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queencaliph -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/22/2007 11:46:10 PM)

For me, I like the whole rose complete with the thorns.  I want a sub/slave who is a friend, lover and more. 



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 12:06:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: queencaliph

For me, I like the whole rose complete with the thorns.  I want a sub/slave who is a friend, lover and more. 


Dearest queencaliph,

Thank You Ma'am, the consensus so far is inclusive of the entirety of the rose,
which i honestly admit is contrary to what i thought the flow would be. Just
when a boy thinks he has something figured out, They go and pull the rug
out from under his assuredness. And i might add, drink Merlot and giggle
as his misconceptions fall by the wayside. Interesting. Thank You again.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)   



Politesub53 -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 3:53:59 AM)

Good morning Chia, i have always viewed D/s as a relationship like any other, a mental meeting of two like minded people. A mixture of a vanilla relationship, encompassed within the D/s one. Being able to gently glide from A to B and back again, yet always knowing and embracing the perameters between Domme and submissive. being able to be friends and maybe even lovers, yet not losing sight of the Mistress/pet dynamic.
As long as one has the right heart and spirit, a vanilla sprinkling should be fine.
[;)]



LadyPact -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 5:24:24 AM)

It may be a bit early in the morning for Me to get a proper understanding, chia.  I hope My input in this will make some sense.
 
For the analogy, I can't say there is a preference to one over the other.  I look at it the same way as the hypothetical rose.  The stem with the thorns might actually be fun to play with for a while, but at the same time, I would know the beauty of the flower is missing.  The same with having just the blossom.  Cut off the entire stem, and the illusion of beauty falls apart, with no structure to keep it in tact.
 
The rose, just like a D/s relationship, must have all of it's parts to thrive.  The harsh thorns, the delicate petals, the green of the leaves, and the structure of the stem.  Even the nourishment and growth that isn't apparent to the naked eye, is within.  All of the pieces make up the whole.  It's just My personal opinion, but I would rather have the rose in it's entirety.
 



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 6:07:55 AM)

Morning mate,

As for my own understanding thus far in my travels, though aware of the D/s
relationship which mirrored it's vanilla counterpart, my conversations and
study have centered on a distinct difference that separates the Dominant
well above the submissive to assure that the respect and surrender to Power
does not become diluted with vanilla idiosyncrasies. This is why i presented
my query, i was finding a vast acceptance of just the opposite here within
the forums. i still wonder myself though, if the dynamic is not in some way
affected by the feelings and emotions which accompany such. Will loving
one so deeply affect how one approaches Their need to exert authority.
And will the submissive at some point use this knowledge to change the
dynamic, being aware of the care and love which is felt for them? Again,
i find the general flow towards the more vanilla inclusion very interesting.
i'm still waiting to perhaps hear from one whom adheres to an appetite
which finds purpose among the thorns, i know They must exist. Thanks
for sharing PS, enjoy the fresh morning air, and the calm it brings.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 6:28:48 AM)

Dearest LadyPact,

My but the Lady waxes poetic and romantic in the eary hours! i am compelled
to rush into the garden and thrust a rose between my teeth, dancing in spirals
about You as violins fill the crisp morning air. i am beginning to see a need and
desire among the masses for complete access to the all the emotions and feelings
which reflect the vanilla relationships in our lives. i suppose one could also
desire and require both to satisfy the need for love and the need to Dominate.
Of course if one cut off the entire stem and the thorns contained on such, the
remaining blossom would show beauty parallel to vanilla love, but the need
to address the thorns would be lost. So You are correct that the structure of
the rose must remain intact for it to exist at all, no matter which part is adored
above the other. Thank You for sharing Your thoughts and morning coffee with
me. i am only on my third cup, at least three more to go. Caffine is my cocaine!
The chia* pet resumes dancing about You, gracefully bowing and gliding with
rose in tow.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)



asubmissiveheart -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 7:03:44 AM)

In my relationships, I have always had to take the rose and thorns.
D/s relationships can thrive and grow in the vanilla world, as long as both partners
realize that ultimately they are in a D/s relationship.

In other words, normally the Dominant partner is in charge in a real and committed relationship.

If that is not the case, then you are  a vanilla couple that enjoys playing BDSM games when it suits you.
There are many vanilla couples that play with sex toys and whips, without the real transfer of power, you
are just playing games.
There is nothing wrong with Tops and bottoms, but that is not a Dominant/submissive couple.



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 8:20:18 AM)

asubmissiveheart,

You bring up a very good point, though sometimes presented and desired to be
identified as a genuine D/s relationship, play also seems a higher priority in some
relationships, than does the need for consistent surrender and obedience to Power.
i suppose one could think of these relationships in terms of an artificial rose.
Though i am sure some would argue the point that even their play feeds need
and desire. Here however, i am thinking in terms of a full devotion to the Dominant/
submissive relationship beyond temporary satisfactions. Thank you for sharing.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)




MistressDolly -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 8:27:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

As for my own understanding thus far in my travels, though aware of the D/s
relationship which mirrored it's vanilla counterpart, my conversations and
study have centered on a distinct difference that separates the Dominant
well above the submissive to assure that the respect and surrender to Power
does not become diluted with vanilla idiosyncrasies. This is why i presented
my query, i was finding a vast acceptance of just the opposite here within
the forums. i still wonder myself though, if the dynamic is not in some way
affected by the feelings and emotions which accompany such. Will loving
one so deeply affect how one approaches Their need to exert authority.
And will the submissive at some point use this knowledge to change the
dynamic, being aware of the care and love which is felt for them? Again,
i find the general flow towards the more vanilla inclusion very interesting.
i'm still waiting to perhaps hear from one whom adheres to an appetite
which finds purpose among the thorns, i know They must exist. Thanks
for sharing PS, enjoy the fresh morning air, and the calm it brings.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)


Why hello again, dearest chia :)

Exerting authority is loving (v). It is, in my view, a man's proper place to serve under a Woman's firm, yet loving hand. And perhaps contrary to public consensus, emotions and commitments do help to foster, not diminish, viable D/s relationships, albeit sweet and relaxing relationships or cold and cruel relationships (or good mixture of the two).



MistressDolly -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 8:28:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: asubmissiveheart

In my relationships, I have always had to take the rose and thorns.
D/s relationships can thrive and grow in the vanilla world, as long as both partners
realize that ultimately they are in a D/s relationship.

In other words, normally the Dominant partner is in charge in a real and committed relationship.

If that is not the case, then you are  a vanilla couple that enjoys playing BDSM games when it suits you.
There are many vanilla couples that play with sex toys and whips, without the real transfer of power, you
are just playing games.
There is nothing wrong with Tops and bottoms, but that is not a Dominant/submissive couple.


I agree with you.



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/23/2007 8:58:04 AM)

Dearest MistressDolly,

Hello again indeed! Ma'am, (spelled correctly) :-)

Yes, on the surface, the responses have forwarded a desire to possess it ALL,
the exchange of Power, the surrender of obedience, and the love and caring
associated with vanilla relationships. i will admit to being soothed by such, my
own misconceptions having given me pause as to my approach in conjunction
with D/s relationships. i can submit to Her requirements, yield to Her authority,
serve Her with passionate purpose, and have allowance to love and be loved in
return. The rose is in bloom, fine turning Her garden, understanding wafts in
and around my head, the scent of which reveals much adored beauty. Thank
You MistressDolly, for coming in and out of my life. She's there, She's gone,
and a boy ponders within the garden.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet) 



MsRose -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 12:19:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

to love and be loved in
return.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet) 


I remember that song...
And then one day
A magic day he passed my way
And while we spoke of many things
Fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return"

edited to add, slippery when wet.



Politesub53 -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 1:38:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Will loving
one so deeply affect how one approaches Their need to exert authority.
And will the submissive at some point use this knowledge to change the
dynamic, being aware of the care and love which is felt for them?

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)


Good morning Chia....Flip the above statement on its head. Being as love and submissiveness are two powerful emotions, would one try twice as hard, since there is twice as much to lose ?

i think at some level, if you see someone on a regular basis, there is always an attachment of sorts, for if not, why would you return ?  And i dont mean love in this instance, just simply looking forward to seeing someone who undertsands how ones mind works ?
The first Domme who understands how mine works wins a free bar of chocolate. [;)]



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 9:49:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Will loving
one so deeply affect how one approaches Their need to exert authority.
And will the submissive at some point use this knowledge to change the
dynamic, being aware of the care and love which is felt for them?

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)


Good morning Chia....Flip the above statement on its head. Being as love and submissiveness are two powerful emotions, would one try twice as hard, since there is twice as much to lose ?

i think at some level, if you see someone on a regular basis, there is always an attachment of sorts, for if not, why would you return ?  And i dont mean love in this instance, just simply looking forward to seeing someone who undertsands how ones mind works ?
The first Domme who understands how mine works wins a free bar of chocolate. [;)]


Hi PS,

i do agree that one will return even if just a fetish or need is met in the physical
sense, and sometimes just an exchange of thoughts within simple communication
can be cherished as glorious, as you point out, looking forward to sharing with
someone whom understands how you feel within.

i suppose what i wrote there, was my questioning that with the addition of love,
the love most associated within vanilla relationships, the dynamic may change
in that a Dominant may hesitate in Their requirements, perhaps easing up on
Their own needs, and a submissive might recognize such hesitation, either
finding weakness in the dynamic, or using said hesitation to their own advantage.

For example, if a Dominant finds great pleasure in flogging Their submissive to
the point of tears, will Their deep love for Their submissive give pause to causing
such pain, thereby interrupting the dynamic in it's purity? Will the submissive
recognize this pause and use such to control the intensity of the flogging, realizing
that their tears now not only hold pleasure for their Dominant, but also become
a controlling factor to the intensity of the flogging, because they sense also that
the love their Dominant feels for them may in fact now cause pain to the Dominant
Themselves during the application of said desires? Does love change the dynamic?

i am admittedly a boy with many questions in my head and heart concerning those
things which i find along the way in my exploration. The seeds of my submissive
nature were planted long ago, taking strong root that i would always feel such as
i grew older. The long interruption which found me shoulder to shoulder with
the vanilla world and it's incorrect correctness is suddenly gone, but yet i find
strong traces of such even here, though i am not really sure exactly what my
expectations are, or should be, or if i should expect anything of it at all. i know
what i am, why i have come, and have tried to keep my perspective on a page
of reality. i have not ventured to many places, my own fault i know, but i also
found endless images and ideology which did not fit my own sense of self, thus
i tended to back off on the whole exploration journey. i have found both the
existence of vanilla flavoring, and the denial of such depending on destination.

Another example is the posting of littlesarbonn on another thread in the forums.
A beautifully written and guiding inspiration for submissives to consider. In
retrospect, i found myself realizing that "i" was "that boy" in my studies at
MystressWorld. It is expected, plain and simple, rules are rules, to be obeyed,
anything less can and will lead to dismissal. Then i ventured here, and not to say
that protocol goes out the window in the forums, but i did take notice of a more
relaxed, less strict, "vanilla added" type of exchange. Hey, give a boy some
candy and "bam", sugar overload has him bouncing off the walls. Perhaps it was
just pent up need to vent meets opportunity of eased restrictions, allowing that
badboy in me to kick up a little dust. Yeah, it felt good, but the coming down
from a sugar high isn't so great i must say. i tasted vanilla and i liiiiiiked it, never
considering the aftermath of over-indulging.

Sorry if i'm rambling here, don't mean to. All this said, i simply wonder what
effect the merging of vanilla into D/s relationships ultimately has. Forgive me
my inexperience in dealing with such, i learn as i go, hopefully more enlightened
of those whom generously share of their knowledge. Yes Ladies and germs,
someone is always looking and listening, eyes wide open, as the teachers teach.

Have a great day politesub, thanks for coming on aboard and stirring thoughts.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet) 



Politesub53 -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 12:32:44 PM)

chia, i fully understand what you are saying about the dynamics changing. i would assume that for some Dominas the dynamics may change a little, yet for others, loving a submissive may make the dynamics more intense. Hopefully one will always be able to find the correct balance between the two, or should i say the balance in that particular relationship.
In the short time i have been posting here, i have come to see just about everything has some degree of fluidity. This will alter from person to person, relationship to relationship. Nothing is right or wrong, and what is right or wrong is subject to change with the next relationship anyhow.
The more i know, the less i know, so to speak. All we can do is look at what it right for us, at that given moment, and be flexible enough to change when the time is right.
i could see a situation when the Dominant and submissive incorporate a more vanilla setting. The Dominant thinks maybe i shouldn`t hit him/her quite as hard as i can`t bear to see him/her in pain. Then the submissive says... i`m off as You are no longer Dominant enough.
i would imagine that some submissives learn things from one Domina that need to be unlearned for the next.
[;)]

Edited for spelling by the......err.. sub editor <  Smirks a little >



ocilla -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 1:11:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPactThe rose, just like a D/s relationship, must have all of it's parts to thrive.  The harsh thorns, the delicate petals, the green of the leaves, and the structure of the stem.  Even the nourishment and growth that isn't apparent to the naked eye, is within. 


As a hardcore greenie - I like this analysis.  A Rose is procreation portion of the plant - the thorns a functional protective and climbing feature, the stem and roots a nutrient distribution system, the leaves respiration and photosynthesis and the rose hip the fruit and seed.  It takes a bit of it all to thrive.  You can cut a long stem rose and have the petals, horns, stems and leaves for a short time. But the living thriving plant as  a whole is much more interesting and full in my opinion.

And to take the idea  futher still - care and nurturing of a rose bush is no simple act.  Most are carefully constructed hybrids bred for special qualities and require fertilization, proper amounts of sun, water, soild amendments, pruning and even dead heading - actually removing the flowers to improve growth.

And finally - the last analogy of vanilla - I find this such an odd choice of words for the non kinky.  Vanilla is the seed pod of a wildly frangrant tropical and exotic orchid that is found in places like Madegascar and Columbia.  There are little twisted old ladies in the far away places (who often go by the title madame I might add) who hold dear the secrets of ripening and fermenting vanilla pods to bring out the full aroma and volatile oils.  There is nothing simple or regular about vanilla - it is wild, mysterious and amazing in reality.  No wonder you liked the taste.  It is cherished by the masses precisely because of its precious sweet flavor and deep frangrance.

Not that any of this is particularly useful to your original question - but I guess my point is that nothing is as simple as it may first appear.  And I for one find full complex systems, processes, relatioships and people more fascinating and rich and challenging. YUM!



SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 2:14:31 PM)

quote:

For example, if a Dominant finds great pleasure in flogging Their submissive to the point of tears, will Their deep love for Their submissive give pause to causing such pain, thereby interrupting the dynamic in it's purity? Will the submissive recognize this pause and use such to control the intensity of the flogging, realizing
that their tears now not only hold pleasure for their Dominant, but also become a controlling factor to the intensity of the flogging, because they sense also that the love their Dominant feels for them may in fact now cause pain to the Dominant Themselves during the application of said desires? Does love change the dynamic?


I wanted to address this specific part of another of your post chia from my personal perspective. As strange as it may seem, I am able to take my sadistic actions to far deeper levels when love is a part of the dichotomy. Perhaps it is the knowledge of there being a full acceptance towards who and what I am on the part of the loving submissive. That they love, embrace and accept my sadistic side as much as they do the rest of me as a whole. This in turn frees me to take things further than what I would with someone I don't have that connection with.

I've stated many times before that casual play does little for me. While nice in a momentary way, it leaves a feeling of something being missing in the end. What's missing (for me) is that powerful connection and flow of energy between two people that know and understand one another at a depth that can't be compared to casual play.



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 2:37:54 PM)

Hi PS,

Everytime i see your avatar i want to run off for a coffee! i'm in caffeine overload
here my man. i suppose the scales of the relationship could tip either way
depending on the individuals and how they equate the strength of the dynamic
within the bounds of their love. i hope to one day experience such intensity
as it is combined within love and a solid D/s relationship. (sigh)

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 2:46:15 PM)

Dearest ocilla,

Ma'am, and i mean this in the most respectful sense, though it may sound
other than such. This is perhaps the closest i've come to a brain orgasm
in a very, very long time. i shall forever enjoy the essence of vanilla as an
entirely different experience from this moment on. Twisted Ladies eh?
Thank You for Your beautiful and descriptive thoughts of wisdom.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)



chiaThePet -> RE: If i Presented A Rose Before You........ (6/24/2007 3:05:48 PM)

Dearest Ms Jo,

What You have said here of course makes very good sense. If the love is deep
and strong enough, it will allow perhaps even more than mere acquaintance
shall. After all, stories are endless concerning what individuals will do for love.
Fortunate is the boy Ma'am, fortunate indeed.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet) 



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