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RE: You are Responsible - 6/10/2005 10:12:51 AM   
cellogrrlMK


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quote:

ORIGINAL: AlphaGeek

Each and every one of us is responsible for what we've been, what we are, and most important of all, what we shall be.

Anyone telling you different is either seeking to place blame elsewhere or looking for money from some source or another.

Solely my opinion, your mileage may vary.



What he said.

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RE: You are Responsible - 6/10/2005 10:54:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cheekybottom



What of a person’s memories, the very things that grab at you even in the face of something new. When you let go, do you do you let go completely?

~d~



me?
no

~~just me


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RE: You are Responsible - 6/10/2005 11:41:50 AM   
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We are all responsible for the consequences of actions or inactions.

Do I still feel tied to past girls? There were reasons we parted-no. Do I feel responsible that I may have done harm? yes.

I use this to try and avoid it in the future.

Do I feel responsible for positives? No, I feel pride for gifts given and recieved.

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RE: You are Responsible - 6/10/2005 3:30:02 PM   
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The past is beautiful and full of lessons. But you take them, learn from them, let go and move on.

You cannot grasp what has been, because that can stiffle what can be.

No one is responsible for me. Other than Demon, but I am still responsible for me, no matter how submissive I am, how owned, or slaved I am to him. My parents were responsible when I was a child, then I grew, learnt, and they let go when the time came, because I am my own person - they taught, and although they are still there for me, they do not sweep up behind me.

I had two birds - magpies, who were orphans I fed by hand and raised. But I couldn't keep them - they were free spirits and when they could fly, they left.

When you raise something so precious, love something, you cannot stiffle it, you let is fly free.

Peace and Love


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RE: You are Responsible - 6/26/2005 10:53:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cheekybottom

Please forgive the flowery speech smiles. While I might seem romanticized over BDSM I’m no more so romanticized in that area than in any other area of my life, it is who I am.

A Dominant accepts certain responsibilities in the training of a submissive or property as it were, that is not to say that the submissive does not have any responsibilities within the dynamics of each particular relationship, but when this submissive asks to be released or released by the Dominant the Dominant is still in part responsible for which they created, just as the submissive is now held responsible for the care and keeping of herself once alone until the next Dominant claims her. Even though she now becomes someone else’s responsibility I wonder does the Dominant not still feel responsible in some way.

I am not a Dominant, and so this is a curiosity of mine. When you let go, do you let go completely? As in your responsibility ends even though you helped shape, does it stop for you when someone picks up where you left off? Or does it continue on even though you no longer wish for the responsibility and care of her?

~d~


Personally, I feel responsible. I am the One who shaped or changed certain areas of thinking or behaviour or attitude within the submissive and I remain responsible for those changes no matter what relationship does or does not exist later. That is why I need to know the submissive very well before I make changes and why I consider what changes to make very carefully before I start. I need to look at the ultimate long term consequences first because that submissive is going to have to live with those changes for the rest of their lives.

And yes....in all liklihood I will screw up from time to time so I had better be careful. But to Me this is not behaving like a God so much as it is behaving like a parent. One makes those same choices/decisions and takes those same risks when raising a child.

I look back at those whose lives I have affected and wonder how they are and did they benefit in the long run. I ask My daughter now that she is a mother herself how I did as a parent. I learned that My viewpoint and hers are different in some areas. When a submissive of Mine has gone through a particularily difficult change that I initiated I appreciate the opportunity years later of asking them if they feel that it was of benefit to them or not.

Mine has difficulty expressing himself with words. His ideas are good but come out garbled. So currently I am teaching him how to express himself better. He is still responsible for whether or not he chooses to learn. I am responsible for helping him be the best person he is capable of being IMHO.

I may feel responsible for the effects of what I did but this is not the same thing as still being responsible for them and their present actions/behaviours/attitudes. That ended when the relationship ended.

One of the worst people to ever enter My life taught Me the most about Myself and what I could take as a human being. That person has value in My life because I learned just how strong I could be.

Gentle Lady



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RE: You are Responsible - 6/26/2005 11:18:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cheekybottom

Please forgive the flowery speech smiles.


I didn't see anything to forgive, I thought the original post was very expressive.

quote:

A Dominant accepts certain responsibilities in the training of a submissive or property as it were, that is not to say that the submissive does not have any responsibilities within the dynamics of each particular relationship, but when this submissive asks to be released or released by the Dominant the Dominant is still in part responsible for which they created, just as the submissive is now held responsible for the care and keeping of herself once alone until the next Dominant claims her. Even though she now becomes someone else’s responsibility I wonder does the Dominant not still feel responsible in some way.


Speaking for myself as always, I can only answer, 'of course.'

quote:

I am not a Dominant, and so this is a curiosity of mine. When you let go, do you let go completely?


I only try to let go as much as I must. Sometimes even that can be hard.

quote:

As in your responsibility ends even though you helped shape, does it stop for you when someone picks up where you left off? Or does it continue on even though you no longer wish for the responsibility and care of her?


I believe we are all responsible for everything we do, nothing more, nothing less.

When a relationship ends, the responsibilities involved end as well - not in an instant, but relatively quickly. By that I mean that, for instance, if I released a girl who was living under my roof, my responsibility remains to keep a roof over her for a reasonable period until she can find someplace to go.

But there are other responsibilities - responsibility for my part in who she has become? Not in the normal, every day sense of responsibility perhaps, but I feel something similar for certain. I believe we are all responsible for what we put out in the world, for our little part in the shaping of the larger reality.



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RE: You are Responsible - 6/27/2005 6:55:22 AM   
dechala


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quote:

ORIGINAL: cheekybottom

"Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it. You remain responsible forever, for what you have tamed." -Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince


Displayed before you, an admirable work of art graceful in presence, she is as the mirror you’re property resting effortlessly against the wall, a shiny piece of silver, calm and divinely accepting, appreciating the care your labors bring her, you’ve polished her until she shown pristine, the image reflected back stands proud and pleased.

There comes a day when the reflection changes, if what you see is dust, do you miss what is lost? And if there is a new image before you, can you look past it, and see the echo it left behind?

Tell me Sir, everything you’ve ever acquired, and tamed, do you not wake in the night and remember? Do you wonder what’s become of such Mastery?

When the fabric of time ripples across your dreams, tell me Sir does this responsibility twist, and bunch in your sleep? Perhaps it cocoons you or still yet does it instead slip off your body without a care, all crumpled and used upon the dawns floor?

Left responsible…

Dominant: name with held

quote:


Sometimes I stand in front of the window wondering about the world -- wondering about the scarlet women I've known and owned and opened. Somewhere beyond my window, their lives go on without me. The sorrows of an occasional phone call serve to fill in the blanks.

Maybe two years ago I ran into a former slave at the Guggenheim. Ten years earlier we had listened to each other's skin as if it were made of music, but when we saw each other again, we couldn't actually bring ourselves to touch. Old electricity would have moved through us.

Responsibility? Well, as Dominique Aury said to Jean Paulhan, "You should never have agreed to be a god for me if you were afraid to assume the duties of a god." When I was younger I used to worry about damaging something beautiful, but I don't think that way any longer. We don't need to protect a fragile innocence; the universe will always provide new beauty.

I made room in my heart for them once, for the girls who were mine, for the girls who learned to open and obey. They are beautiful bruises in the universe, scarlet women in a world that is so black-and-white. Once we knew each other so well that our intimacy bordered on telepathy, and now we are vibrant strangers in the museum. Once they served me so deeply that they could almost anticipate my desires, and now I stand at the window, wondering.


My reply:

You’ve answered my musings, and yet I’m still left wanting. These Scarlet women in which you speak, I now speculate about them as well, and can’t help but to know that I am one of them, not yours, but someone else’s. I am one of these Scarlet wraiths left scratching at His mind.

Left responsible…

Sir, do you feel responsible?

The Dominants who polished you, and help make who you are today:

1. Are there parts of you that you don’t care for because of Their polishing?
2. Do you hold Them responsible?
3. And remember it stands to reason that if you hold another responsible for the negative, then you must also hold them responsible for the positive.


Left responsible, these scarlet women who bleed your mind…

~d~



WOW! that quote sounds extremely familiar.i'm pretty sure i know who that Dom is.
Sorry didnt mean to hijack, just had to mention it


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RE: You are Responsible - 6/27/2005 4:16:49 PM   
sanita


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ok, approaching this from another angle...

"responsibility" as a word for the assigning of credit for influencing and guiding.

i have often heard that if someone is successful in higher education, it is thanks to a teacher in grades K-12. a teacher will look at a student who has long been out of their class with pride. that pride wouldn't be there, if the teacher didn't feel some responsibility for that student getting there.

is my Ex my keeper? no.

i have issues related to His treatment of me, but that is baggage i cannot throw back in His lap. nor can i just go deposit it at the feet of my current Master. my Ex is responsible for the conditioning He gave me. the things i do well that He taught me, He can take pride in. the issues He gave me? well, He may be responsible as a teacher might be for giving a student bad information. but it is up to me to learn the correct information, now that i know of the misguidance.

i am influenced by others, but for those influences to change who i am, i have to let them.

therefore:

culpability-responsibility... my own.

teaching/training/influence-responsibility... shared.

but i will not be a burden. i would never want my Master to feel obliged to care for me. He does it because He does care for me. and i, Him.

anyway, different types of responsibility and so many differnt people with different perspectives. to each their own.


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RE: You are Responsible - 6/27/2005 5:58:05 PM   
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This girl would say a large part of what you are referring to has to do with the duality of change, period. Every change is a bipolar dichotemy of sorts. Attributes gained also tend to mold someone away from other initial assets etc. Atleast this is this girl's mileage.
It is a long the lines of be careful what you ask for..for you just may get it.

As example from this girl's life. When she was betrothed to Master it was just a straight traditional marriage. she held a lucrative sales position and was next to autonomous as an individual. Over the course of ten years Our relationship has become much more symbiotic. Now many many apsects of this are "good" in D/s...however next to no one lives an exclusively D/s lifestyle. Master is also in the Army and since 9/11 has been deployed next to non stop...and to a very real degree the amount of symbiosis between them is also a hinderance to His career focused life and the reality she is put in. In the early years He would go TDY and deploy and she functioned quite well...but the closer We become the longer the "group think" of Our TPE has to manifest itself...the more emotionally difficult it is for this girl for Him to be gone. Seemingly at times unbaringly difficult.
So many times has she said "i am sorry Master if You do not like who i am, but i am a product of my environment." cheeky grin.

Ahhhh kasara sara...what she is pointing out is good or bad isn't even black or white...these are muddy waters We all tread. And with the positive always comes the negative. That is the duality of nature. And if a Dominant wishes to take responsibility for the positive then They must congruently take responsibility for the negative.

sabrina King

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RE: You are Responsible - 6/28/2005 7:29:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: happypervert

quote:

You are responsible for which you helped create and I am responsible for agreeing with such creating.

Not me. This may apply to guys with what LadyAngelika calls a Pygmalion complex where they try to mold their partner into "something". However the ladies I'm attracted to tend to have enough going for them that I wouldn't want to change them, and I can't even see any reason to be involved with someone that I would want to train to be something else or who would be so malleable. Even this notion of "training" is alien to me -- I think it is just a fancy way of saying a partner learns another's preferences as in any normal relationship.

I feel some responsibility for the influence I've had over the years on my friend's son, but none at all for any influence I've had on adults.

quote:



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Not me. This may apply to guys with what LadyAngelika calls a Pygmalion complex where they try to mold their partner into "something". However the ladies I'm attracted to tend to have enough going for them that I wouldn't want to change them, and I can't even see any reason to be involved with someone that I would want to train to be something else or who would be so malleable. Even this notion of "training" is alien to me -- I think it is just a fancy way of saying a partner learns another's preferences as in any normal relationship.
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alien? "any reason to be involved with someone that i would want to train to be something else or someone whom would be so malleable"

*******okay, let me please analyze this. since i am, male, and you are discussing dommes. i am a rough edged coin. not yet polished. more vanilla kid than 20 year veteran slave. for a domme to take me under Her wing, and mold me to a better slave, to be mallebale enough, TO mold, is what it takes for me to be a good student of Her teaching. how do you figure any dominant is going to polish any sub/slave if they are not, malleable?
you can stand there all day trying to polish concrete but it is not going to happen.
but pick out a rough stone out of a stream and put it on a polishing wheel, and soon you have something of rare beauty.
i apologize but i find your answer illogical, irrational, and most disheartening.
thank you, for my time here.
a hopeful male slave, waiting to become polished and be malleable, to be so.

the lone wolf


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RE: You are Responsible - 6/28/2005 10:00:54 PM   
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You post an intriguing and unexpected query, cheekybottom. In simple terms, my answer is yes. I've experienced both pride and regrets for what was wrought through the application of my will and her acquiesence. I grok your underlying premise and I, too, ascribe to it.
It is at times a comfort but more often a haunting and it makes me wary of extending my influence too casually. What I stubbornly refuse to acknowledge is the thought that I also bear further responsibility, in part, for secondary reactions. To consider the ramifications too widely is a certain recipe for sleepless nights.
Be well,
Timothy

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RE: You are Responsible - 6/30/2005 7:19:42 AM   
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my profile says..i want one collar..for life. if i ever do find a Dom and He leaves me..through releasing me or death..i do not think i would feel capable or desirous of searching for another Dom.

i want a complete surrender..total trust...immense respect. Finding that -- and then losing it -- well, the pain would be almost as bad as a death in the family There are also circumstances under which i would return my collar and leave Him. Under such circumstances, i would have both a broken heart and a sense of betrayal that would overwhlem me.

However the bond was broken...having known the joy of D/s even for awhile would be enough. i would not seek another Dom...i do not believe i am able to repose my trust to such a degree more than once.

No matter how we were parted -- death, release, or betrayal; i would have to struggle to live alone again whilst suffering a broken heart. i doubt it would ever heal; but there would be joyful memories as well.

would my Dom be responsible? would He remember me? how could i know? i could not bear to have contact with Him. i would keep Him in my prayers, but i'd never want to see or speak to Him again. it would rip my heart open again.

fillepink




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RE: You are Responsible - 6/30/2005 4:00:59 PM   
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I am not too sure what the question is here.. however I am or would be the "Dom" in the relationship and as such I am responsible for anyone in /under my care.

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