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RE: What are the ratios? - 6/30/2007 2:49:28 PM   
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95% of statistics are made up on the spot *WEG*



Actually, it's 98.13326%* of statistics that are made up on the spot.

*Plus or minus the squareroot of pi over the quadratic function of a slice of apple pie.


LOL, yeah your right my bad.. I must have made up that number!!!


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RE: What are the ratios? - 6/30/2007 8:55:01 PM   
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Great Link. The article seemed to tie orientation into age and development, which makes me wonder how our orientation may change as we grow and get older. As for myself, I used to be quite a fetishist, but that impulse and drive is nothing like it used to be now that I am in my 40s.

As I have matured as a submissive, I am now beginning to realize that I cherish and value connection more than I do submission; not that the two have to be mutually exclusive.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 6/30/2007 9:52:16 PM   
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I believe those researchers that say overall submissives greatly outnumber dominants and men greatly outnumber women. Submissive men being the most common overall followed by submissive women. These statistics generally include the gay and "straight" communities together so those in local "straight" communities may see very different breakdown.

50/50 doesn't make sense evolutionarily. Ideally most females should reproduce, but only the most "fit" males (however "fit" in terms of success in the given environment). This gives the best combination of preserving the best genes while maintaining diversity and efficiently utilizing reproductive resources. That's basic biology, though we are more complicated than that.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 6/30/2007 10:06:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's not basic biology.  That's basic mythology.  Natural selection affects women just as much as men.

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50/50 doesn't make sense evolutionarily. Ideally most females should reproduce, but only the most "fit" males (however "fit" in terms of success in the given environment). This gives the best combination of preserving the best genes while maintaining diversity and efficiently utilizing reproductive resources. That's basic biology, though we are more complicated than that.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 12:36:32 AM   
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Great Link. The article seemed to tie orientation into age and development, which makes me wonder how our orientation may change as we grow and get older. As for myself, I used to be quite a fetishist, but that impulse and drive is nothing like it used to be now that I am in my 40s.

As I have matured as a submissive, I am now beginning to realize that I cherish and value connection more than I do submission; not that the two have to be mutually exclusive.


I've gone the other way - as I get older I get more adventurous. 

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 6:18:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		On CM in my area the sub males to Dominant women are 4.3 to 1. The Dominant men to sub females are 2.1 to 1. I feel that to better the odds is to stand out in the crowd. I found it helpful to read the Message Board. I have a better understanding to what the other person is looking for.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 7:17:48 PM   
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When it comes to role pattern however, the young men seem to be much less clear about their orientation. Only half of the male group indicates a positive dominant role (52%), 14% indicates to be submissive and 34% indicates to switch roles. The vast majority (71%) of the female respondents indicates they are submissive, 19% switches roles and 10% has a dominant orientation.
Also, young women appear to be much more active when it comes to erotic power exchange. A strong majority of 62% indicates they have had at least one active erotic power exchange experience, whereas only 32% of the male respondents say they have had such an active experience.


That matches my experience in one particular: a wrote a test at OkCupid called "The D/s Test" and while the women's results are not exclusively submissive, they are strongly submissive.  The male respondents are all over the map.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 9:32:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Great Link. The article seemed to tie orientation into age and development, which makes me wonder how our orientation may change as we grow and get older. As for myself, I used to be quite a fetishist, but that impulse and drive is nothing like it used to be now that I am in my 40s.

As I have matured as a submissive, I am now beginning to realize that I cherish and value connection more than I do submission; not that the two have to be mutually exclusive.


I've gone the other way - as I get older I get more adventurous. 


I agree totally, I seem to be more brave now than I have ever been.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 9:37:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		That doesn't mean they aren't "clear" about their orientation.  What an asinine inference.  It means there is a great deal of variety, not that people aren't sure of who they are.

The problem with statistics is that they have to be interpreted, and most people frankly aren't conceptually capable of it.

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When it comes to role pattern however, the young men seem to be much less clear about their orientation. Only half of the male group indicates a positive dominant role (52%), 14% indicates to be submissive and 34% indicates to switch roles.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 9:57:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		the problem with statistics  and people are they arent really accurate and in some cases may not even apply to  you locally. Statistically speaking, statistics vary depending on well varibles. . ie. lets say 1000 male and 1000 female 18-24yr olds were  surveyed about sexual orientation. 900 males said they was hetro and 700 females said they was hetro.   Out of this  at least a few probably gave an inaccurate answer for various reasons( especially if it was a long survey and this was one of many questions). Then you have to look at who was targeted.  Its college age adults, but are they in college?  being in college makes a big difference  with something like this, IMO.  college people tend to be more "exploratory" than others. so they may be more unsure. 

You could nitpick any survey to death. Because their is no accurate  way to do it hence why surveys have margin of errors sometimes as much as 5%

If you are seeking ratio, in my experience  numbers of  whatever to whatever  varies with area. On CM to the women  their seems to be ALOT of DOMs but i see  alot of subs. Perhaps this is because i take more notice of subs? Overall i would suspect their are more female subs than Dom men. is it 50/50? i doubt it. but male/female ratio is never exactly 50/50 either. I imagine  their are more  subs that participate in BDSM than their are Doms that do overall.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 10:09:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's a different problem.  That has to do with the margin of error of the figures themselves, not the interpretation of the figures.  A persuasively interpreted statistical survey could still be very valuable even if it had a substantial margin of error.

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You could nitpick any survey to death. Because their is no accurate  way to do it hence why surveys have margin of errors sometimes as much as 5%.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 10:26:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		It could be valuable. I find statistics to be inaccurate,  but it depends on how the information is perceived also. If you wanted general knowledge of Dom/sub ratio say nationally( US)  or perhaps a  stat on  those who associate with BDSM to those who dont, just to get a feel of how much of the general  population is into BDSM, then surveys serve their purpose. But if you want to know the Dom/sub ratio because you are seeking, then  really you want to know the Dom/sub ratio  in the area your seeking So you would have to obtain a survey or do one yourself of the area pertaining to you.

I suppose outside of the margin of error, surveys are accurate. They are just often misinterpeted. People look at the whole pie when really they are only interested in a certain slice.


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That's a different problem.  That has to do with the margin of error of the figures themselves, not the interpretation of the figures.  A persuasively interpreted statistical survey could still be very valuable even if it had a substantial margin of error.

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You could nitpick any survey to death. Because their is no accurate  way to do it hence why surveys have margin of errors sometimes as much as 5%.



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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 10:31:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		You will learn what submissives/slaves/switches, whatever, think of ratios in this thread.......    http://www.collarchat.com/m_1117715/tm.htm
 
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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 11:19:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I agree with that--or else they focus on their one slice and ignore the rest of the pie.

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I suppose outside of the margin of error, surveys are accurate. They are just often misinterpeted. People look at the whole pie when really they are only interested in a certain slice.

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RE: What are the ratios? - 7/1/2007 11:37:32 PM   
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