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BBW? - 6/21/2007 6:02:58 AM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		I was reading the BBW thread and checking out a few profiles. It got me to wondering how people make that determination. Is there a certain weight? A certain size? I noticed some people using the term to define themselves that don't seem to be all that "big"....and others who are "bigger" who don't view themselves as such. How does one determine?

The other question that I have about it, is why do people classify or market themselves by this condition? I don't see women with big noses calling themselves BNWs, or women with toenail fungus referring to themselves as TNFWs. I don't see small breasted women pronouncing they are SBWs.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 6:07:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've known an 80lbs girl who thought she was fat.  I've known a 200lbs girl who thought she was thin.  They're more extremes, but, point being, it's pretty much their perception of self.  Unless you pick a BMI cut off or some clothing sizes or simply set a weight or such, it's pretty much up in the air.  And, if you did chose such a system, it'd still pretty much just be your own system- not everyone woman out there would adopt it.  So, pretty much, it's up to them.

How they decide?  Maybe some BBW's and BBW-like individuals might be able to shed some personal light on the subject.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 6:11:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have often wondered the same question.

I suppose it's how they view themselves.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 6:15:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me it is just my own personal assumption and opinion. Some bigger girls do not consider themselves "big" and some are offended by it. I think it is the person themselves own opinion of themselves. God, I hope this doesn't turn into another fat thread.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 6:18:34 AM   
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God, I hope this doesn't turn into another fat thread.


I hope not too. I don't mean it to be about fat, I edited my OP to ask further questions. It is about how and why women attach such a label to themselves.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 6:24:14 AM   
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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 7:13:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ha!  Great topic, erin, and I agree with your confusion (for lack of a better word).  I just identify as me. 

I suppose I could speculate on it - and I'd agree with what others have said about self perception.  I've had people tell me I'm too fat and others tell me "You've got to be kidding - you are SO not too fat!"   There are also some who take pride in identifying as such and make a statement with it.  There are also those who put it out there to fend off anyone who isn't interested in someone overweight.  In my unowned and insecure days, it was pretty painful to start opening up to someone and feeling vulnerable, only to hear "You're too fat for me" after I had already begun turning toward someone.  Not everyone is so pleasant in how they put things, and some men not only don't prefer fat, they have a disdain for it, which I find interesting.  So I think some women put it out there so men of that nature don't even bother contacting them.

I've gone up and down the scale over the years.  Personally, I don't identify myself according to a scale.  There is so much more to me than what size I wear, so I wouldn't want to limit myself that way.  I am "me."  When my Master got to know me I was higher up on the scale than I am now.  He was interested in my heart and mind, and found my body appealing enough to use.  Now we're working on sliding me down that scale.  I'd hate to be changing my profile to keep it current with my scale!

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 7:33:43 AM   
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Personally, I don't identify myself according to a scale.  There is so much more to me than what size I wear, so I wouldn't want to limit myself that way.  I am "me." 


See that is along the lines I was thinking. To term oneself as "(insert label here)" seems limiting. When I see people making such pronouncements I wonder if that is what is to them, the most important identifying quality of who they are. A physical attribute or deficit seems so minute in the big picture of all that makes up a person. I can't imagine identifying as a Red Headed, Freckle Faced Woman as if it was some big, important means of determining who I am. 

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 7:47:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I was reading the BBW thread and checking out a few profiles. It got me to wondering how people make that determination. Is there a certain weight? A certain size? I noticed some people using the term to define themselves that don't seem to be all that "big"....and others who are "bigger" who don't view themselves as such. How does one determine?

The other question that I have about it, is why do people classify or market themselves by this condition? I don't see women with big noses calling themselves BNWs, or women with toenail fungus referring to themselves as TNFWs. I don't see small breasted women pronouncing they are SBWs.


erin, and for anyone else who is curious,

The term BBW came about in response to cultural and societal anti-fat sentiment/bigotry/prejudice as a way of encouraging fat-acceptance within society and to give BBWs a tool, if you will, to encourage them to reject society's view that fat=ugly and see the beauty within themselves. If a woman uses that acronym to describe herself, it only means that she views herself as Big & Beautiful. It does not mean that anyone else has to personally agree with her. And to my knowledge, the term itself is not meant to represent any particular range of fatness...although some people have tweaked the term to better suit their needs, ie: SBBW - to designate those who consider themselves to be super-sized.

Now, I certainly hope this is not going to become yet another anti-fat thread...but I think I see the writing on the wall.


MNN

P.S. If big-nosed or small-breasted women want to adopt a similar type acronym for similar purposes, I say more power to `em!!

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 7:48:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't use the term myself, but I think it goes more onto overall body look- because my body is very well proportioned and I can hide a lot of weight on it, I can definitely look less fat than I am.

And people use the term I think the same reason every group of people takes on a name for themselves- it's a way to claim it for themselves and use it as a source of pride and strength, rather than having it used against them as a weapon or degrading term.

While I certainly do think people should love themselves no matter what condition they are in and not let the prejudices of the world get them down, I don't consider fat and unhealthy itself to be something to celebrate or be proud over.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 7:48:17 AM   
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This thread made me remember a poem by one of my favourite modern poets, John Hegley -
 
Peace
the.dark.

quote:

I said Pat
you are fat
and you are cataclysmically desirable
and to think I used to think
that slim was where it's at
well not any more Pat
you've changed that
and love yourself
and flatter yourself
and shatter their narrow image of the erotic
and Pat said
"what do you mean FAT?"



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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 7:51:13 AM   
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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 8:00:41 AM   
MistressNoName


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Status: offline 		LA said:

quote:

I don't consider fat and unhealthy itself to be something to celebrate or be proud over.


Perhaps I misunderstood you, if so, please clarify. Fat does not necessarily equal unhealthy. Some people are fat and have health problems, some of which may be exacerbated by being overweight or obese. Some people are fat and are very healthy. Likewise, some thin people have more health problems than many fat people.

Also, the term BBW does not encourage unhealthy states. In fact, NAAFA, possibly the organization that maybe coined the term, and was certainly instrumental in popularizing it's usage, NEVER encourages people to be unhealthy. Individuals are encouraged to do whatever they need to do to remain healthy or to achieve optimum health. It is simply not true, tho, that a person must necessarily be thin in order to be healthy. And just because a person uses the term BBW, does not necessarily mean that that person's health is compromised in any way.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 8:06:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think, in the on-line world, some use bbw so that it is made clear they are fat chicks.  and i suppose some use it to state that they consider themselves beautiful, even thought they are fat.  i despise that term

body image is in the mind.........that may explain why some you find large dont think they are-and some who are not large think they are.

before i joined the army, i did a lot of speed and lost down to about 125.....when i looked in the mirror, i saw hot sex goddess....then someone took a pic of me and i saw way too clearly defined collar bone, kneecaps that bulged out-and i went arghhhhhh. i looked horrible.

same now that im fat.....i basically see the same person in the mirror now, and i see a pic and go arggghhhhh-lol.

the mind....a scary place somedays....in my world anyhow.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 8:06:39 AM   
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And really, I'd say 90% of fat people are less healthy than they should be.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 8:07:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Oh Erin
This thread made me remember a poem by one of my favourite modern poets, John Hegley -
 
Peace
the.dark.

quote:

I said Pat
you are fat
and you are cataclysmically desirable
and to think I used to think
that slim was where it's at
well not any more Pat
you've changed that
and love yourself
and flatter yourself
and shatter their narrow image of the erotic
and Pat said
"what do you mean FAT?"




hahaha that made me giggle....thanks

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 8:07:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressNoName
It is simply not true, tho, that a person must necessarily be thin in order to be healthy.


No, it's not. But it is true that there are a myriad of health risks that are directly related to obesity.

But.....that is not what this thread is about. There are a gajillion other threads to discuss the pros/cons of being overweight or what anyone's personal opinion is of those who are overweight. I really have no interest in any of that. I am seeking to find out what the qualifiers are for the use of the label and why people choose to use it as a means of identifying who they are.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 8:09:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
But.....that is not what this thread is about. There are a gajillion other threads to discuss the pros/cons of being overweight or what anyone's personal opinion is of those who are overweight. I really have no interest in any of that. I am seeking to find out what the qualifiers are for the use of the label and why people choose to use it as a means of identify who they are.


Sorry if my post spurns a misdirection.  I really was only trying to explain how/why I see people use the term and thus as an explanation of why I do NOT use it.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 8:10:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
Personally, I don't identify myself according to a scale.  There is so much more to me than what size I wear, so I wouldn't want to limit myself that way.  I am "me." 


See that is along the lines I was thinking. To term oneself as "(insert label here)" seems limiting. When I see people making such pronouncements I wonder if that is what is to them, the most important identifying quality of who they are. A physical attribute or deficit seems so minute in the big picture of all that makes up a person. I can't imagine identifying as a Red Headed, Freckle Faced Woman as if it was some big, important means of determining who I am. 


I know someone(s) are going to get angry and flame me for this but oh well. The part that confuses me is using the 'beautiful' bit. NOT BECAUSE YOU CANT BE FAT AND BEAUTIFUL but because like the red-headed-freckle-faced-woman is different from beautiful-red-headed-freckle-faced-woman.
It is off setting to me, it seems like bragging in your face look at me I'm beautiful. It becomes an empty word to me when it is used so often. Kinda like SuperDuperHighIQDom or MagnificentMasterOfAll.
There is so much more to a person than their weight or lack of weight.
Ugh I hope no one yells at me.

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RE: BBW? - 6/21/2007 8:10:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I was reading the BBW thread and checking out a few profiles. It got me to wondering how people make that determination. Is there a certain weight? A certain size? I noticed some people using the term to define themselves that don't seem to be all that "big"....and others who are "bigger" who don't view themselves as such. How does one determine?

The other question that I have about it, is why do people classify or market themselves by this condition? I don't see women with big noses calling themselves BNWs, or women with toenail fungus referring to themselves as TNFWs. I don't see small breasted women pronouncing they are SBWs.


Erin:

Actually, if you browse the forums (these and others like it) and really look at names, you will find that people identify by all sorts of varying aspects when they choose a nick.  Some do use physical features, hair color, personality traits, professions, sexual orientations, race.  We see names like "ShortandSweet", or "RedheadedBiCurious" or "BlackDom4U" or "BigBodaciousBlonde", "SassyBrunette", etc

However, heavier women may be putting "bbw" in their name to weed out those who may have a problem with it.  There are many  profiles that specify "slim", or "in shape" only.   They even have an acronym for it now HWP---height weight proportionate---Its seems to be the new PC way of saying "Im not interested in an overweight person".  

I also get the sense (and I am hoping against hope this wont be taken offensively) that there is almost a "BBW Movement" of sorts the past few years,  and alot of larger sized ladies are now coming out and almost celebrating it, like "gay pride" and the like.   That could have something to do with the flood of BBW names too.


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