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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/22/2007 6:21:17 PM   
themischievous1


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I would let someone run a check on me. I would sit smiling while they let me know how they had found no more than a speeding ticket from 22 years ago. Then I would explain to them how I just couldn't bear the thought of being with a paranoid control freak, and promptly take my leave.

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You obviously must not have children. If you do/did, you would be far more concerned about this issue than you evidently are. Those who do have children who could be exposed to a potential D/s aquaintance, play partner, etc. need to be running criminal history checks and at the very least, checking out said individual in the sex offender data base. Anything less is criminal, in my humble opinion of course.

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/22/2007 7:39:40 PM   
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You guys are getting off the subject with the police stuff. I don't doubt for a minute that a police officer can do a check on anyone he/she wants. However, I don't think a civilian can get meaningful info about someone. I agree with Emperor's point.

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/22/2007 8:54:24 PM   
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Owner of slave L:

You obviously must not have children. If you do/did, you would be far more concerned about this issue than you evidently are. Those who do have children who could be exposed to a potential D/s aquaintance, play partner, etc. need to be running criminal history checks and at the very least, checking out said individual in the sex offender data base. Anything less is criminal, in my humble opinion of course.


Don't have them. Don't want them. Can't stand them.

But regardless of that, I would not tolerate being subjected to a criminal background check if meeting for coffee with a vanilla, and I would not stand for it with someone in the BDSM community either. If they are that paranoid, I would feel that subjecting myself to such a degree of mental instability would be detrimental to my own psyche.

Besides this, it is faulty reasoning. Do you subject your physician to a criminal background check before making an appointment? Do you subject a taxi driver to a check before getting in the cab? Do you dial the police and check the credentials of the postman before opening the door and signing for a package? Do you have the kindergarten teacher screened before dropping your child off the first day of school? What? You don't? What a negligent mother you are to subject your children to such terrible danger!

So please, don't give me this self righteous appeal to the safety of children crap. You are applying a double standard that ignores potential danger in virtually every aspect of your life, but suddenly go holier than thou when it comes to BDSM. What a crock of grade A fertilizer.

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/22/2007 11:17:58 PM   
themischievous1


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But regardless of that, I would not tolerate being subjected to a criminal background check if meeting for coffee with a vanilla, and I would not stand for it with someone in the BDSM community either. If they are that paranoid, I would feel that subjecting myself to such a degree of mental instability would be detrimental to my own psyche.


Actually, in my opinion, it's mentally unstable not to do appropriate due dilligence on that perfect stranger one is letting into their life, accepting everything they say as factual. Yes, that's definitely my definition of insanity these days. And whether or not they're involved in BDSM hasn't got a damn thing to do with it. I would do the same check on any vanilla stranger out there if we were going to be physically intimate and they were going to be anywhere near my child. You wouldn't. I'm glad you have no intention of having children. Faulty judgment doesn't make for good parenting skills.

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Besides this, it is faulty reasoning. Do you subject your physician to a criminal background check before making an appointment? Do you subject a taxi driver to a check before getting in the cab? Do you dial the police and check the credentials of the postman before opening the door and signing for a package? Do you have the kindergarten teacher screened before dropping your child off the first day of school? What? You don't? What a negligent mother you are to subject your children to such terrible danger!


The examples you offer here are absurd and are not applicable to me, however the kindergarden teacher example is applicable. I assure you that I would have the kindergarden teacher checked out if he were male. There are far more male pedophiles out there than female. That is a fact.

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So please, don't give me this self righteous appeal to the safety of children crap. You are applying a double standard that ignores potential danger in virtually every aspect of your life, but suddenly go holier than thou when it comes to BDSM. What a crock of grade A fertilizer.


You assume direct knowledge of my personal actions in regard to my child that you have absolutely no way of knowing anything about. You are generalizing, stereotyping and again assuming that I "go all holier than thou when it comes to BDSM." Again, I do not. I apply the same standard to any vanilla stranger I might interact with in an intimate manner as I would someone into BDSM. I attempt to be cautious and excercise good judgment when it comes to one whom I present as trustworthy to my child. Pedophiles count on attitudes such as yours when they seek out naive single mothers to score with. Your position on this does our community of single mothers no favor and it reeks of haphazard, shoddy, unsafe practice in regard to practicing risk aware consensual kink.

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/22/2007 11:57:18 PM   
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But regardless of that, I would not tolerate being subjected to a criminal background check if meeting for coffee with a vanilla, and I would not stand for it with someone in the BDSM community either. If they are that paranoid, I would feel that subjecting myself to such a degree of mental instability would be detrimental to my own psyche.


Actually, in my opinion, it's mentally unstable not to do appropriate due dilligence on that perfect stranger one is letting into their life, accepting everything they say as factual. Yes, that's definitely my definition of insanity these days. And whether or not they're involved in BDSM hasn't got a damn thing to do with it. I would do the same check on any vanilla stranger out there if we were going to be physically intimate and they were going to be anywhere near my child. You wouldn't. I'm glad you have no intention of having children. Faulty judgment doesn't make for good parenting skills.

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Besides this, it is faulty reasoning. Do you subject your physician to a criminal background check before making an appointment? Do you subject a taxi driver to a check before getting in the cab? Do you dial the police and check the credentials of the postman before opening the door and signing for a package? Do you have the kindergarten teacher screened before dropping your child off the first day of school? What? You don't? What a negligent mother you are to subject your children to such terrible danger!


The examples you offer here are absurd and are not applicable to me, however the kindergarden teacher example is applicable. I assure you that I would have the kindergarden teacher checked out if he were male. There are far more male pedophiles out there than female. That is a fact.

quote:

So please, don't give me this self righteous appeal to the safety of children crap. You are applying a double standard that ignores potential danger in virtually every aspect of your life, but suddenly go holier than thou when it comes to BDSM. What a crock of grade A fertilizer.


You assume direct knowledge of my personal actions in regard to my child that you have absolutely no way of knowing anything about. You are generalizing, stereotyping and again assuming that I "go all holier than thou when it comes to BDSM." Again, I do not. I apply the same standard to any vanilla stranger I might interact with in an intimate manner as I would someone into BDSM. I attempt to be cautious and excercise good judgment when it comes to one whom I present as trustworthy to my child. Pedophiles count on attitudes such as yours when they seek out naive single mothers to score with. Your position on this does our community of single mothers no favor and it reeks of haphazard, shoddy, unsafe practice in regard to practicing risk aware consensual kink.


Get back to me after researching how many teachers and doctors have been brought up on charges for molesting their students and patients. There is nothing absurd about it. Teachers ( even female teachers ) and doctors have been convicted for rape and molestation. It is faulty logic if you make concessions for anyone. You are applying a double standard, by your own admission! I guess that it is naive mothers such as yourself that get their children molested by their pediatricians. Such shoddy, inconsistent, poorly constructed reasoning as your own should be grounds for CPS intervention. I can only hope that someone in your immediate family has the critical, consistent thinking skills to protect your children. It is also painful to observe that you seem to think that your own inept logic skills are somehow more than adequate when even a child could see the gaps in your thinking process. Mental illness resulting in the delusion that a female will not molest ( and you seem to suffer this delusion by pointing out that you would screen a MALE teacher! ) allows people such as Debra Lafave to prey on children. And you still want to pretend that your are consistent in your reasoning? Heaven help your offspring!

Now please excuse me while I shovel this manure. It is beginning to reek with the sharp odor of hypocrisy.

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/22/2007 11:58:26 PM   
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You're right and I apologize for hijacking the thread.  I guess I got kind of carried away.    (waving the white flag of peace.) I concede the battle and hope my big mouth didn't make me any enemies. 

Now you know why my tag line says "awwww hell.....the Queen!"

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/23/2007 12:23:57 AM   
themischievous1


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Get back to me after researching how many teachers and doctors have been brought up on charges for molesting their students and patients. There is nothing absurd about it.

Which entirely proves my point about why criminal background checks upon one's prospective intimate partner should be a given. I already said that I would check out the teacher. Get over yourself. And my child isn't ever alone with the pediatrician. I'm always present during any examination or interaction there.

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Now please excuse me while I shovel this manure. It is beginning to reek with the sharp odor of hypocrisy.

Owner of slave L


I think your nose is hypersensitive to the bullshit you've been spewing earlier, but never mind that, I'll excuse you. Your position is inconsistent, weak, and has no adequate defense. I'm sure you'll desire the last word though...heh. And you may have it if you so desire. Goodnight.

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/23/2007 2:50:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

Get back to me after researching how many teachers and doctors have been brought up on charges for molesting their students and patients. There is nothing absurd about it.

Which entirely proves my point about why criminal background checks upon one's prospective intimate partner should be a given. I already said that I would check out the teacher. Get over yourself. And my child isn't ever alone with the pediatrician. I'm always present during any examination or interaction there.

quote:

Now please excuse me while I shovel this manure. It is beginning to reek with the sharp odor of hypocrisy.

Owner of slave L


I think your nose is hypersensitive to the bullshit you've been spewing earlier, but never mind that, I'll excuse you. Your position is inconsistent, weak, and has no adequate defense. I'm sure you'll desire the last word though...heh. And you may have it if you so desire. Goodnight.


Yes, it is sooooooo inconsistent to demand the same criteria for everyone coming into contact with a child. How silly of me to think otherwise!

Likewise, it is incredibly weak to point out flawed logic and hypocrisy. Guilty as charged.

And finally, the defense of claiming that a female teacher might deserve checking out too is so obviously inadequate that I never should have mentioned it.

Gosh, now that I have been so effortlessly put in my place, I guess that I will hereafter abandon my feeble attempts at applying the same criteria to everyone and just be inconsistently selective like yourself.

Are you sure you don't want to turn your kids over to me to raise for you? I really don't want them, but I am certain that I could at least make sure that they had a blanket of security with fewer gaps in it. Then again, a large fish net could provide more coverage than they seem to have at the moment.

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/23/2007 6:41:08 AM   
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Using fast reply here.....

Just as an aside.........anyone that applies for a position in a school (at least here in Iowa ) is subject to a much more thorough background check by the school system than ANY individual could possibly do. IF someone got by that intense scrutiny they would already have no criminal record for a parent to check. I only know this because a former employee of mine applied to be a janitor at a school and even I was surprised at their thoroughness.

Another thing to consider when talking about male teachers, which I think is rediculous btw, do you also check the other men that work in the school that will have contact with your children? As example....the janitors, principle, bus drivers, etc. And yes, what about the medical professionals?

Or the paperboy, or mailman, or any other number of people that your children are exposed to on a daily basis. From what I understand the person that hurts a child in this way is quite often the last person we expect it to be. A relative, cubscout leader, church personel, etc. The best protection a parent can give a child is education and power, without making them paranoid freaks.



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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/23/2007 11:52:36 AM   
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The devil is in the details...

Reading this thread, I'm seeing three different types of background checks lumped into a term "criminal background checks".  For clarification, let me break it down how I think of it.

criminal background check - Check of NCIS database of reporting states.  This will show any "arrests" as well as any convitions or any time served.  Supposedly, this is only available for official business of the law enforcement community.  Many bail bondsmen and private dectectives have the connections to get access to this as well as criminal attorneys.

Public records check - sites such as KnowX.com and intelius.com will do such a search for a fee.  If it is available as an online database, you can get a record of financial judgements, known addresses and phone numbers, outstanding warrants, etc.

Credit check - Have to be a subscribing financial institution.  Can find out money owed, record of fiscal payments, etc.

If a person is going into a relationship where they are going to be responsible for, or responsible to, the other person; pragmatically you need to know for sure what you are getting yourself into.  There can be surprises.....

From personal experience... my ex wife, after a year of marriage.  I played around with knowx.com when they first were in beta and found out she had a conviction for felony embezzlement.  WTF?  She hadn't mentioned it except to say she got into trouble when she was married to her ex.

Last long term significant other, who was supposed to have been divorced was found to have never divorced her husband.  And, had served a probation sentence for running an escort service decades before.  Also, some drug arrests.

I highly recommend a person get details on anyone they will share finances with.  If things go that far, I would think you have a right to informed consent.

Pragmatically careful,
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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/23/2007 3:12:16 PM   
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So without knowing someone or paying, you really can't find out anything?

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/23/2007 3:17:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Using fast reply here.....

Just as an aside.........anyone that applies for a position in a school (at least here in Iowa ) is subject to a much more thorough background check by the school system than ANY individual could possibly do. IF someone got by that intense scrutiny they would already have no criminal record for a parent to check. I only know this because a former employee of mine applied to be a janitor at a school and even I was surprised at their thoroughness.

Another thing to consider when talking about male teachers, which I think is rediculous btw, do you also check the other men that work in the school that will have contact with your children? As example....the janitors, principle, bus drivers, etc. And yes, what about the medical professionals?

Or the paperboy, or mailman, or any other number of people that your children are exposed to on a daily basis. From what I understand the person that hurts a child in this way is quite often the last person we expect it to be. A relative, cubscout leader, church personel, etc. The best protection a parent can give a child is education and power, without making them paranoid freaks.




LaTigresse, as usual your wisdom shines though with inspiring light. Now, as always, it is a pleasure to read your posts.

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RE: Another Take On Criminal Background Checks - 6/23/2007 5:51:01 PM   
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www.publicdata.com is pretty good....

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