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RE: Angry with Master - 7/1/2007 2:32:28 AM   
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Thank you, great advise, unfortunately, easier said than done

No, actually, it is very easy to do; of course, you have to want to let the anger go first...from your answer, it seems that you like the anger.

/shrug




I have read this a couple of times now to make sure I read it correctly. How on earth can you come to the assumption that the OP likes the anger from her response to you. Not everyone finds it easy to "let it go" whatever that means. The only way I can let mine go is to rant at the person responsible which is exactly what I do, whether that is my Dom or my Mother or whoever.

Just because you might find it easy, do not assume everyone is like you. 

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/1/2007 6:40:20 AM   
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My question is this: How do you deal with being angry with your dom.


Mistress encourages me to express any anger/frustration as soon as possible to Her.  Doing this is helping to eliminate my propensity to hold things in and sulk for a week, and prevents mountains being made of mole hills. 



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RE: Angry with Master - 7/1/2007 11:57:10 AM   
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i have this slightly easier because i am a child.  i'm blunt, i'm honest, and all i do is joke and play around.  If, in a relationship, i'm ever given a task to do, i always kid around (i.e.-"awww do i haaaave to?"), and rarely can i go five minutes without making a very bad joke. ^_^  However, when i -do- get serious (and, as i am, because i dedicate myself there is little that will -really- irk me), she understands i'm being serious and, i think, takes my thoughts more into consideration.

why this works is because it is understood -beforehand- what will "go down" when i have a serious problem with something.  If those rules are put into place, then things will work better, because you've both agreed to a contract under calm, and composed circumstances.  And if the dom doesn't abide by those terms, then you're basically 'allowed' to fly off the handle.  And if you fail to abide, well, tough luck for you.  Just a thought.

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/1/2007 1:13:29 PM   
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I used to go off on why I was mad at my Master and he would sit there and listen to me rant, when it was over he was mad and would go for a walk then come back we would discuss it somemore and then i'd get punished for breaking many rules,by just going off on him. I had to learn to approach him calmly let him know how I was feeling respectfully and he would be more than happy to sit there and listen. In the end things dont always go my way and what im mad about might not change but Master will listen to me and explain why things are the way they are and in the end im a lot happier . I guess the key for me at least is to let myself calm down before I go to him with whatever is bothering me, and then go to him with respect and politness. Ask a lot of questions and really listen to what he tells you. Usually a Master has a good reason for doing what they do or saying what there saying.
I also find writting an email, letter or IM helps to sometimes.

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/1/2007 1:26:20 PM   
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It is hard to answer questions like this.
Why are you angry with your Master?

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/1/2007 1:30:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sexyharleygirl

My question is this: How do you deal with being angry with your dom.


If I'm angry enough that I might say things I would later regret, or if I feel there is a chance I might intentionally speak in a way intended to hurt another. I give myself a time out. Time outs that work really well for me.

Water - long shower, bath, jump in  lake, stand in the rain. Water for me is very soothing and grounding. I can release the intensity of my emotions into the water. Sometimes even standing at the sink and just running my hands in water will help me.

Walks - they rythm works for me, as does the time venting into the air and saying all the nasty hateful things I want to. I rant sometimes when I walk. I walk until I have spewed whatever bile I have inside myself verbally, and my body feels tired. Usually I am okay for adult human communication at that point.

Being held - Big anger mixed with despair, is best released with this one. I will weep and rail and struggle, but eventually I will just settle and cry and cry, then I will cuddle and usually sleep.

When I am angry with somone, anyone, Sir, my friends, family, I wait to talk until I am calm enough to actually work toward resolving whatever is out of wack. Sometimes if it is really charged for me I go quiet, as quite a few others seem to. When that happens I usually write about it first. It is not a personal strength for me to talk directly to others about what upsets, distresses, or angers me, but it is something I work on. Verbally expressing difficult emotions is one of my current projects.

I wish you luck and hope that you already feel more at peace by the time you read this.

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/1/2007 1:37:52 PM   
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When i'm angry (for any reason or at anyone) i clean and i write.  i've been known to clean window tracks with q-tips, scrub a kitchen floor on my knees with a scrub brush, i clean out cabinets and drawers and closets, scrub down the bathroom, and all the while my mind is running a mile a minute  -- er quietly..since i learned muttering under my breath is NOT a good thing..lol..

Then, once i've calmed down i write in my private journal, where i can vent and really let go.  Only then, when i'm sure i can express myself with the respect he deserved would i ask permission to speak about it.  Only one time, with a man who is no longer my master for a whole bunch of reasons, including this.. i was denied permission..he had had his say and that was that.  i wasn't asking to change his position, but more to explain my hurt, but he wasn't interested.  That in itself was the beginning of the end. 

good luck..
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RE: Angry with Master - 7/1/2007 10:02:28 PM   
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I have always had a problem getting through being angry, even in nilla situtations and relationships alot of the ideas written here will be very useful thank you

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/2/2007 9:00:30 PM   
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I can never really stay angry for any length of time. However, when my anger surfaces, I've found it easy to take several deep breaths and ask for a few moments where I may speak unrestricted and freely with no fear of repercussion.

At that point, I take a few more deep breaths and start out with..

I'm angry, Sir and these are my reasons why. Then address each reason in a respectful tone and tell him exactly why that reason made you feel angry. It's always better to start out with something like, "I feel angry when such and such happens" The reason why is because it makes me feel ---------. Once you give someone a valid reason and never say...You make me angry when you do or say -------.

That has always helped me express my anger during stressfull times.

I hope that helps.

~warm smile~

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/2/2007 9:06:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: krikket

When i'm angry (for any reason or at anyone) i clean and i write.  i've been known to clean window tracks with q-tips, scrub a kitchen floor on my knees with a scrub brush, i clean out cabinets and drawers and closets, scrub down the bathroom, and all the while my mind is running a mile a minute  -- er quietly..since i learned muttering under my breath is NOT a good thing..lol..



Hi Krikket,

If I make you mad and then invite you over, you can mutter ALL you want! 

Cleaning supplies are under the kitchen sink....

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/3/2007 12:27:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sexyharleygirl

My question is this: How do you deal with being angry with your dom.


If it's caused by something he can change or control, I talk about it with him, quietly and calmly (or email, if it's hard to talk about.)

If it's something he can't change or control, I have to decide if I can live with it, or adjust things so it won't be so much of a problem for me.  Or learn to put up with it.  Or move on.

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/3/2007 12:30:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

No, actually, it is very easy to do; of course, you have to want to let the anger go first...from your answer, it seems that you like the anger.  (bolding added)

/shrug




Now see, hearing/reading that would just piss me off.

Being told to "just let the anger go" is not the same thing as offering suggestions as to HOW to let the anger go and it does not necessarily mean that someone enjoys being angry because they've dared to point that out for goodness sake.

From my point of view, "from your answer, it seems that you like the anger." is just a real nice condescending comment that means "I have NO clue how to let the anger go, but I'm definitely not going to admit that here."

Letting anger go (suggestions that may or may not work for you.)

1. BREATHE
2. BREATHE AGAIN (you know, those deep cleansing breaths they talk about with pregnant ladies)
3. BREATHE ONE MORE TIME - VERY SLOWLY.
4. During the third breath, contemplate how you'd ideally want his anger displayed to you - (this is not including any "punishment" that you may be hoping for).
5. Tell him QUIETLY that you have something you need to talk to him about but you need a moment (or an hour - or a day). Take all the time you need to contemplate how to BEST express what's  upsetting you.
6. Go for a walk. Walking is exercise. Exercise expends energy. Expending energy seems to calm tempers.

While on the walk:
    a. yell at the trees (or buildings) - cry if you need to.
    b. mutter a LOT (call him all those names you're thinking but don't mean while you're alone - even if you mean them right then)
    c. have the entire conversation you WANT to have with him by yourself. (my lectures - and at that point, they ARE lectures -  to him are INCREDIBLE  during those times)
     d. Now, sort through what you want to tell him to find where your errors in thinking are. Fix them.
    e. PROCESS what's happened if you can - find what's good about it. (You already know what's not good about it)
     f. Break your arguments down into processable segments so
that it will make sense to him. Sometimes, thoughts spoken in anger are confusing to the people hearing them even if they make perfect sense to us.
     g. Remind yourself that this IS what you were looking for and
ask yourself if what you're feeling is worth walking away (not saying you should actually contemplate walking away, but often, even saying such a thing helps to bring into perspective just how angry you are - and are not.)
7. When you get home, get a glass of WATER - nothing that will depress or agitate you. Drink it all - slowly.
8. Now would be a good time to BREATHE again.
9. IF you've calmed down enough, have the conversation you need with him. Try very hard not to raise your voice. We tend to feed on our feelings, so when you don't raise your voice, you don't feed your anger. (VERY IMPORTANT: Do not justify your fed upon anger as "this is just something I'm FEEEELING.." That's not necessarily true. Your initial anger was what you're feeling. The stuff that builds because we feed it is not. That stuff is just the crap that anger creates. Learn to recognize the difference. We think of temper tantrums as being childish, but fed-upon anger that's built up is an older person's temper tantrum. I find it helps to keep that in mind.)
10. Recognize that it's likely he will react in a defensive manner. Don't get upset by it. Pause. If he reacts in a manner that is too angry, suggest continuing the conversation after he's had time to think about what you've said.
10. When you begin to feel out of control of your emotions, suggest taking a break until you calm down so that you and he can continue to TALK.
11. CONTINUE the conversation when you're more in control of your emotions. DO NOT STUFF EMOTIONS OR CONFLICTS. Neither are good for either of you. However, explaining how you feel is much more conducive to your ability to communicate than raging at him - no matter how angry you are.

This is what I've done and so far, it's taken us through 4 years of being together with only one conflict that has been of any significance. We handled that one exactly this way too. Our discussion actually took us 6 months to get completely through, but we learned a LOT about each other, ourselves and more importantly, our relationship from it.

By the way, in case you think this is all one-sided, while not exactly the same, he has a similar way of dealing with things while he processes exactly what he wants to communicate to me. And he begins "I'm angry with you, but we'll discuss it tomorrow when I've had time to process what I'm thinking."

And the next day, we definitely DO discuss it.

Hope this helps a bit more than "from your answer, it seems that you like the anger."

juliet

 


This is purely brilliant!

If you walk regularly for exercise, work out your bad feelings then - I find that being in a bad mood makes me walk faster and work out harder.

I also have practice conversations with him when driving - people look at you funny at red lights, as you sit there talking to an empty car, but it really does help.

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/3/2007 12:35:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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Now see, hearing/reading that would just piss me off.

Being told to "just let the anger go" is not the same thing as offering suggestions as to HOW to let the anger go and it does not necessarily mean that someone enjoys being angry because they've dared to point that out for goodness sake.

From my point of view, "from your answer, it seems that you like the anger." is just a real nice condescending comment that means "I have NO clue how to let the anger go, but I'm definitely not going to admit that here."

Sorry, but I think the OP knows exactly how to let the anger go and does not actually NEED advice on how to do so. Or perhaps, at the age of 40, she has NEVER been angry with someone?




So by the ripe old age of 40 we're perfect and know how to deal with all of our problems?  Damn, I must have blinked and missed it.

But then I didn't meet my first Dom until after I was 40, so DBSM was a whole new world for me.  And I sure asked a lot of friends in the scene for advice in those first few years, despite my advanced age when I should, apparently, have been able to deal with anything.

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/3/2007 3:34:06 AM   
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This is purely brilliant!

If you walk regularly for exercise, work out your bad feelings then - I find that being in a bad mood makes me walk faster and work out harder.

I also have practice conversations with him when driving - people look at you funny at red lights, as you sit there talking to an empty car, but it really does help.


I do the same thing. My poor car has been yelled at often enough that if it was human, it'd probably have some sort of inferiority complex or something. However, I hesitated to say "go for a ride" simply because I wasn't going to advocate that an angry person get inside a car and begin to drive anywhere  -  nothing like taking anger for one person out on someone else who may be in another car on the road.

But you're right...the trick is to get the spitting fire part of anger out so that the actual issue can be dealt with in a positive manner. If that means you're going to yell at your dash board instead of a tree, then yell away. But please be careful out there on the road while you do it.

juliet

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/3/2007 3:40:36 AM   
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If it's caused by something he can change or control, I talk about it with him, quietly and calmly (or email, if it's hard to talk about.)

If it's something he can't change or control, I have to decide if I can live with it, or adjust things so it won't be so much of a problem for me.  Or learn to put up with it.  Or move on.


I never put anything into writing when discussing an issue with him. It's far too easy for one person's inflection and intonation to be far different than the other person's and so, the entire meaning may end up being misinterpreted. Besides, if it's that important then he deserves the respect of me telling it to him to his face.

It's kind of like this:

"It's time to eat, Grandma." or "It's time to eat Grandma."

One way is a call to dinner. The other way, Grandma IS dinner.

When something in writing is misinterpreted, then there's a whole new discussion on the table. So, it's far better for me to talk face to face, no matter HOW difficult it is, than to put what I'm thinking into writing and hope that he reads it the way I intended it to be read.

juliet

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/3/2007 7:28:55 AM   
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It's true, writing can be misinterpreted.  But it can be a way to initiate the discussion - I can give some simple clear statements about what's on my mind (assuming my mind is ever simple or clear).

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/3/2007 9:54:56 AM   
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Wow, this has been really surprising to me. I did not go into detail, as it was not necessary to understand how others deal with their ange in this lifestyle. Our past ways of handleing things are very different when we chose to be in whatever our role is here. Irishmist: Just to clarify, I am 40 and I am NOT perfect, and can not always just Let it go. All those that are perfect and 40 or older Please stand up.

I want to thank the board for the numerous ideas. I am over being angry with Master, and we have talked and it is better. Again, thank you for the insight.


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RE: Angry with Master - 7/7/2007 7:08:24 AM   
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just obey your master .he knows what is best for you

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/7/2007 7:19:40 AM   
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We are all human. Being a slave does not mean that you are unfeeling or a doormat. As others have tried to tell you, your Master does cherish the feelings you have (good or bad). They are what makes you unique and forms your personality. If you feel something, good or bad, you should be capable of sharing that with him. Some of us can do that calmly, some may have to write it down, some do it through a shower door, but it needs to be spoken. Swallowing it down leads to resentment, guilt and shame, and commonly ulcers. You are an adult, approach it as an adult. Resolve the situation before it worsens.

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RE: Angry with Master - 7/7/2007 8:14:08 AM   
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I agree with Ms Irish on this one
yes it can be hard depending on the situation but it is the best way to deal with it
 
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ORIGINAL: Sexyharleygirl

My question is this: How do you deal with being angry with your dom.

Let the anger go. When it's gone, sit down and respectfully let him know what angered you.


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