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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 7:04:50 AM

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You can't have a lynchin' without a rope.

Tell that to this guy:

From Wikipedia:
"A postcard showing the burned body of Jesse Washington, Waco, Texas, 1916. Washington, a 17-year-old mentally handicapped farmhand who had confessed to raping and killing a white woman, was castrated, mutilated, and burned alive by a cheering mob including mayor and the chief of police. An observer wrote that "Washington was beaten with shovels and bricks... [he] was castrated, and his ears were cut off. A tree supported the iron chain that lifted him above the fire... Wailing, the boy attempted to climb up the skillet hot chain. For this, the men cut off his fingers." This image is from a postcard, which said on the back, "This is the barbeque we had last night. My picture is to the left with a cross over it. Your son, Joe."

Since they used a chain only to hoist him so they could burn him to death, I guess he wasn't lynched?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 8:28:25 AM

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And I bet the witness' said it wasn't racially motovated then either,

You do not need a chain or a rope or even to hang the victim. That Gay man in Wyoming , Matthew Shepard was lynched and so have many others without being hanged.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 8:34:12 AM

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I can almost assure you, if it had been a white group, yes, it would have been called racially motivated.

The whole concept of "hate crimes" is idiotic.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 8:40:19 AM

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i guess they hated folks that run over kids and kill them...........

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 8:41:52 AM

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That mob committed a crime, plain and simple. Motivations are relevant in the investigation of a crime but they should not be relevant in the punishment once conviction is achieved. The only thing that should be relevant is the unjust taking of another human life.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 10:40:52 AM

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Self, nope, chains don't count.
And, they cooked that guy they didn't hang him.
How many times have you watched a Western Movie and heard someone say; "Someone get a chain!"
You have to have a ROPE!
That's the "Code of the West."
And, I don't think that lynchings are "hate crimes" per se, the crime itself is the reason for a lynching not someone's race or ethnic makeup.
If this victim hadn't have hit that child with his vehicle I seriously doubt he would have been attacked.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 1:53:05 PM

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i guess they hated folks that run over kids and kill them...........

Seek if you had read the article you would see that the kid was not killed. He was sent to the hospital with NON LIFE THREATENING INJURIES ie bruises and scrapes. I am quite sure the kid was screamign his head off if he wasn't knocked out. These people went to far and now an innocent man who went to the aid of his friend is dead. This is just the fucking start though. Its the summer and heat makes people do stupid and crazy shit. I should know I was born and raised in the Mecca of stupid shit come summer time.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 1:56:22 PM

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yikes i blew that one-and my edit button is gone! i edit it here to say run over and almost kill them as i intended in the first place.

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i guess they hated folks that run over kids and kill them...........

Seek if you had read the article you would see that the kid was not killed. He was sent to the hospital with NON LIFE THREATENING INJURIES ie bruises and scrapes. I am quite sure the kid was screamign his head off if he wasn't knocked out. These people went to far and now an innocent man who went to the aid of his friend is dead. This is just the fucking start though. Its the summer and heat makes people do stupid and crazy shit. I should know I was born and raised in the Mecca of stupid shit come summer time.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 1:57:34 PM

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i guess they hated folks that run over kids and kill them...........

Seek if you had read the article you would see that the kid was not killed. He was sent to the hospital with NON LIFE THREATENING INJURIES ie bruises and scrapes.

Exactly and whether they hate anyone or not, they have no right whatsoever to put their hands on the guy, let alone beat him to death. He wasn't even the driver. If you're gonna be a vigilante, at least kill the "right" person. Violent AND completely stupid....a great combo there........luci

edited to add: This kind of reminds me of that Reginald Denny beating after people got angry over the Rodney King verdict. That was also a case that, if the victim had been black, would have been called a hate crime. Yet, he wasn't. They grabbed him up and beat him senseless for nothing other than he was of a different race and it felt good to "get some get back" on the white dude. Makes about as much sense as this case - beating a person who had nothing to do with what they're so upset over......luci

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 2:09:14 PM

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I think your title is a little incendiary, and I wonder what your intent was with that.
The disclaimer first: I in no way condone what happened to that poor man, and abhor violence, but to call this a lynching is to me slightly disingenuous.

Road rage is happening all over the country every day, wrong though it may be, this instance of uncontrolled rage is hardly the first, and hardly a black vs hispanic problem. That the people who beat the deceased, beat him without cause we cannot know or say... That they should not have done it, is probably true, and that they took it too far there is no doubt. Having a lil one myself, if someone struck the lil one with a car, than got out and was anything less than extremely concerned or apologetic, he/she would probably see the side of me that would do anything to protect mine.
Anyway, that is my opinion on the matter. M

Editted for the mispelling I just caught... Any more, I'm leaving...

P.S. I've been having difficulty signing on as BLKTALLFULLFIG, so made this ID.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 2:29:11 PM

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Fullfig as a parent i get the whole last part of your post but since the driver got out of his car to check on the kid, and i have to stop here a moment. WTF is a 2 yr odl doing in a parking lot unsupervised in the first place. I knwo shit was goign on but damn as many kids in the last two years have been hit by accident in parking lots because no one was watchign them should have been a wake up call to all parents, older siblings, etc. Now back to what i was saying. The driver got out of the car, did not attempt to leave to scene but i am sure to see what he hit if he didn't see the lil boy and to check on him. When the mob circle dhim he should have gotten back into his car for saftey but i appauld him for standing his ground and for the deceased passenger for comming to his aid. Ten to one the mob all had been drinking and went off in left damn field. And of course only a few may come forward the rest may not even remember what they did why? Because they were drunk and running on adreneline. considering no one was caught i am sure many realized what they had done and scattered like rats from a ship.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 3:48:55 PM

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And, I don't think that lynchings are "hate crimes" per se, the crime itself is the reason for a lynching not someone's race or ethnic makeup.
If this victim hadn't have hit that child with his vehicle I seriously doubt he would have been attacked.

If race is not a factor in lynchings then why are the majority of people lynched, throughout american history, black?

But if this person was of a different race, and hit this child, would he have been attacked?

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 4:08:34 PM

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WTF is a 2 yr odl doing in a parking lot unsupervised in the first place. I knwo shit was goign on but damn as many kids in the last two years have been hit by accident in parking lots because no one was watchign them should have been a wake up call to all parents, older siblings, etc.

i live on a windy road and almost hit a small child who was on a bike swerving into it without even knowing he had to look. i was quite upset and shaken, but also outraged that this parent let her little child on a bike, unsupervised, at risk of being killed. i stopped the car, went over to the child and asked where he lived and spoke to his mother about what happened. She was indignant, and slammed the door in my face. i wasn't mean to her but i thought she ought to know how dangerous that section of road was. In the last year a 20 yr old was killed riding his bike there. i don't know what motivates some parents, it's truly alarming at times.

The parent of that injured child shares some of the responsibility for him/her being struck by that car. i feel for the child, it wasn't protected and suffered harm needlessely. In the interum, a man ws held totally at fault and killed for it - some people just don't think.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 4:21:19 PM

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Well at least no overly sensative parent didn't come after me going on about how hard it is to keep an eye on an active two year old. I am a parent myself andalso from a large family I remember growing up with maybe two or three of the older kids set to watch us or having to police ourselves and we managed to survive. Still times are different and so are people. Nowadays there is no excuse for not keepign your kid within eyesight and arms reach is possible.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 4:30:51 PM

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And, I don't think that lynchings are "hate crimes" per se

Are you suggesting people only lynch people they like, and that lynching is not a crime?

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 4:44:40 PM

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I heard on the news tonight that the earlier news reports were incorrect. Apparently, the attack on the passenger was carried out by 2 or 3 men, not a mob. And there were more like 2 dozen people there, not several hundreds. The police are apparently looking for the 2 or 3 men responsible.

Our lovely media just loves to blow things out of proportion but that's for another thread. The smaller numbers involved don't in any way lessen the atrocity of the crime, but I wish the media would report the truth.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 4:48:12 PM

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the overestimation is probably due to the fact of the juneeth celebration going on down the street and that fact there were aas always probably a good number of people just standign around just watching the beating.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 5:07:45 PM

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I heard on the news tonight that the earlier news reports were incorrect. Apparently, the attack on the passenger was carried out by 2 or 3 men, not a mob. And there were more like 2 dozen people there, not several hundreds. The police are apparently looking for the 2 or 3 men responsible.

Our lovely media just loves to blow things out of proportion but that's for another thread. The smaller numbers involved don't in any way lessen the atrocity of the crime, but I wish the media would report the truth.

lace

Lace, yup, they like to "make" the "News" don't they?

"Child Mowed Down by fiend in car while Neighborhood watches in Horror!"
"Possible shots fired!"
"Black KKK members Lynch Fiend!"
"Hundreds Applaud while Fiend Lynched!"

You can add to those "headlines" I'm sure.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 5:12:07 PM

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And, I don't think that lynchings are "hate crimes" per se

Are you suggesting people only lynch people they like, and that lynching is not a crime?

Sinergy

Sinergy, no, I'm not "suggesting" that.

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RE: Man Lynched in Texas - 6/21/2007 7:49:52 PM

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Fullfig as a parent i get the whole last part of your post but since the driver got out of his car to check on the kid, and i have to stop here a moment. WTF is a 2 yr odl doing in a parking lot unsupervised in the first place.

Even continuously supervised by loved ones, lil ones find a million and one ways to get selves in harm's way, and there is no absolute way to avoid that, without all adults being continually vigilant in car or on foot.

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Now back to what i was saying. The driver got out of the car, did not attempt to leave to scene but i am sure to see what he hit if he didn't see the lil boy and to check on him. When the mob circle dhim he should have gotten back into his car for saftey but i appauld him for standing his ground and for the deceased passenger for comming to his aid. Ten to one the mob...

Actually people like seeing drama. I've been to clubs and on the streets where I'm the only one who calls the police to stop a fight because I don't find it interesting, and I know how fragile human life is. One slap or punch lands the wrong way/at the wrong time in a person's life, and he/she is history. I understand the whole event should not have happened from the start, but perhaps it's not as sensational as it was reported, nor was it meant to become a deadly occurence... Shit went too far unfortunately, and now the survivers will have to answer for homicide and one more human life lost because so many people think losing self control is intersting nowadays, and bad news is the best to report. M

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