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slaveluci -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 6:13:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists it would indeed be pointless to try and communicate with the emotions raging so intensely My emotions are not raging so intensely that I can't communicate. I think I've communicated quite clearly how I feel about what you've said. I simply am not going to go through that last post point by point because it's obvious you didn't pay much attention to exactly what I had previously said. For instance, I never said it's impossible for me to disobey. I said I don't disobey often or intentionally and I hope I never do. I never said I don't suffer very real consequences when I DO disobey. I have and I'm sure I will continue to do so. I simply said that my Master has stated in no uncertain terms that I am not going to be released no matter what I do. Of course none of us can predict the future. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow or a nuclear bomb could drop and do away with us all. He is simply saying that if both of our lives continue and our relationship stays as healthy and wonderful as it is (even if disobedience does occur) that He will never choose to release me. Why is that so fantastical to believe? quote: Unforturnately, I understand all to well..... good luck and hopefully reality will be gentle to you as the new relationship energy dissipates. I suspect it just might be... for behaviors that you demonstrate already... committment! Thank you for saying that. I'm going to pretend it wasn't said with any sarcasm[;)]. I hate that this debate devolved into angry words because I don't think that accomplishes anything. When I made the first post on this thread, I was speaking only of my own relationship and it bothered me a bit when I felt like Kyra may have thought I was speaking for her. I didn't apologize for self-serving reasons. I did it because I am actively trying to work on not making assumptions and judgments about others' ways of doing things. I've learned alot over the past 14 months and I admit still have a long way to go. It's been hard to be totally accepting of everyone and everything and I still fail miserably at that sometimes. I've really been nearly obsessed lately with trying to be open-minded and trying to keep others mindful that I expect them to be the same way toward me. To see my own relationship questioned or labeled in what I feel are unfair ways is obviously going to be upsetting. Thus my tone and less than polite words. Sarcasm is a hard habit for me to break, for sure. Anyway, I regret that my "innocent" post led to a debate that got so off track and so nasty. Truce..............slave luci

ownedgirlie -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 6:15:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie If a slave Master is training professes a deep desire to serve but does little to show it by her conduct (obeying, consistent lack of focus, mouthing off, etc.), she will most certainly begin her path to the exit door. yes... in short.. "disobedience CAN negate ownership" pity the person that believes otherwise. In most cases it does, certainly in mine. For some it depends on the level of disobedience. I used to believe otherwise; I was wrong. And no matter what anyone told me at the time, I was still wrong. Life teaches us the lessons we must learn. But then in my situation, he wants me as a slave, not a girlfriend, partner, wife, etc. (there are differences for him). I've seen questions posed about being together if one of the parties went "vanilla." Many would stay together, so perhaps for some, obedience doesn't matter at all. Since Master has no use for a slave who doesn't obey, and he wants me as a slave, living as anything but an obedient slave would make me an unownedgirlie. [8D]

kyraofMists -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 6:17:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mmsprecious it was not deliberate. i don't like punishment - floggings and such are a reward not a punishment. the meds are fairly new and i HAD been doing well but broke routine. i know...it's no excuse. Master Mike's precious Routine is critical for me at certain times of the day, the morning being most important. I swear there are days that I would forget my head if it wasn't attached. He knows how important certain parts of my routine are and helps me keep them (but he will also change them at his whim too g). Making a new behavior a habit generally takes about 30 days of repeating that behavior. There have been many good suggestions on how to remind yourself to do a behavior in this thread. When I was on a lot of medicine I used a pill box; it was very useful. I would not remember if I took my medicine that day, but knew that if the box was empty then I had already taken it. Also the number of new behaviors that you are learning will have an impact on how quickly you will incorporate these behaviors into your daily life. If you are changing other behaviors at the same time, it is going to be more difficult to make the behavior change to taking pills daily. Just something to think about... Knight's Kyra

KnightofMists -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 6:33:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists it would indeed be pointless to try and communicate with the emotions raging so intensely My emotions are not raging so intensely that I can't communicate. I think I've communicated quite clearly how I feel about what you've said. I simply am not going to go through that last post point by point because it's obvious you didn't pay much attention to exactly what I had previously said. For instance, I never said it's impossible for me to disobey. I said I don't disobey often or intentionally and I hope I never do. I never said I don't suffer very real consequences when I DO disobey. I have and I'm sure I will continue to do so. I never said you don't... quote: I simply said that my Master has stated in no uncertain terms that I am not going to be released no matter what I do. my point that the above idea is a Romantic BS... as I said before... Unlimited behaviors with LIMITED Negative Consequences. a more accurate statement "I will NEVER be released as long as I interact and behavior in the manner that established the relationship in the first place" To state that one will never be Released regardless of behaviors is foolhardy at best... quote: Of course none of us can predict the future. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow or a nuclear bomb could drop and do away with us all. He is simply saying that if both of our lives continue and our relationship stays as healthy and wonderful as it is (even if disobedience does occur) that He will never choose to release me. Why is that so fantastical to believe? because that is not what you are saying... you saying you can behave any way without the ulitmate consequence of release.. and that is just BS. quote: quote: Unforturnately, I understand all to well..... good luck and hopefully reality will be gentle to you as the new relationship energy dissipates. I suspect it just might be... for behaviors that you demonstrate already... committment! Thank you for saying that. I'm going to pretend it wasn't said with any sarcasm[;)]. you don't have to pretend.. there was no sarcasm... The concept you spout is foolhardy... but your commitment to your Master is not. quote: I hate that this debate devolved into angry words because I don't think that accomplishes anything. When I made the first post on this thread, I was speaking only of my own relationship and it bothered me a bit when I felt like Kyra may have thought I was speaking for her. I didn't apologize for self-serving reasons. I did it because I am actively trying to work on not making assumptions and judgments about others' ways of doing things. I've learned alot over the past 14 months and I admit still have a long way to go. It's been hard to be totally accepting of everyone and everything and I still fail miserably at that sometimes. I've really been nearly obsessed lately with trying to be open-minded and trying to keep others mindful that I expect them to be the same way toward me. To see my own relationship questioned or labeled in what I feel are unfair ways is obviously going to be upsetting. Thus my tone and less than polite words. Sarcasm is a hard habit for me to break, for sure. Anyway, I regret that my "innocent" post led to a debate that got so off track and so nasty. Truce..............slave luci I hold no negative emotions on this discussion. I speak to a concept that you spout... a concept that I think is dangerous to a relationship being successful in the long-term. 14 months.. must seem like heaven... and when you get to 14 years... hopefully it is still heaven... I know it was for Alandra and I. We approaching the aniversary of the day we met... 20 years this June 30. Let me tell you .. it has been incredible... In the beginning it was indeed this will go forever... We never had any struggles or relationship crisis in all our years together.... However, with the relationship Maturing.. It was long to realize that we are not going to be together forever without effort... we just can't float along and expect it to stay together. We can't just do whatever and expect we will stay together. There is alot of relationships that do... fact of the matter is..... there is no consequence that a relationship is protected again if we think we can do whatever. The funny think is ... it's not the big disobedience that kill a relationship.. it's that slow washing of the Mountain that wears it down... alittle here.. alittle there.. and then people wake up one day and wonder what is going on. I speak much about Power Enhancement Relationships... it's as much about maintaining what is wonderful about a relationship as it is about growing it and the people within it.

slaveluci -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 6:39:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie If a slave Master is training professes a deep desire to serve but does little to show it by her conduct (obeying, consistent lack of focus, mouthing off, etc.), she will most certainly begin her path to the exit door. yes... in short.. "disobedience CAN negate ownership" pity the person that believes otherwise. In most cases it does, certainly in mine. For some it depends on the level of disobedience. I used to believe otherwise; I was wrong. And no matter what anyone told me at the time, I was still wrong. Life teaches us the lessons we must learn. But then in my situation, he wants me as a slave, not a girlfriend, partner, wife, etc. (there are differences for him). I've seen questions posed about being together if one of the parties went "vanilla." Many would stay together, so perhaps for some, obedience doesn't matter at all. Since Master has no use for a slave who doesn't obey, and he wants me as a slave, living as anything but an obedient slave would make me an unownedgirlie. [8D] Ownedgirlie, I agree that "disobedience CAN negate ownership." I would simply add that it doesn't necessarily do so. My Master wants me as a slave too and He can rest assured that's what He'll always have. Going "vanilla" is not something that's likely to happen to either of us. Obedience is vital to our relationship. He would be the first to say that He owns an extremely obedient slave in me. The issue that has seemed to be so divisive here is that He has made it clear to me that I am His property permanently. If I were to suddenly become very disobedient for some strange reason, His answer would not be to release me or make me unowned. It would be to do whatever it takes to get back on the same page, so to speak, and get obedience as the norm again. I can clearly see how telling a slave you are never going to release them could lead to trouble. A slave who was unscrupulous, manipulative or insincere would take that as a license to act like hell and still feel assured their place was secure. My Master KNOWS beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am not that way. He knows that even unintentional disobedience hurts me because disappointing Him hurts me. He feels comfortable and confident in the knowledge that my behavior is always going to remain such that release won't need to be contemplated. Thus when He declares that release is not an option or something I have to fear, He is 99.9% certain of that. There's a wise slave who posts on another board who said something like this: At some point, it finally sank into her head that she was never going anywhere. That she was owned as property and no matter how she might feel like rebelling or acting out due to fear, it wasn't going to change her circumstances. Only when she came to and settled into that realization, was she truly internally enslaved. Release was not ever going to be an option and if she chose to be disobedient, her life was going to get difficult until she decided to behave and make it easier. That has always stuck with me and that is the way my relationship is. It's not that Master wants a disobedient slave. It's that He will own me for good and if I was to become disobedient, measures would be taken to correct that as release is not going to be the solution.........slave luci

MistressNoName -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 6:50:17 PM)
I have not read this entire thread. I got stuck on the idea of forgetting as disobedience. I think for some people forgetting just happens and I don't consider it disobedience...additionally, I think it rather "ball-sy" for any dom to treat it as such...as they (doms) occasionally forget just like subs do. We are human, after all. And what, pray tell, would be the dom's "punishment" for forgetting something? They would expect, no doubt, to simply be forgiven...or else, for the incident to simply pass unnoticed. I speak from personal experience here. I have already said elsewhere I started in this life as sub...and I served a dom who on a few occasions forgot that he had said a certain thing to me. The first time it happened, and he insisted I was remembering things incorrectly, I assumed he was right and I was wrong. The next time, I paid closer attention and I knew I was not wrong. After that, I no longer simply accepted or assumed his rightness. If a dom is aware that their sub has a problem with forgetfulness they need to do a careful assessment of the situation to determine a proper course of action. In the case of the OP, since the meds are so important to your health and well-being, I would simply monitor your meds closely. That's just what I would do. Doms need to be careful when laying down rules. Rules that ultimately are not sustainable or are inconsistent will eventually damage the power exchange with confusion and distrust. MNN

slaveluci -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 6:58:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists a more accurate statement "I will NEVER be released as long as I interact and behavior in the manner that established the relationship in the first place" To state that one will never be Released regardless of behaviors is foolhardy at best... That makes sense and I have to admit that I feel this way. When my Master tells me, however, that I will never be released regardless, I am inclined to believe Him. quote: saying you can behave any way without the ulitmate consequence of release.. and that is just BS. Again....I would tend to think this myself. I'm simply operating on what I've been told is so. It's not hard for me to imagine horrible things that could happen that would cause release (not that they ever would, I'm just saying "what ifs.") But, again, I believe Master when He says "never." You say it's foolhardy and I can see your point. Maybe He is romantic where His cherished slave is concerned. But, if that's His only fault - and I'm not saying He has any faults[;)] - I think I can take it. quote: The concept you spout is foolhardy... but your commitment to your Master is not. Thank you....I think. No seriously - I'm glad my commitment to Him is obvious. It is very real and very sincere. quote: I speak to a concept that you spout You "speak" and I "spout?"[:(] quote: ... a concept that I think is dangerous to a relationship being successful in the long-term. 14 months.. must seem like heaven... and when you get to 14 years... hopefully it is still heaven... It is heaven and I hope and believe it will continue to be evermore so. quote: I know it was for Alandra and I. We approaching the aniversary of the day we met... 20 years this June 30. Let me tell you .. it has been incredible Congratulations! quote: In the beginning it was indeed this will go forever... We never had any struggles or relationship crisis in all our years together.... However, with the relationship Maturing.. It was long to realize that we are not going to be together forever without effort... we just can't float along and expect it to stay together. We can't just do whatever and expect we will stay together. I very much agree with this and even though I've been told that nothing will end it, I do not take that as a license to do whatever. We are both very committed to doing whatever we need to to make things work. quote: it's not the big disobedience that kill a relationship.. it's that slow washing of the Mountain that wears it down... alittle here.. alittle there.. and then people wake up one day and wonder what is going on . I've seen that happen in relationships of people I know. They think it can't happen but it indeed does. Thanks for the lively (to say the least) debate. Congratulations on twenty good years and I hope you have at least twenty more good ones...........luci

Faramir -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 7:01:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mmsprecious so...is "forgetting" the same as a deliberate choice to disobey? it's amazing how in the Marine Corps when there are swift, consistent consequences to "forgetting" how instantly everyone's memory gets better.

imthatacheyouhav -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 7:08:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Faramir quote: ORIGINAL: mmsprecious so...is "forgetting" the same as a deliberate choice to disobey? it's amazing how in the Marine Corps when there are swift, consistent consequences to "forgetting" how instantly everyone's memory gets better. Amen and Amen......this works for UM's too.....LOL

KnightofMists -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 7:08:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci . quote: I speak to a concept that you spout You "speak" and I "spout?"[:(] well.. that is my being condesending to a concept that I have little regard or respect for. I don't have any use for drama or romantic thoughts without a base of reality within them. Your Master may indeed be romantic in his comments... and frankly.. I think you should believe him when he says you will be together forever... but that is not a licence to forget the reality that both of you live in. You both have expecations of each other's behavior.. At this moment and many more to come you easily believe that you will continue to met those expectations. But don't forget the water washing way the mountain... you have a beautiful relationship... it would be ashame for it to be washed away a grain of sand at a time like so many others. I appreciate your candor.... and wish you the very best in your relationship.

LadyHugs -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 7:11:55 PM)
Dear Faramir, Ladies and Gentlemen; It has always been enjoyable to be in the position of Dominant over a former US Marine. They are always Marine and that swift consequences for a Marine who forgets, remains for a good long time--until old age gets to them. Former Marines, as slaves or submissives, make it so easy to be Dominant. Thank you for memories and many smiles. Respectfully submitted for consideration, Lady Hugs

sublizzie -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 7:14:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mmsprecious i do appreciate all your help and i will be working on putting the pill taking into my routine/mornint rituals...perhaps directly after putting on my collar. Master Mike's precious If I may suggest, maybe just before you put on your collar? If it were me, I would see taking the pill as an obedience which would give permission to don the collar. A mind-trick as it were to ensure the pill was taken. Just my thoughts.....

Wildfleurs -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 7:31:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mmsprecious i am hoping to get other opinions on this. the general background is that i require medication daily for my mood/anxiety. my Master KNOWS when i have missed taking them and has now made it a Master order that i take them every day. we were on vacation last week and coming home, i fell off my routine and forgot them several days which affected my mood in a negative way. i have been served my punishment and understand i had disobeyed but i have several questions that came up because of it. of course my Master and i talked them over, i am just seeking others viewpoints. so...is "forgetting" the same as a deliberate choice to disobey? Master chose my punishment carefully - are there levels of punishment or are all infractions treated the same? do you consider disobeying the route to being released or how to you chose wether or not you continue to train a particular slave? Master Mike's precious I think forgetting repeatedly (several days means several times of forgetting) is probably a subconcious choice to disobey. I don't think all infractions should be treated the same, but I do think conciously not setting up a system to remember to do something (whether it means notes, alarms set, pill boxes) and also forgetting several times in a row is a bit more deliberate than not deliberate. C~

Wildfleurs -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 7:45:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists yes... in short.. "disobedience CAN negate ownership" pity the person that believes otherwise. In most cases it does, certainly in mine. For some it depends on the level of disobedience. For my owner it depends on the level of disobedience. There have been things that we've moved towards slowly over time with me perhaps being a bit more difficult (this is on reflection after the fact) than I shouldn't have been but I don't think for him any act of disobedience, no matter how small, immediately warrants a complete negation of ownership. I think what would warrant release/negation of ownership is intensely personal to him and I'm not even sure I know all of the situations that would cause it - although they'd all start with willfully doing something he didn't want me to do. But I do agree, my owner wanted a slave and so thats what he has (I do think that I am his friend and mate - though I'm definitely not his girlfriend). If he wanted disobedience, negotiation, and power struggles he wouldn't have a slave. C~

ownedgirlie -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 7:53:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci Ownedgirlie, I agree that "disobedience CAN negate ownership." I would simply add that it doesn't necessarily do so. My Master wants me as a slave too and He can rest assured that's what He'll always have. Going "vanilla" is not something that's likely to happen to either of us. Obedience is vital to our relationship. He would be the first to say that He owns an extremely obedient slave in me. The issue that has seemed to be so divisive here is that He has made it clear to me that I am His property permanently. If I were to suddenly become very disobedient for some strange reason, His answer would not be to release me or make me unowned. It would be to do whatever it takes to get back on the same page, so to speak, and get obedience as the norm again. Hi Slaveluci, I understand what you are saying and agree with it, actually. In my case, my slavery is conditional. Yes, if I disobeyed there would be attempts made to bring me back to the norm, as you have stated. I have mentioned earlier in my original post on this thread: "If she (he) is showing a genuine desire and effort to focus on him, and to continue to improve and work for him, he will give her every opportunity in the world to succeed (this does not mean there are not consequences for errors). In Off Topics, KoM began a great thread on words vs. actions. If a slave Master is training professes a deep desire to serve but does little to show it by her conduct (obeying, consistent lack of focus, mouthing off, etc.), she will most certainly begin her path to the exit door." If I choose to not take his opportunity, then I will eventually cease to be his slave. I think we're agreeing on the concept that we both plan to always be true to our nature and therefore slaves to our Masters, and therefore we will always be their slaves. This means to me, however, that his ownership is conditional - conditional that so long as I am a slave to him, I will be owned by him. That's where I was coming from when I made my statements. quote: I can clearly see how telling a slave you are never going to release them could lead to trouble. A slave who was unscrupulous, manipulative or insincere would take that as a license to act like hell and still feel assured their place was secure. My Master KNOWS beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am not that way. He knows that even unintentional disobedience hurts me because disappointing Him hurts me. He feels comfortable and confident in the knowledge that my behavior is always going to remain such that release won't need to be contemplated. Thus when He declares that release is not an option or something I have to fear, He is 99.9% certain of that. I can see where you're coming from. You are both living with the assumption that your behavior will always reflect your slavery to him and therefore you will always be owned by him. I get that. My Master and I feel the same. Where we differ is that I have been told of this condition. Rather than "you will always be my slave forever" with the assumption that my behavior will always be what it is, he has made conditions clear by saying, "I prefer to own you. And I have no plans to not own you, as long as you continue to behave as you do, and be as pleasing as you are." I believe life is conditional - relationships, love, circumstances, etc. For me, promises of "forever" have little meaning and really do sound like a romantic unreality. You've explained where you're coming from, which makes things much clearer. I relate to what you are saying, as I plan on always belonging to him. I just don't want him to promise me that, nor will he. quote: There's a wise slave who posts on another board who said something like this: At some point, it finally sank into her head that she was never going anywhere. That she was owned as property and no matter how she might feel like rebelling or acting out due to fear, it wasn't going to change her circumstances. Only when she came to and settled into that realization, was she truly internally enslaved. Release was not ever going to be an option and if she chose to be disobedient, her life was going to get difficult until she decided to behave and make it easier. That has always stuck with me and that is the way my relationship is. It's not that Master wants a disobedient slave. It's that He will own me for good and if I was to become disobedient, measures would be taken to correct that as release is not going to be the solution.........slave luci Boy do I relate to this, and I may have even said it on CM before. There was a time when I had to seriously think about whether I wanted to be his slave or not. I was required to rethink my position with him and to contemplate whether I wanted to be released or not. It was a terribly painful and intense time because I did consider begging for release. And that's when I came to the conclusion that I am here for the duration, and I will always do what it takes to remain here. That I'm not going anywhere, and however difficult his requirements of me may become, I will adjust to them. Since then, I found myself on the road to inner peace and calmness. I finally found myself truly enslaved, as you put it (or the poster you speak of). Asking for my release will not be an option for me as a result, and obedience to all he requires became natural and without consideration. I just don't want to ever take his ownership for granted. I know if I am true to myself, then I will remain his slave, but I don't ever want to stop giving him my best and get lazy about my slavery. I don't think I have it in me to do that, but it is good for me to know the conditions in which I live. I think KoM said it well when he mentioned the slow washing away, a grain at a time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It has been a most interesting thread.

Leonidas -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 8:57:57 PM)
You're describing disobedience that is the result of a lack of mindfulness. This happens some with newer slaves, partly because they simply aren't used to being commanded, and remembering those commands. Make yourself a list if you need to. Willful disobedience is something different, and something that most owners consider to be more serious. You understood the command, remembered it, and chose not to obey. Most slaves are guilty of both from time to time. Whether it's grounds for releasing the slave is a personal decision that the owner has to make. An owner who releases a slave for any act of wilful disobedience probably won't keep one long. An owner who tolerates it constantly doesn't really own much of a slave. For me, personally, it comes down to value. A slave is property, and the continuing question is whether her value in the form of the service she provides and the pleasure that I take in owning her outweighs the cost and trouble of keeping her and training her to please me. I only consider releasing a girl when she starts to be literally "more trouble than she's worth". It's a subjective standard, to be sure.

KnightofMists -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 9:08:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leonidas An owner who releases a slave for any act of wilful disobedience probably won't keep one long. mmmmmm well.. Alandra's been with me coming on 20 years and she has never Wilfully Disobeyed.. Guess she doesn't like the consequence. quote: An owner who tolerates it constantly doesn't really own much of a slave. I would say they are not much of a Master. The quality of the slave has yet to be realized, they indeed be a poor example of a slave or it just might be they need a person that is a Master to help open their slavish nature. But, wilfuly disobedience is disobedience in full understanding that a person is disregarding the Master. I find most disobedience is not willful... it more a issue of mis-understanding the requirements. Which can be a fault of the Master and/or the slave.

MzMia -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 9:10:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci . quote: I speak to a concept that you spout You "speak" and I "spout?"[:(] well.. that is my being condesending to a concept that I have little regard or respect for. I don't have any use for drama or romantic thoughts without a base of reality within them. Your Master may indeed be romantic in his comments... and frankly.. I think you should believe him when he says you will be together forever... but that is not a licence to forget the reality that both of you live in. You both have expecations of each other's behavior.. At this moment and many more to come you easily believe that you will continue to met those expectations. But don't forget the water washing way the mountain... you have a beautiful relationship... it would be ashame for it to be washed away a grain of sand at a time like so many others. I appreciate your candor.... and wish you the very best in your relationship. Well stated Knight! You certainly live up to your name. I love the way you can diplomatically agree to disagree, and give your opinion with grace and style. Bravo!...I love the metaphor about the water washing away the mountain, so true.

KnightofMists -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 9:18:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia Well stated Knight! You certainly live up to your name. I love the way you can diplomatically agree to disagree, and give your opinion with grace and style. Bravo!...I love the metaphor about the water washing away the mountain, so true. Thank you.. but I think there is places to improve upon.

MzMia -> RE: forgetting = disobeying? (6/23/2007 9:19:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia Well stated Knight! You certainly live up to your name. I love the way you can diplomatically agree to disagree, and give your opinion with grace and style. Bravo!...I love the metaphor about the water washing away the mountain, so true. Thank you.. but I think there is places to improve upon. Maybe so, but you continue to impress me. [:D]

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