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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/21/2007 10:34:40 AM   
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Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing?


if this is true...i'm in BIG trouble...LOL


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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/21/2007 10:37:18 AM   
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I don't think a fiesty wench is bad a bad thing,most like a little fire in their subs/slaves

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/21/2007 7:15:45 PM   
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Being feisty and spirited is my nature, it  does not make me less of a slave. Many confuse being feisty with being defiant and trying to top from the bottom. I am obedient and I am also fun to be with and Master enjoys my personality. Being feisty to me is just having fun and interacting with spirit. If someone wants someone that is passive and doesn't interact then that isn't me. Everyone has their preferences in personality traits they seek in someone.

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 3:15:03 AM   
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Feisty? Who doesn't like to "poke the tiger" every now and then? But I'm still very new to all of this. Heck, I don't even know what all my limits are yet.
So, of course, now I sit here and wonder what would happen if I just looked up at him one of these days when I just didn't feel like doing something, and (assuming I was even able to speak) said something like: "No. Screw you." ... Or somehow managed to stick my middle finger at him?
Hmmmm ... you double-dog dare me?

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 3:54:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TEMPERANCE

Im curious to know how Masters view submissives that are fiesty and confident women.



I appreciate a confident sub, be it male or female.  In fact, I *require* confidence in My subs.  If they don't don't have it, I will give it to them.

As for a fiesty sub.. they can be as fiesty as their pain threshold allows.. ;-)

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 5:02:28 AM   
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Feisty is good - but it's kind of like "brat" subs.  A little cockiness and a lot of self confidence is great, so long as it's still within the realms of being obedient and respectful to the Dominant.  Know where the lines are that cross over to disobedience and disrespect.

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 4:12:58 PM   
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I myself do not feel threatened by a fiesty submissive. I guess it would depend on if the submissive in question knew where the line was, I dont mind punishing a sub on occasion for speaking out but i imagine that over time it would get old.

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 6:13:29 PM   
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soft, sweet submissives are great. so are brats.
you're all good! Even when you're bad.
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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 7:18:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: improperattire

now I sit here and wonder what would happen if I just looked up at him one of these days when I just didn't feel like doing something, and (assuming I was even able to speak) said something like: "No. Screw you." ... Or somehow managed to stick my middle finger at him?
Hmmmm ... you double-dog dare me?


Thats not being fiesty.. thats just being down right stupid.... lt me know what happens..lol 

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 7:20:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: instynctive

As for a fiesty sub.. they can be as fiesty as their pain threshold allows.. ;-)



Im not quite sure why.... but i like this answer the best of them all :-D

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 7:33:48 PM   
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temperance i've been told similar sorts of things.  i am very feisty, i do not mean it to be disrespectful.  i do not have Master, and i am not at all sure i am ready for one, or even want one right now.  One thing is for sure, i will not and do not submit to just anyone.  It is simply not in my nature.  i truly desire to be compelled to submit.  :)

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 8:59:20 PM   
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That has more to do with the personality of a sub.  I can't answer for male subs since I'm not into them, but for slave/sub women--fiestiness is more personality related than having anything to do with domination/submission.  It's not fiesty that makes me upset as much as a lack of being submissive in ladies (which is a real hard-headedness that does not please a woman).  Most women I've met are designed to be fiesty to a degree, which has little to do with whether they are submissive.

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 9:02:52 PM   
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I don't see being fiesty as a bad thing for anyone.
I am very fiesty myself.
I believe in different strokes for different folks.
What you talkin bout Willis? {I had to say it}
 
Seriously, we all have different qualities that we seek in a partner.
Sometimes opposite attracts, sometimes similarities attract.
For me, I have a strong Dominant personality, so I do seek someone servile, submissive,
quiet and obedient.
That again, works well for me.
We are all different----

To each his/her own!
Viva la difference.


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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 10:45:30 PM   
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"His wife, Xanthippe, was of notoriously foul temper (when asked why he had married her, he replied that horse-trainers needed to practise on the most spirited animals."  - Excerpted from The Consolations of Philosophy by Alain de Botton, regarding the Athenian philosopher Socrates. (2000)




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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/22/2007 11:55:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TEMPERANCE

Im curious to know how Masters view submissives that are fiesty and confident women.

I have often read that Dominants enjoy the challenge of a submissive that is not a naturally a submissive individual... it has often been descibed as exciting and well worth the challenge when the submission is finally gained.  However, in reality... it does not appear to be as such.  Im aware of several submissives that fit the lable of 'fiesty' and experience great difficulty in the search for a Master.

It would seem that some Masters feel threathened by the percieved dominance of the submissive and others just feel that the time and effort required maybe just a little too much.... i would be most interested in how others view this.

Thank you



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Oh God i  hope not...LOL..Master seems to not only love my fiestyness...but He welcomes it...i guess its part of my charm....LOL

In the "Taming of the Shrew", the bard spun us a tale of a man investing considerable time and effort to first break and then remake a woman who was more than fiesty, but "shrewish". No I don't spend much time in the theater but anyone can get the Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor version in a video store or library. Taylor portrays so thorny a personality: that we are supposed to believe nobody was willing to bed the young Elizabeth Taylor (Not the older Taylor, Whose afraid of Virginia Wolf). And that has to be some hellacious personality flaws to overlook those eyes and her "points of interest". His reward, once he won her hear,t her mind, and the crux of her being , was a more devoted, more capable, and more genuine partner than the other gals. Event though they were  previously thought to be the more valuable properties. Her devotion to her lord and master puts the others to shame. Maybe it is a bit like that.

I have been served by one or two "feisty", strong willed submissives. It is not that I am drawn to the challenge of beating down stong, and accomplished women, I don't like to work that hard. I am simply attracted to strong and accomplished women when they are willing or can be compelled to serve me. I don't like dishrag women, any more than I would pursue having a sexual partner whose hips dislocated easily (don't ask). On the plus side of the scale, the women I like intimidate a lot of doms. But I don't intimidate easily, which makes me a big fish in a small pond. It also means I don't have to get by on my innate charm and manly good looks, it is always good to have an edge.

I am dominant, I tend to suck all the oxygen out of a room, I need a woman who isn't afraid to hold her breath. I would confuse a woman with a mediocre intellect, leave speachless a woman with less to say, bowl over a woman who was less grounded. I want to beat and tickle and stroke a woman to the point where she abandons fear, false modesty, ego and all other issues and meets me joyously in the middle. . I want to push her to the edge and beyond, where she is just hereslf with no pretensions. Then hear her hum there, sing there, hanging over the precipice dangling held up by my will and my touch, and come back with a greater understanding of herself and her place in the universe.

I don't want someone who  fades away; asking nothing, contributing nothing.   I have seen the dance of dominance and submission ( perhaps compounded by the inability to embrace their own sexuality) push a woman to the threshold, and find her unequal to the task:  leave her staring at the abyss counting to herself a mantra of the seconds passing until she can crawl back from the edge. Enduring ungraciously the time she is forced to wait until she can  weave a warm cocoon around herself. Get a more comfortable man or a large drink.

 To be a slave requires the strength to stand totally naked. To have your understanding of self, your will to serve and your bond with your owner be your only clothing against the cosmic cold. In search of those qualities I can live with feisty. I can even loose a few arguments (very few).






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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 6/23/2007 2:03:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TEMPERANCE

Im curious to know how Masters view submissives that are fiesty and confident women.

I have often read that Dominants enjoy the challenge of a submissive that is not a naturally a submissive individual... it has often been descibed as exciting and well worth the challenge when the submission is finally gained.  However, in reality... it does not appear to be as such.  Im aware of several submissives that fit the lable of 'fiesty' and experience great difficulty in the search for a Master.

It would seem that some Masters feel threathened by the percieved dominance of the submissive and others just feel that the time and effort required maybe just a little too much.... i would be most interested in how others view this.

Thank you



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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 7/1/2007 7:14:26 AM   
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Um. You're a hell of a lot feistier than some Subs.

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ORIGINAL: junecleaver

I don't know.  I'm not very fiesty and my Dom likes me.  I think he would like me whether I was fiesty or not though.  I see A LOT of Doms who appreciate fiestiness in a submissive.


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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 7/1/2007 7:20:36 AM   
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I wouldnt have My subby any other way, it would get to boring, he is hudini lol makes Me work harder!! and I make him envent unescapable products in O/our shop he is a great product tester!!

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 7/1/2007 7:25:36 AM   
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Boys or girls, I don't really care if they're feisty and outgoing or not - I take it as a quality like having dark or light hair.

As long as it's not pointed at ME. As long as I'm not the thing being combatted. I am not interested in taming people who can't handle their desires and admit to them. I am not here to make anyone be anything - I'm here for those who know exactly what they are and are ready to face it.

I don't like the idea of people fronting things they're not either. If I know a person is actually kind of shy and reserved and I see them turn up the levels to 11 every time they need to cope with a crowd, I question what's going on.

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RE: Is being a fiesty submissive a bad thing? - 7/1/2007 3:36:17 PM   
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"Feisty" and "disobedient" are two very different things. If someone is claiming to want to be controlled but throwing up constant arguments and backtalk, yes, that will get old after a while. It would make me wonder whether she actually meant that she had a take-down or brat fetish. Feistiness is a pleasure if it means cooperating when cooperation is needed, and joking and fooling around when it's seen to be appealing instead of tiresome or out of place.


This is my take on it also.
There is a fine line between being feisty and being a brat.
It is also up to the Master determine where he draws the line
in a M/s relationship.

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