shih Tzu (which most people would consider to be in the same catagory that the OP puts the Dachschund), and a German Shepherd who FREAKS OUT during anything resembling a thunderstorm and during the last two has manage to make her crate nearly unusable and tore her nose up ...

I'd have to say that I prefer something in the middle.  I definitely don't want someone who considers himself to be weak or beaten ... but I don't know that I want someone who thinks that he needs to defend me when I can take care of myself (which some "human Anubis"es do).  I do like the image though ... I have a thing for the Egyption-slaveboy look [:D]




OrangeJulius -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 6:31:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: OrangeJulius


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ORIGINAL: Wickad

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lol - I'd like to know who would readily admit to wanting a "pathetic, beaten man"?

Wickad


Suprisingly, I've found quite a few. They tend to be a little younger though.


A question, if you will, julius.  Would you be referring to the age of the submissive or the Dominant?


I was talking about the dominants. I haven't really talked to many subs on here.




LadyPact -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 6:39:05 PM)

In that case, it makes perfect sense.  Much easier for the less experienced dominant to control the daschunds.  Thank you for clarifying that for Me.




OrangeJulius -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 6:45:53 PM)

You're very welcome.




Lashra -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 8:37:09 PM)

I have a Doberman , a pitbull and a pekingese. Guess who rules the roost? The pekingese, he has latched onto the face of my pitbull more than once. She (the pitbull) thinks its a game and the Doberman just watches them with this look of boredom  lol Sometimes its not the size of the dog but the spirit inside.

~Lashra




stockingluvr54 -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 9:15:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyClaudiaVan

Goodness, men are a little more complex than your two choices, dear boy.


The Lady is right...!!!!!  I'm a Pit Bull....!!!!  lmao!




MsRose -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 10:21:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadySeraphina
I like what aidan said about a golden retriever. My houseboy, who I adore, is more like a border collie. Small, unassuming yet pretty to look at, and highly intelligent. Incredibly useful, and an excellent companion.


If forced to make a choice, I'm in the border collie camp. But I don't think men are that easy to categorize..




SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/19/2007 11:42:16 PM)

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I know I've had a sexist upbringing, but it's not only my small world where men are told to be strong, competent, and honorable.  I have seen Dommes that prefer their male counterpart to be far beneath them, in every way.  I've seen Dommes that desire their submissives to be superior than they are in certain fields, this way they can control a person who is better than they are at something, making them better than they were alone, by proxy.


I don't fall into either of those categories. While I prefer that anyone I choose to have be a part of my life be strong, competent, self evolved and have a healthy dose of self esteem and self respect that doesn't mean I see them as either superior or inferior to me. I don't become a better person via their association with me nor do I become a lesser person either. Vague enough for you? LOL

I have always believed that it takes great strength to be submissive. Especially for a male submissive to accept and embrace that there is a drive deep within them to be someone that goes wholly against societal expectations of what a "man" should be and how he should act within a relationship. I think it would be pretty evident that I'm a proponent of Female Led relationships.

While I prefer a submissive that is all male in every sense of the word I also prefer one that is strong enough to go against those societal expectations. One who understands what it takes mentally, emotionally and physically to submit and be able to do so for Me. I look for intelligence, confidence and the ability to discuss any variety of topics respectfully without it becoming a debate or a personal attack. Someone capable of thinking for themselves and still defers to me making the final decision regarding what's best for them and for us. I'm not interested in egotistical and argumentative; that doesn't equal strength of character to Me. It simply equals them being an a**. The weak repetitive "yes, Ma'am" type have never appealed to me either.

By weak I view that as the type that are afraid to have a thought for themselves. Need to be micromanaged down to what they'll be doing every minute of every day. Are incapable of having a successful fulfilling career or life outside of the relationship or have a goal of being caged and/or chained to a post every moment they aren't "in service". While I adore a strong male that is capable of being made weak in the knees around me, I am not at all attracted to a submissive that is weak in character or personal skills. I realize that these may be two extremes and there may be many different subset of types in between the two. However you asked for a personal opinion in regard to two distinct descriptive types. My type just happens to be one of those extremes. So I guess I'll go with the Guard Dog. There's something quite extraordinarily powerful about taking control of and dominating a strong male that could quite easily overpower me on a physical level but is made incapable of doing so by simply being in my presence. Sigh.

Edited because there is chocolate somewhere in the house distracting me.




AquaticSub -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/20/2007 12:04:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: johnxinxscruz


You've clearly never owned a dachshund...



Agreed. When I was a kid, we had to crate ours when guests came over. She was too aggressive.




bbwsubnnorcal -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/20/2007 12:56:58 AM)

Notice no one mentions the utterly laid back basset hound?? (close cousin to the dreaded "bass-a-lope")

hhhmmmmm.... methinks there is a conspiracy abound....





damia -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/20/2007 1:43:48 AM)

I'm training my pup to be my guard dog (bodyguard and definitely someone who could hold his own). I definitely prefer the german shepherd over the dachsund (though I've seen some dachsunds who thought they could hold their own...*giggle*).

     




YesMistressIrish -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/20/2007 6:49:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyDominaX

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ORIGINAL: aidan

How about a golden retriever?

Lovely dogs...Friendly, loyal, affectionate, good with kids! They're fairly easy to train, and can be taken out and about in the country or the city.

But...if somebody should do something to anger them, to threaten their owners, their "pack"...Gods help you. They can be viscious, tearing things. I've been bitten by a few, I should know.

One does not need to wantonly display strength to posess it. Speak softly and carry a big stick...So that they won't expect it when you come from behind and puncture their lungs.



That pretty much covers it.

In human terms, the Hugh Jackman character from Kate & Leopold is the sort I would love to meet. Strong, capable, ready, willing and able to serve and protect his mistress, yet willing to defer to her expertise and control unless it goes against a hard limit.


Quite a delicious character: Leopold. Love those outfits he wore and his Old-World courtship style.
And, I'd go for the Golden Retriever or a Maine Coon cat.
I also find the Rottweiler types to be so satisfying when they get those Doe eyes.
 
To the OP:
Outwardly very submissive compared vs. outwardly very strong?
 
What day of the week were we talking about? [;)]
 
M Irish




Trampler -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/20/2007 7:51:26 AM)

Well I think (imho) that a person who wants a sub that is pathetic and worthless, doesn't know that much about the lifestyle. Same for the sub who desires to be those qualities.  Like most Domme's I like men/women who have inner strength, who stand up for themselves, I may like rugs for my hardwood floors in my house, but it would get tiring to have to take a big step over the prone man lying there, imatating a rug. ( though I don't know, "accidently" stepping on him suddenly to hear him squeal like a stuck pig would be amusing, especially in the mornings. *being a smartass*)




Trampler -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/20/2007 7:54:39 AM)

I love Maine Coons! I had a cat that was half Maine Coon, he was pretty cool and more smarter then he shoulda been.  One time he had figured out how to open the fridge, and knocked down the huge jar of green olives and picked the pimentos out. *shakes head* whoops sorry for hijacking..................My bad.




MaamJay -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/21/2007 11:47:08 PM)

In the dog world, give Me a Westie (West Highland White Terrier) ... a medium sized personality and bark housed in a smaller body! Plenty of pluck and spirit but wonderfully affectionate, loving and loyal. Responds well to training as long as it's done with a kind hand. Some even train themselves (our blind westie taught himself the meaning of directions such as left, right, turn around, stop and TREE!) and have good self-discipline. Occasionally wanders after an interesting distraction but comes back when called. Always eager to please. Happy smiling nature, rarely sullen or sad. Takes guard duty very seriously and attempts to see off any threat.

Hmmmmmmm I think I just described My ideal sub boy too LMAO! Maybe there's more to this dog analogy than I first thought!

Maam Jay aka violet[A] (who's now wondering what kind of dog violet is to Master LOL!)

Just got my answer ... i'm a boxer, because i'm definitely a nut, i'm playful and i like to have fun, but i must be crossed with a border collie as i am also smart, intelligent, quick to learn and fiercely loyal! [:D]




MiladyElaine -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/22/2007 5:08:43 AM)

I'll take a German Short-haired Pointer - one of the most versatile in the dog kingdom.  Field, tracking, running, service, etc.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Daschunds or Gaurd Dogs? (6/22/2007 5:16:26 AM)

AS for real dogs, I have a St. Bernard.  Shes about the friendlest, biggest most intimidating thing youve ever seen... but shes a lapdog.

My boys, on the other hand, are definately lapdogs. They would defend me tooth and nail, if they had to. It would never be an issue, I am far more  capable of ACTUALLY defening myself than they ever would be. They are both very tall and very thin. With your analogy, tey will definately hide on my lap during a thunderstorm.
Thats not necessarily my preference, it just happens to describe both my current boys fairly acurately.

DV




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