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BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 6:39:16 AM   
chrisy


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Status: offline 		Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position?

Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two?
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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 7:11:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It depends on the dominant. 

Can anyone really be responsible enough to parent?  Similar, but different.  It's one life responsible for another.  As an adult, we make choices and consent to how much we'll give to another.  Some give everything over; some do not.  Give yourself over to a fool and you're in trouble.  Give yourself over to one who manages your life better than you can, and like me, you're better off than you ever were.

This transformation was a slow, careful and deliberate process for me.  Bit by bit handed over, each level of depth more liberating than the last.  It was scary and exhillerating and difficult and wonderful at the same time.  And with each bit I handed over, I saw I could trust him even more, until he had it all, and my walls had come tumbling down.  Life is better than ever.  :)

Edited to add:  I do not view BDSM as a religion, however, nor do I view my slavery to him as that.   There is no correlation for me.

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 7:22:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why not?  There are millions of people who look to less authentic channels for spiritual guidence; Davidians, Republicans, Soap Opera Viewers, etc...

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 7:31:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chrisy... just click the block red hand on the name at the bottom of their post and don't worry about it. And if this is for a school project...gl with it.

As for your OP... so many others have tried to start their own religious "cults" ... "followers"... I am very leary of even a new church opening up in the area.

And i'm not into giving up every aspect of my life to another. I love being me too much.

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 7:38:12 AM   
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bdsm and christianity to me

http://www.collarchat.com/m_651144/mpage_1/key_christian/tm.htm#651149
"Christian" bdsm?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_101393/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#101393
bdsm lifestyle vs christianity/religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_112713/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#112713
bdsm spirituality???

http://www.collarchat.com/m_114995/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#114995
Christianity and ds bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_154410/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#154410
a sacred take on bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_168844/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#168844
bdsm and religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_176205/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#176205
sensuality & religion = what?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_193896/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#193896
religion and bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_275551/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#275551
christians everywhere!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_323932/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#323932
no...not the spiritual trip

http://www.collarchat.com/m_299050/mpage_1/key_faith%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#299050
power and spirit

http://www.collarchat.com/m_133611/mpage_1/key_spirituality%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#133611
bdsm and spirituality?

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 7:47:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chrisy

Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position?

Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two?


I think there are many obvious parallels between D/s on the one hand and either religion or parenting, as Ownedgirlie suggests, on the other.  Whether these parallels seem attractive or not often has a lot to do with an individual's experience with religion and parents.
I see many positive aspects of religion and parenting- and many seriously negative ones. I think that there are some submissives who are consciously or unconsciously pursuing D/s or BDSM as an attempt to gain those positives in their lives when in the past they have experienced the negatives of family and religion.
D/s certainly has opportunities for personal discipline and growth. It has opportunities for reflection and insight. It has opportunities for breaking bad habits of thought, feeling and action and becoming part of something 'larger' than the narrow sense of self- these are all positive aspects of religion, IMO, as well as being things that good parenting attempts to instill. Because there is no official doctrine or over-all hierarchy to D/s, people are 'free' to explore these issues in personally suitable ways. On the other hand, many bring with them ideas, attitudes and habits from their negative experiences that they replay in this new context- confrontation and resistance, deception and self-deception, sabotage, an attachment to doctrine, rigidity, fear- that tend to undermine the process they wish to embrace. (I am referring here to both doms and subs, btw).


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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 7:56:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chrisy

Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position?

Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two?


this slave's service to Master is of a spiritual nature, the path she walks in this life is connected to her soul and she follows "Merc & beth" dogma religiously, so if you define religion as:  "A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion " then yes, it is religion for this slave, and Master is the Hierophant.

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 11:22:48 AM   
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Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position?


no, but they dont have to be...they only need to be trying thier best, and you need to be willing to surf the waves of mistakes when they roll in.

there is an economy of trust that your dominant inadvertantly withdraws from when he make mistakes, but its ok if he has invested in you, your needs, what is important to you, and the reltionship, there is a large surplus that both of you can with draw from when mistakes inevitably happen.


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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 11:43:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes. I am willing to function as a Priestess for my household. I wear a collar on a daily basis that reminds me I am commited to surrendering to my higher power and serve that power as best I can. In doing this, I know that whatever happens in my household happens for better reasons than I can sometimes see. I do not expect to be Goddess of the household, however. Each slave is free to worship their higher power. I am to act as a Guide, Teacher and Priestess. This is what it means to me to be a Master. It is a spiritual calling.

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 11:47:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any section of a 'community' can be designed into a religon  if a person wants to turn it that way.
BDSM is no different... any part of politics can be as well... even an animal can be worshiped.
 
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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 11:48:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chrisy

Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position?

Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two?


Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Of course it depends upon the people involved, as does everything in WIITWD.

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 12:06:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chrisy

Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position?

Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two?


I feel like my Daddy is my guru. So far he has not abused that place in my heart.

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 12:25:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chrisy

Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position?

Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two?


Okay... I can see how one could turn BDSM into a spiritual path (notice I dont say religion).  But for me, my spiritual path is like a street and BDSM is the sidewalk.  They move together and are connected, yet on different levels.  My Master is also my Priest.  But I am His Priestess.  On the spiritual 'road' we are equal. Does that make any sense??
 
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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 1:18:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that spiritual components can easily be incorporated but they should not permeate every D/s relationship.  The most organization one should expect is "teachers teaching teachers" so Dominants can learn how to foster that kind of connection.

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 1:39:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix

quote:

ORIGINAL: chrisy

Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position?

Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two?


Okay... I can see how one could turn BDSM into a spiritual path (notice I dont say religion).  But for me, my spiritual path is like a street and BDSM is the sidewalk.  They move together and are connected, yet on different levels.  My Master is also my Priest.  But I am His Priestess.  On the spiritual 'road' we are equal. Does that make any sense??
 
1st girl Phoenix

That is brilliant...really thank you for sharing that....the other morning while in the shower,Madonna,likeaprayer came on the radio...and really listening to the lyrics..you have to wonder if she was into WIITWD back then...oreven now



Like a child you whisper softly to me
You're in control just like a child
Now I'm dancing
It's like a dream, no end and no beginning
You're here with me, it's like a dream
Let the choir sing

(chorus)

Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 1:58:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		BDSM as a religion?  Jesus Christ, what an uplifting idea!

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 2:00:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why not? All religions started out as an idea from somewhere. People worship all kinds of things. I've even heard of Serlingism where people worship the ideas of Rod Serling (which I have thought about taking up) lol

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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 2:14:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1

That is brilliant...really thank you for sharing that....the other morning while in the shower,Madonna,likeaprayer came on the radio...and really listening to the lyrics..you have to wonder if she was into WIITWD back then...oreven now


Thank you for saying so.
 
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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 2:16:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ManInTheBox

Why not? All religions started out as an idea from somewhere. People worship all kinds of things. I've even heard of Serlingism where people worship the ideas of Rod Serling (which I have thought about taking up) lol


Yeah, Jedi is a recognised religion in the UK.  (I have a friend that is into it)
 
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RE: BDSm as Religion - 6/20/2007 2:28:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		BDSM as a religion, ....try the Catolic Church; it is full to overflowing in BDSM; with the Pope as the Vicar of Christ, being made perfect, knowing all things; and as a layman; you are required to give, heart, body, mind and soul to your 'church', to your God, to your Pope.

People generally believed Nazi, was a political movement, it went beyond that, overthrown, not so,..... it was a religion, a philosophy; and the precepts exist today.

Jim Jones, had a church, in Gaihana, or somewhere; and he ruled, requiring heart, mind, body and soul, even the life of his followers. So, why not BDSM.

Just think......of the money that can be made;   opps, they are already doing that in the sessions.....ah well, never mind.

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