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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/16/2007 1:59:41 PM   
lateralist1


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That was wonderful. Thankyou everyone who has posted.
I've tried it every which way except ful pro Domme.
I went around in a circle and came back to my original place.
I'm a dominant caring emotional woman with a lot of kinks.
I want to find one or more caring, emotional, kinky submissive men for a long term satisfying reationship for both or all of us.
Money doesn't come into it except in a vanilla way.
We all have vanilla needs as well as BDSM needs.
If my partner needed money I would give it to him if I could but I woudn't expect a prospective partner to ask me for money so why would I ask him for it? 

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/16/2007 11:03:48 PM   
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quote:

stop352:
I think it has more to do with their real life needs... than any ardent desire to sift wheat from chaff.


You're just dying to point the gun at your head and pull the tigger aren't you?

ElanSubdued.

< Message edited by ElanSubdued -- 7/16/2007 11:05:28 PM >

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/16/2007 11:11:49 PM   
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quote:

aidan:

*reads the OP*

Oh jeeze...Buddy, good luck. I hope you've got a helmet.

Nice generalizations, though. I'm a big fan of the classics.


This is funny as hell, but so true.  Touche. :-)

ElanSubdued.

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/17/2007 12:06:49 AM   
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lovingsteel07,

quote:

What does it matter if a Mistress asks for tribute or not?  A true submissive takes joy in service.  And a good Mistress is worthy of tribute, whether it is requested of you or not.  A good Mistress is worthy of all that you can give:  respect, caring, devotion, and anything else that comes to mind.  Too many people look to Mistresses as "playmates", or people who exist to serve THEIR needs.  A lot of so-called submissives find it convenient to forget that Mistress is a title... there are people beneath that title who have their own drives, and their own needs.


Oh Lord.  Okay.  I'll try to do this nicely.  Lets debunk the myths here.

There is no such thing as a "true submissive" nor are there "true dommes" (true mistresses or whatever you want to label them).  Each coupling is unique and it is up to those people to negotiate as they see fit.   As for tributes, I'm a submissive and I have never paid tributes.  And you know what?  I probably never will pay tributes simply because I don't want to.  I figure I bring as much to the table as my partners do so I see no reason to pay extra.  This is how I choose to negotiate and yes, it means I don't involve myself with dommes who require tributes.  But whatever.  Someone else may choose to pay tributes because that's what they want to do.  Neither approach is better or worse, more true or more un-true.

About the whole "a good mistress is worthy of all that you can give" bit.  I've met a some mistresses who were not worth a dime of my respect just as I've met submissives who fall into this same category.  I involve myself with people I like.  This is my style.  If I choose to do something nice for a domme, it is because I want to show affection, not because this is expected.  Again, this is my approach and it may work differently for others.  The whole "put the domme up on a pedestal thing" does work for some - I'll give you that.  However, for most people I've met, this isn't a viable approach for a long lasting relationship.

Here's one that may surprise you.  I do look to a mistress to serve my needs.  Because you know what?  If she isn't addressing my needs, I'm not going to stick around.  This works reciprocally too. If I'm not serving my domme's needs, she probably won't stick around.  A casual and/or short-term relationship may survive only one partner getting their needs met, but in any more committed relationship, partners share, compromise, and meet each other's needs.

There isn't any magic here lovingsteel07.  BDSM relationships (even those where the partners are domme and sub) are still relationships.  While the way BDSM partners interact may have a slight twist when compared to vanilla folk, most of the rules regarding human relationships still apply.  Thus, if you treat your mistress poorly, she may dismiss you and if a mistress continually treats her submissives poorly, any self respecting submissives I know will walk out the door.

When I'm considering a dominant partner, tributes, female superiority, and "worthiness" never enter my mind.  What enters my mind is whether I like the person or not, and whether I'm attracted to them and feel safe in their care.  Now don't get me wrong here.  Perhaps tributes and other such things do enter your mind when negotiating with a mistress.  But this is my point.  If these things are on the table, it is because *you* have chosen to negotiate your relationships this way.  There isn't a single, "true" way to do this.

ElanSubdued.

< Message edited by ElanSubdued -- 7/17/2007 12:09:32 AM >

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/17/2007 4:44:54 AM   
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One thing i have read is Mistress`s complaining that submissives don`t read profiles. It`s a two way thing though, and here is a message i just received.

and would u spoil me

It`s the fourth of fifth i have got like that, in the ten weeks or so since i joined. The Mistress in question didnt read my profile, so i will correctly assume it`s just a come on to send cash.

My point is this, i would be happy to pay a Pro Domme if i wanted that experience. i would be happy to give a tribute as a token of sincerity or even just because. Getting messages like the one i quoted make most submissives wary of tributes. So some of the blame for submissives feeling the way they do, can be blamed at "Some" Mistress`s. Just as some of the blame for tributes being required can be blamed on "some" submissives.

The best advice on this thread has been if it`s not for you move on, personally i would view each request for a tribute in the context of the circumstances between myself and the Mistress.


Edited for spelling....

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/17/2007 4:50:20 AM   
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It  is so nice to see so many smart ladies on here. I am fairly new to CM and this is my first post. There are a lot of cases where a tribute should be totally expected from a slave. For example, you get 30 message from people from a completely different part of the world... they want to sit there in front of a web cam for training. As if I don't have anything better to do and please someone tell me what I get out of that? NOTHING! So, for subs/slaves that send me messages expecting me to waste my time on them they better be prepared to offer me something in return. Seriously, it isn't like I am getting any benefit out of it at all, they aren't coming over to clean my house and do chores or anything else. In fact, basically they are expecting something of me. All of those subs/slaves that would actually expect this from a Mistress make me think they have the wrong profile.

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/17/2007 1:30:52 PM   
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stop352,

--- Me:
--- You're just dying to point the gun at your
--- head and pull the trigger aren't you?

Oops.  I've read your subsequent posts now and realize you're not trying to provoke trouble.  Rather, you're just asking an honest question that you didn't know the answer to.  This is a rather loaded topic which is why you got some groans from me and from the crowd.  Sorry about that.

TrulySublime.

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/18/2007 4:10:29 AM   
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well  all I can say is, with few words and simply said you nailed it in one...

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 7/23/2007 5:53:31 AM   
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This is like the dumbest thing I have ever heard of!

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/20/2007 5:38:19 PM   
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well, you don't exactly look you belong to the GC league either.

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/20/2007 5:46:23 PM   
Eru


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It is a very submissive position to be begging complete strangers for money.

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/20/2007 6:43:20 PM   
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The moment you ask someone for something-you grant them power over you.

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/20/2007 9:11:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: interestingtimes
well  all I can say is, with few words and simply said you nailed it in one...
Thank you.   I try to break it down to the meat of the matter whenever I can, because otherwise, I stop making sense, lol.
quote:

BlackSakura
This is like the dumbest thing I have ever heard of!
Huh?  I hope you're doing a Fast reply to page one or someone else, but if you aren't, stick around, as it gets much worse.
quote:

RRafe
The moment you ask someone for something-you grant them power over you.
Really?  So let me get this straight: telling him to clean the bedroom/house, wash the dishes, pay for these things for me while we're shopping, or "go lick" this or that "and don't stop until I tell you" gives them power over me?  Who knew?   I'm even nicer than I thought, sharing so much power, lmao.   M



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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/20/2007 10:08:48 PM   
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Nothing like resurrecting a dead friggin thread that has probably been started in a new form at least 4 times since its death..........let it die and start a new bitch thread,,,, sheesh

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/20/2007 10:12:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: interestingtimes
well  all I can say is, with few words and simply said you nailed it in one...
Thank you.   I try to break it down to the meat of the matter whenever I can, because otherwise, I stop making sense, lol.
quote:

BlackSakura
This is like the dumbest thing I have ever heard of!
Huh?  I hope you're doing a Fast reply to page one or someone else, but if you aren't, stick around, as it gets much worse.
quote:

RRafe
The moment you ask someone for something-you grant them power over you.
Really?  So let me get this straight: telling him to clean the bedroom/house, wash the dishes, pay for these things for me while we're shopping, or "go lick" this or that "and don't stop until I tell you" gives them power over me?  Who knew?   I'm even nicer than I thought, sharing so much power, lmao.   M




Indeed-and if he stops doing things for you? Which he can at any moment? For any reason, or no reason at all?

If nothing else,would he not then excercise power over your feelings about the loss?

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/20/2007 10:37:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

One thing i have read is Mistress`s complaining that submissives don`t read profiles. It`s a two way thing though, and here is a message i just received.

and would u spoil me

It`s the fourth of fifth i have got like that, in the ten weeks or so since i joined. The Mistress in question didnt read my profile, so i will correctly assume it`s just a come on to send cash.


I just view those as the female equivalent of penis picture emails lol. :)  No matter what the sex, you're going to get something!

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/21/2007 12:04:42 AM   
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Indeed-and if he stops doing things for you? Which he can at any moment? For any reason, or no reason at all?
You only say that because you don't know how much fun I can be.  
But to seriously answer your question, anytime he stops doing those things for/to me, he is saying he's ready to end our relationship, and while I'm made of flesh and blood like anyone else and would possibly grieve the loss, it would pass, and I would move on to next obedient servile babe available.   M

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/22/2007 7:49:15 AM   
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RRafe: Bingo! You're deep.

RRafe said: 'Indeed-and if he stops doing things for you? Which he can at any moment? For any reason, or no reason at all?

If nothing else,would he not then excercise power over your feelings about the loss?'

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/22/2007 8:01:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam

quote:

Indeed-and if he stops doing things for you? Which he can at any moment? For any reason, or no reason at all?
You only say that because you don't know how much fun I can be.  
But to seriously answer your question, anytime he stops doing those things for/to me, he is saying he's ready to end our relationship, and while I'm made of flesh and blood like anyone else and would possibly grieve the loss, it would pass, and I would move on to next obedient servile babe available.   M

Good answer M!

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RE: why do MISTRESSES ask for tributes ? - 10/22/2007 11:39:52 AM   
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the thing that really grinds my gears is Mistresses are quite wiling to take a tribute straight away but equally they should first provide proper proof that they are infact female.stop all this"im the Mistress and you do as i say stuff"that is exactly what makes subs wary and the sort of thing a fake Mistress/male would say,

Mistresses must provide proof then the slave must pay then once that is done,the submission begins from that point.too many lowlife,pathetic,sad,childish scamming worms out there thinking it,s ok to pretend to be female to con cash from people!!!!

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