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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/1/2007 9:26:29 PM   
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"BOY at various times has meant: 'a male servant', 'a servant or labourer from an indigenous people in Africa or Asia', 'a
male person of lowly status', 'a man of any age', and 'a male child'."

Were I  African-American, the term "boy" would surely be an insult!



And if i had a set of wings, man, you know i could fly.

i prefer "pet", but since "a male servant" is a pretty good description, i can't say i'd really have a problem with "boy"


Well, enjoy your "boyness," for it will certainly change in time.





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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/1/2007 9:28:52 PM   
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I concur.  While My boys have also all been younger than Me, I've never really looked it as a term of age, rather a term of affection.  I do usually use it in the context of "My boy" which has hardly an insult.  I've always seen the term as the equivilant to "girl" used in reference to a female submissive.


LadyPact:

I would love to hear how you say it, because if it is said with affection, it would surely change my mind.


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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/1/2007 9:36:18 PM   
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I am so happy that I brought up this topic.  It has been a wonderful experience to actually receive feedback.  Fancy that!  I only wish that I had introduced this topic sooner.


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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/1/2007 9:46:16 PM   
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There are lots of terms within the realm of bdsm that on the surface can sound "silly".   Mistress, slave, slut, pet, etc.

If I have decided to involve myself with someone, I am going to consider him to be a worthwhile human being regardless of what I might call him.  Generally, when refering to the male gender, I use the word male, and never boy(s), but often in one-on-one communication I use boy (good boy, silly boy).  I used to call a former submissive "geek boy" when he would go on about computers.  "Hush geek boy" always made him smile.  

Most of the time, when a Dominant is referring to her submissive, I would imagine that she cares for him, regardless of what she is calling him.  If the term seems silly to you, it sounds more like your hang-up rather than there being a negative, demeaning intent in the term itself.

As a believer in Female Supremacy, I would assume that you would hope yourself to be placed in a lower leadership role than the woman you are involved with.  I think "boy" (should this be her term of choice) seems appropriate in such a relationship. I personally would expect my submissive to be happy with whatever I choose to call him as he knows it pleases me. 


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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/1/2007 11:00:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

There are lots of terms within the realm of bdsm that on the surface can sound "silly".   Mistress, slave, slut, pet, etc.


MistressLorelei,

I suppose that what I am saying is that the "boy" term when used in reference to a mature male sounds silly.  And I only assume that the use of the word depends upon the way it is said and interpreted.  For some reason, and unbenounced to me, terms like "slave, "slut," and "pet," are a turn-on for me.   However,  I DO look upon myself as an adult, and outside of a scene or a relationship, it DOES sound silly to me.  What can I say?

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If I have decided to involve myself with someone, I am going to consider him to be a worthwhile human being regardless of what I might call him.  Generally, when refering to the male gender, I use the word male, and never boy(s), but often in one-on-one communication I use boy (good boy, silly boy).  I used to call a former submissive "geek boy" when he would go on about computers.  "Hush geek boy" always made him smile.


Using "boy" in that context really sounds like you care for your submissive.  And often it is said in gest, and not meant in demeaning way.  In my opinion, using a word in a demeaning fashion is not necessarily a bad thing, just as long as there is an understanding that it is used in an affectionate way, or that it is used within the context of a scene where the word is part of the interplay.

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Most of the time, when a Dominant is referring to her submissive, I would imagine that she cares for him, regardless of what she is calling him.  If the term seems silly to you, it sounds more like your hang-up rather than there being a negative, demeaning intent in the term itself.


Well, it might very well be my hang-up.  But the term "boy," when used in a particular way, and when a dominant is just meeting a sub for the first time, seems akin to the sub calling her "mistress" without her permission or with respect to protocol. 

Example: "Tell me what you look for in an ideal Mistress, boy!" 

Eek!  How impersonal!

If a domme can call a submissive, who she has never met, "boy," then why is it a breach of protocol to refer to a dominant female as "Mistress" when there is not yet a personal relationship?

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As a believer in Female Supremacy, I would assume that you would hope yourself to be placed in a lower leadership role than the woman you are involved with.  I think "boy" (should this be her term of choice) seems appropriate in such a relationship. I personally would expect my submissive to be happy with whatever I choose to call him as he knows it pleases me.


Yes, and it would be an appropriate term for a Female Supremicist, or for that matter any Mistress, providing there was an established relationship between the two; but outside of that, being called "boy" without that relationship, in my opinion, is being presumtuous.

Also, and in my opinion, once a relationship is established between dominant and submissive, she has the right to dictate the terms, as well as to refer to me in whatever manner she decides.

I hope that I have put this topic to rest, but one never knows.  Anyway, bring it on if you will!


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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 2:30:47 AM   
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Oh yeah. In the context of a first meeting, that's terribly rude. I get guys calling me "girl" and "slave" and even...**shudder**..."kitten". And no one but Daddy flys by and calls me kitten >.<


But in the context of a relationship, I can see several different places and connotations where it would be perfect....puppy play, age play, degredation/humiliation...


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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 4:18:14 AM   
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I think many Mistresses and Dommes refer to their sub as my boy. In the way and tone of how you said, any name can be an insult.

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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 8:43:34 AM   
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Despite their chronological age (they could be older or younger than I), there is a slightly maternalistic overtone in the way I lovingly Dominate ... thus I call My subs My boy or My girl as a term of endearment and affection. I also call them pet, poppet, sweetie, little one (and I don't care if he's 6'4 and massive!), darlin' boy/girl and any number of other affectionate terms. I less commonly use slut verbally, but quite like wax writing MJ's SLUT on a proffered ass! Early in a relationship I expect someone to address Me as Maam and not Mistress. Sometimes at that stage I might use boy/girl as a means of deliberately being a bit impersonal ... but not usually. It would be more to damp down a sub that I felt was becoming overly personal with Me too quickly.

If this is your greatest stumbling block though ... be grateful!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 8:54:25 AM   
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Saturday evening I showed off to some frineds by showing them a gift I had recieved recently and it gave me a lot of pleasure and made me feel proud to say "Look what my boy gave me."  Saying boy makes me feel warm and caring about him.  It evokes something in a totally different catagory than romantic or maternal, but still something personal and important.  Sometimes I combine the title boy with their name and he becomes "boy-gobblegook".  When I say it it had nothing at all to do with age or to be demeaning.  It is to denote his place in my life as a term of affection and care.
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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 9:06:24 AM   
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Despite their chronological age (they could be older or younger than I), there is a slightly maternalistic overtone in the way I lovingly Dominate.


Hmmm...maternalistic?  I never thought about that aspect, MaamJay.  Thank you for mentioning it.




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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 9:10:57 AM   
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{read the thread, fast reply}

its all about preference & triggers

obviously you have an aversion to the term & it triggers a negative response in you

to those who are pleased to be called such it triggers a positive response in them

Everyone has to recognize their preferences & triggers. You've done just that with this topic. It would be in your best interest to convey this finding to those who may consider using this term with you & tell them that you do not respond well to this term.

As for continuing to debate this with the goal of having everyone see it your way & agree to it being silly in the way that you see it... well, that is silly. I don't like domme but I don't go around telling people how silly it is & that they should abolish the term. If the occasion presents itself, I simply tell people that I prefer not to be addressed as such.

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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 9:19:04 AM   
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I agree with MaamJay regarding the maternalistic undertones of "boy." Also, I think it was Lashra who talked about "place." Altho, I would not and do not agree with anyone who calls a sub male "boy" upon the first email encounter with any expectation of obedience...

Next, I know of many African American "boys" in the life who are not offended whatsoever with this designation...it just is who they are.

And now you know how many of us grown women feel, it now being the year 2007, and by and large, in the vanilla realm, we are still referred to as "girls." Go figure.


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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 9:32:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

{read the thread, fast reply}

its all about preference & triggers

obviously you have an aversion to the term & it triggers a negative response in you

to those who are pleased to be called such it triggers a positive response in them

Everyone has to recognize their preferences & triggers. You've done just that with this topic. It would be in your best interest to convey this finding to those who may consider using this term with you & tell them that you do not respond well to this term.

As for continuing to debate this with the goal of having everyone see it your way & agree to it being silly in the way that you see it... well, that is silly. I don't like domme but I don't go around telling people how silly it is & that they should abolish the term. If the occasion presents itself, I simply tell people that I prefer not to be addressed as such.


MstrssPassion,

You are right, and in my case, it does trigger a negative response; but I also realize that it makes a big difference when someone I do not know uses it in an e-mail, or whether someone I know verbally expresses it in a loving way.

As you must know, writing leaves much to be desired, and inflection and intonation are not easily perceptible when using the written word -- especially when people do not know each other.

My purpose for this post is not to change anyone's mind, and it is only my own POV and no one else's.  Some agree and some don't.  It's a free country, so let them use the term if they like...or not!  It really makes no difference to me.  And I certainly have the right to express my views here just as much as you.




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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 9:38:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

I agree with MaamJay regarding the maternalistic undertones of "boy." Also, I think it was Lashra who talked about "place." Altho, I would not and do not agree with anyone who calls a sub male "boy" upon the first email encounter with any expectation of obedience...

Next, I know of many African American "boys" in the life who are not offended whatsoever with this designation...it just is who they are.

And now you know how many of us grown women feel, it now being the year 2007, and by and large, in the vanilla realm, we are still referred to as "girls." Go figure.


MNN


MistressNoName, and FYI, I have never used the term "girl" when talking to a woman.  And if those of African heritage don't mind being called "boy" or "boi," I have no reason to be offended by the term if they are not.


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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 9:43:21 AM   
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Yes, I did skip those two points.  I didn't mention the maternal context.  I think that comes from the specific type of relationship.  It goes with My ideal that My submissive will 'grow' with Me.  This, in turn, goes back to it being a term of endearment.  As We grow together, We grow closer.
 
Definitely agree with the term not being thrown about at a first meeting.  I do see that as the same as someone calling Me "Mistress" the first time We are introduced.  However, once something has been established, much like what Opal said, it is a completely different matter.  Using the term "My boy" has a very special feeling and connection with it.

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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 10:09:20 AM   
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Don't think I'd have a problem with the term "boy"at all, as long as there was a respectful undertone to the relationship. I surely would enjoy the term if and when it was accompanied with something like "good boy", "I'm proud of my boy", or "I love my boy". I'd surely melt and want to crawl up onto her lap and purrrrr like a little kitty.....

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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 10:52:23 AM   
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a quick glance at the use of 'boy' (or 'boi') in the dyke/queer bdsm scene should be enough to show that the term is not especially anchored to any simple attributes of the sub, be it age or sex.

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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 10:52:26 AM   
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It's person specific, it's gestalt, it's a style/presentation/vibe "thing." "Boy" can also be genetically female, easily. To me someone just *is* or *isn't.*


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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 11:01:29 AM   
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Ive always refered to adam as  my boy.  Its said with love and has never been in any way used with a bad tone or in a nasty way Im quite sure I find it hard to imagine calling someone boy could be taken offensively.  I guess for me I call him my boy becasue as someone has already mentioned there is almost a maternal feel with my relationship with him.  I want to protect him and nurture him and all sorts of things which makes him my boy.  There really isnt another word I could use for him (unless we are having a session and then I have plenty of other words I use ;) )

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RE: What is with this "boy" thing? - 7/2/2007 11:31:14 AM   
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