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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/25/2007 8:43:36 PM   
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....fanning herself after looking at Petronius picture and profile.
hot damn baby......
whatever Petronius said


Lol MzMia, I did the exact same thing.  Stopped me dead in my tracks.  whew! ears getting hot.

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/25/2007 9:04:15 PM   
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We can say that Yes We have been and will more than likely be again both over whelmed and have some trepidation when We meet with a sub who through the medium of both the internet and phone have spoken to and got to know then arranged to meet at a safe place so Us and them to decide to take the step further into being together for a time in private for what ever may happen .
Like many and maybe most the pictures painted by words are often more harder to put on canvas and make into a real life colour portrait so that often one feels the underlying tinge of fear that they may not live up to what they have first sketched as their masterpiece.
We can say though after those initial feelings have receded then all that has happened and been sketched has maybe not fully followed the plans but still been great and although not yet had the opportunity to create a 24/7 life time master piece the other paintings have still been well worth hanging in Our gallery of successes and pleasures enjoyed by all.

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/25/2007 9:08:37 PM   
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Was there ever a time when you as a dominant were faced with getting what/who you sought and what you wanted... yet had a difficult time moving it from the fantasy to reality?  

Were there ever fears that you couldn't make the reality match the fantasy or did you even want to do that? 


Tons of this when Angel and I met. I was worried that what he wanted and what he would actually enjoy realtime werent going to be the same.  And I was right, all the fantasy we discussed for months and none of it really worked in reality. Now that we hav been together longer, we have a better idea of what wil and wont work realistically, and I know which fantasies I can play with and which need to remain that way... fantasy.

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/26/2007 1:59:51 AM   
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The problem with fantasies is that while we are enjoying them, we are writing the scripts in our heads, so they play out exactly the way we want them to. The moment we introduce elements we can't control (ie reality!) there is a huge risk that the reality won't match the fantasy. Of course, occasionally it can actually be BETTER than the fantasy, but I think the Chinese have it right when they say: Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. When a fantasy is scripted, it never feels quite right anyway. For a fantasy to come true, it needs to feel spontaneous and "real." For example, it needs to be without all the messy bodily functions that we humans are cursed with. In a fantasy no one ever farts, lol.

This statement is bound to cause a stink, but BDSM is a fantasy. The slaves are not real slaves. We willingly suspend our disbelief while we play out our scenes, but it's still a fantasy. It's all scripted and operates according to the conventions we have agreed to. If it wasn't, we'd be arrested for it.

The thread is entitled "Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality" but in actual fact, it's a contradiction in terms. A fantasy can't ever be "real." Just as close an approximation as we can make it....

Sits back and waits for the fur to fly....

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/26/2007 3:01:53 AM   
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Hi Naughty Angel,

I was curious whether it was a question that randomly popped into your mind or whether you've experienced this lately on the dom or the sub side.

The only sorts of fantasies that don't always play out right for me are the sexual ones; for example it's hot to think of whipping my girl while she is suspended so that only her toes touch the floor, but in reality it makes her hands numb and she feels faint.

As for the real life types of fantasies regarding ownership, I always make my moves in the here and now, so I don't tend to get too far ahead of the girl I am fantasizing about; we journey (mostly) in step together.

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/26/2007 9:12:44 AM   
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Reality never never never never never lives up to fantasy. On the other hand, reality is a wonderful way to trigger or discover new fantasy.


Petronius, that is exactly why I don't ever bother with fantasy. It is a waste of time. It's like, I've never been to a strip club. My friends make fun of me, but my reaction is what is the fun in looking if you can't touch. lol.

But when you base your desires and goals on realities, WoW what a difference. Part of the delicious excitement for me is I do not create a preconceived notion of who a woman is going to be. For me, it is the fun of discovering her as she discovers me that makes the fetish relationship, or any relationship for that matter, a magical experience. I also find that if you don't fill your head with preconceived ideas, and just let events happen, you are far, far less likely to end up with disappointment.

naughty wrote "As for the dominants who do have self esteem issues, relationship baggage, life baggage... etc.... well I know it doesn't apply across the board, but they should give some of us submissives a little credit for being realistic and understanding, ya know?"

A very insightful statement, and one many of us Dominants should consider more often. I don't have self-esteem issues, or baggage, yet this was a hard one for me, and from time to time can still be. I'm no superman, but I feel I should be the bastion of strength in the relationship. Allowing a sub or slave to gently remind me that I am only human, and that they can not only accept, but love that as part of who I am is a great gift.

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/26/2007 9:46:16 AM   
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It wasn't moving from fantasy to reality, more just reality handing me more than I thought I could handle at the time.  I went from just starting to top to suddenly having three people looking to me for direction in our relationships.  But I muddled through with varying degrees of success :)

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/26/2007 11:46:40 AM   
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I have met many Dominants that seem to be searching for relationships based  on fantasy.
Many people in our society are so influenced by what they see or imagine, that reality is not easy to face.
If you look at many of the pictures and poses on here, it is clear that many people feel they must attempt
to present an image or package to other people.
Many people are only interested in pretty packages that will help them make their fantasies come true.
Reality is often totally different and not so easy to face.

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/26/2007 5:28:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDominic
naughty wrote "As for the dominants who do have self esteem issues, relationship baggage, life baggage... etc.... well I know it doesn't apply across the board, but they should give some of us submissives a little credit for being realistic and understanding, ya know?"

A very insightful statement, and one many of us Dominants should consider more often. I don't have self-esteem issues, or baggage, yet this was a hard one for me, and from time to time can still be. I'm no superman, but I feel I should be the bastion of strength in the relationship. Allowing a sub or slave to gently remind me that I am only human, and that they can not only accept, but love that as part of who I am is a great gift.

Namaste, Sir Dominic


Thank you for sharing that Sir D.  You brought a smile to my face. 

A part of me still holds onto the romantic? fantasy that the one I serve will be the strong arms that hold me and I'll be his soft place to fall.  When I'm having a personal pity party, which I do from time to time, I figure that's one fantasy that will never be a reality for me.  But a slave can hope, can't she?  


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It wasn't moving from fantasy to reality, more just reality handing me more than I thought I could handle at the time.  I went from just starting to top to suddenly having three people looking to me for direction in our relationships.  But I muddled through with varying degrees of success :)


I can't imagine you'd ever be unsuccessful at anything you set your mind to LA! 


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ORIGINAL: RaynaSub

I have met many Dominants that seem to be searching for relationships based  on fantasy.
Many people in our society are so influenced by what they see or imagine, that reality is not easy to face.
If you look at many of the pictures and poses on here, it is clear that many people feel they must attempt
to present an image or package to other people.
Many people are only interested in pretty packages that will help them make their fantasies come true.
Reality is often totally different and not so easy to face.


An excellent point RaynaSub and one that was whirling around in my head when I started this thread!  Makes me think of the guys who become so addicted to porn and porn images that they become convinced that they are being cheated out of something because their wife/girlfriend doesn't look like a porn star and that their sex life isn't one big porn movie every night of the week.

Thank you all again for the responses. 

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/27/2007 1:53:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel

In other words, were you ever faced with the situation of "I got what I wanted, now what the heck do I do with her/him?"

Were there ever fears that you couldn't make the reality match the fantasy or did you even want to do that? 



HelloBRNaughtyAngel. Wellllll....yes. But first, I will adress the "fantasy" thingie vs reality. Everybody has "expectations" and the mind likes to do little "what if movies" (scenarios) based at times on very little information... it's normal.

When those "scenarios" are reality based, real person that you know a little about, reality seems to be an "adjusting" of expectations, discovery of neat and not so neat stuff that you did not know about. And that is also normal, whether you are dominant, submissive and even vanilla.

The other kind of "fantasy" pertains to "idealisation" which is not based on the object of ones attention. You may have an "ideal" submissive or dominant in your head, completely "fantasy" based on fictional books, movies, "personal kinks" and even "urban legends".

Now most of us (please, I know about exceptional exceptions) have these two kinds of fantasy going on at the same time. With experience, the reality based fantasy should be at the forefront. The less information you have, the "primal" ideal will tend to complete what is missing (gestalt theory, and all that "ha!ha!moment" shit).

Now back to me! I am a skeptic by nature, and am skeptic especially of my own wishful thinking! I have always had an "ideal fantasy" of a submissive that is pretty, devoted (loyal), service oriented, sexually unhibited, curious and for some reason I do not fathom...stoic!

Well, I found one that matched (skeptically "matched" of course) more or less this "ideal fantasy". Of course, I was careful to verify and triple check all those traits. Yep, she was for real. I thought, man I'm a lucky son of someone! Perfect! This should be easy!

To my surprise, my very very normally (overly?) confident disposition turned to mush, when in the "interactions"of the beginning (the very important "do not fuck up" phase), I realized that I did not know "anything" about stoics! This scared the shit out of me. The idea that I would lose this "pearl" because of my ineptitude, was not exactly helping in the "impress me with your wisdom" department either.

My future "stoic" sub did not know much about anything about BDSM, except what she liked "after" she experienced stuff. When she "experienced" stuff, she did not much give  any clues to what was going on inside that unexpressive Zen head of hers. I could only be "almost" sure that she was in the zone, "when" she got there, well kind of, sort of.

This minimal feedback style of stoicism affected everything, as all soft limits apparently were made of butter! She did not have a clue as to what her limits really were. Of course the "skeptic" had a hard time believing that, and went about "pushing" limits "made out of butter" until he would eventually lose his nerve (and stop where he did not know he was stopping, or exactly what the hell for!).

I was domming most of the time on pure gut feeling, which as all of you know, could be suicidal if the "ideal fantasy" thingie  starts to run things. In some scenes, my hands started shaking ! As I thought I would eventually step on a mine and ruin everything. As this was not getting "me" anywhere in comfort city, we took a break.

We had  an "heart to heart" and I confessed that I was getting lost. I told her that I needed feedback. She told me she was giving me feedback, after all she was not stopping anything? She had no reference except for the very conservative vanilla stuff  (south american old family catholic vanilla stuff that is!)

I replied a little ironically, that I would need much more time to figure out what made this little zen sub tick! She asked what I meant about this "time I needed" (very seriously). Well, trying to lighten things up, as I realized she was starting to take this personally, I joked that I would probably have to marry her in order to get all the subtilties of her "style". Her face lit up, and she gave me this killer smile...

The next day, we were engaged (with me in a daze!) and married a year later. That was 7 years ago and there is still "stuff" I am finding out about this little "stoic".

Beware of what you wish for. RL.





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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/27/2007 2:40:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Where have you been Angel?
Wonderful thread my pretty

I have this problem, and I will comment on it later.
**Actually waiting for people like Robert to post something I can agree with**


Hello MzMia. I think I'm coming down with performance anxiety! lol. RL.

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RE: Difficulty moving from fantasy to reality? - 6/27/2007 7:39:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: robertolapiedra
The next day, we were engaged (with me in a daze!) and married a year later. That was 7 years ago and there is still "stuff" I am finding out about this little "stoic".

Beware of what you wish for. RL.



Thank you so much for sharing your story with us Robert.  You gave me a giggle and a warm fuzzy moment as well this morning!

And I agree about being wary of what you wish for, but damn....... just can't help but wish for it anyway!

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