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GeekyGirl -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:36:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

Losing your job for being pregnant is illegal and if she was smart, she'd sue.


Again with the illogical factually incorrect information.  Under the equal opportunity federal laws race, gender, age, and disabilities are protected classes, but being pregnant isn't a protected class.  Some states, such as my state of Connecticut have sexual orientation has a protected class however none of them have pregnant as a protected class.  Almost all states are fire at will states, which means except for being a member of a protected class (under which you'd have some legal recourse), you can be fired whenever the employer wants to do so.

So no she wouldn't have a very strong case for suing her employer because she was pregnant.

C~


Family medical leave act. Yes, it's illegal to fire for pregnancy.




GeekyGirl -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:37:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

Sorry, empathy isn't my strong suit and never was (you musta missed the aspergers thread.)

I am not an empathetic person and have no interest in becoming one.



That was a sarcastic "sorry". As in "too bad soo sad,sorry buddy".




LadyEllen -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:38:00 AM)

Its dead easy for employers to get round employment law if thats how they intend to play it, dont worry.

It was decided by my former employer that they didnt want a TS in the office, even though that person had not only made the company successful but also rescued it from bankruptcy at one point. Dismissal was out of the question - against the sexual discrimination laws. They tried to encourage this person to leave - tried to cut the salary, remove the company car etc so they couldnt afford to work there anymore. Then they reassigned this person's duties to that of clerical support from being general manager of the whole place. None of it worked.

Then they came up with a master stroke - gross misconduct which could neither be proven nor disproven.

Never mind, I got three months' pay whilst suspended and full use of the car and fuel card for that period. Just what I needed for setting up the company that has since fucked these assholes every which way since. Yov gorra loff.

E




Wildfleurs -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:38:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

Losing your job for being pregnant is illegal and if she was smart, she'd sue.


Again with the illogical factually incorrect information.  Under the equal opportunity federal laws race, gender, age, and disabilities are protected classes, but being pregnant isn't a protected class.  Some states, such as my state of Connecticut have sexual orientation has a protected class however none of them have pregnant as a protected class.  Almost all states are fire at will states, which means except for being a member of a protected class (under which you'd have some legal recourse), you can be fired whenever the employer wants to do so.

So no she wouldn't have a very strong case for suing her employer because she was pregnant.

C~


Family medical leave act. Yes, it's illegal to fire for pregnancy.



Only if you've worked at least 1,200 hours or 12 months for the employer.

C~




GeekyGirl -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:39:04 AM)

The Pregnancy Discrimination Act is an amendment to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Discrimination on the basis of pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions constitutes unlawful sex discrimination under Title VII, which covers employers with 15 or more employees, including state and local governments. Title VII also applies to employment agencies and to labor organizations, as well as to the federal government. Women who are pregnant or affected by related conditions must be treated in the same manner as other applicants or employees with similar abilities or limitations.

Taken from:
http://www.eeoc.gov/types/pregnancy.html




RCdc -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:40:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

Sorry, empathy isn't my strong suit and never was (you musta missed the aspergers thread.)

I am not an empathetic person and have no interest in becoming one.



That was a sarcastic "sorry". As in "too bad soo sad,sorry buddy".



And ?[sm=goodnight.gif]
 
Peace
the.dark.




GeekyGirl -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:41:53 AM)

AND , Darcy, it wasn't an apology. It was a smart-assed statement.




instynctive -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:42:35 AM)

I guess you completely missed the part of my post that stated we did try to go after them, but no lawyer would take on the case because it is difficult, if not IMPOSSIBLE to prove she was fired for her pregnancy, espceially with the company making up boldfaced lies about the reasons she was terminated.


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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

The Pregnancy Discrimination Act is an amendment to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Discrimination on the basis of pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions constitutes unlawful sex discrimination under Title VII, which covers employers with 15 or more employees, including state and local governments. Title VII also applies to employment agencies and to labor organizations, as well as to the federal government. Women who are pregnant or affected by related conditions must be treated in the same manner as other applicants or employees with similar abilities or limitations.

Taken from:
http://www.eeoc.gov/types/pregnancy.html





Alumbrado -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:43:33 AM)

D&td, you are hoist by your own petard...

'Sorry' in that context is clearly a conversational device, a mere figure of speech, not an apology, and certainly nothing approaching an admission of wrongdoing.

Lack of empathy is one of the DSM criteria for Aspergers... so criticisms of someone with Aspergers for lacking empathy are especially ironic.




Wildfleurs -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:44:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

The Pregnancy Discrimination Act is an amendment to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Discrimination on the basis of pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions constitutes unlawful sex discrimination under Title VII, which covers employers with 15 or more employees, including state and local governments. Title VII also applies to employment agencies and to labor organizations, as well as to the federal government. Women who are pregnant or affected by related conditions must be treated in the same manner as other applicants or employees with similar abilities or limitations.

Taken from:
http://www.eeoc.gov/types/pregnancy.html



That is guidance on how pregnant people are handled on the job, not whether they are fired, which again in a fire at will state isn't going to help unless you are a protected class (i.e. if you aren't a protected class, you probably won't be successful in a lawsuit, which is what you said she'd be stupid to not do).

C~




GeekyGirl -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:48:18 AM)

Actually I believe it  does cover getting fired....read the entire thing.




RCdc -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:48:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl
Either way, I don't consider my lack of empathy to be a negative trait. I consider most people to be bleeding hearts with too much empathy.



*falls about laughing*

More! More! You're priceless. [:D]

You claim to have no empathy, and that may be true, you seem to lack many other human traits so why not empathy? But you don't have to be empathic to recognise that not every homeless person is there by choice, and that thanks to a little thing called unemployment there are not, as you boldly claim 'jobs everywhere'.

You say you hate lazy people, but what about ignorant ones? Like maybe those who can't speak for England or Europe, but wait! Isn't England IN Europe? Was last time I checked, so before you start railing on stereotypes and making generalisations perhaps you should put your lil' shovel down and stop digging this wonderful hole that you're slowly disappearing into. (And I'm sure your aunt would be thrilled to hear you speak of her in such glowing terms. She must be very proud.)

You sling generalisations around like confetti - 'most homeless women I've come in contact with have spent their whole lives popping out puppies instead of getting a job and an education' - Really? Have you asked them all whether they have an education? Even if not, perhaps they chose to have children just as you have chosen not to (see I *did* read your profile, and I can almost hear Darwin sigh with relief).

You're young, honey, you think you're the shit, and maybe you are in GeekyGirl World, but you have much to learn about the way the world works, and you will in time. Your fault is your lack of empathy, mine is sarcasm and being patronizing when an easy target pops his or her head above the parapet, so don't take me too seriously (because I certainly don't), and just remember sometimes to put your cerebellum in gear before applying those digits to the keyboard with insupportable facts.

You're great! [sm=biggrin.gif]

Darcy




Alumbrado -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:48:48 AM)

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Again with the illogical factually incorrect information.  Under the equal opportunity federal laws race, gender, age, and disabilities are protected classes, but being pregnant isn't a protected class. 


http://www.eeoc.gov/types/pregnancy.html

Apparently the EEOC doesn't have your depth of knowledge about what is and isn't covered under federal civil rights laws.




GeekyGirl -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:49:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

D&td, you are hoist by your own petard...

'Sorry' in that context is clearly a conversational device, a mere figure of speech, not an apology, and certainly nothing approaching an admission of wrongdoing.

Lack of empathy is one of the DSM criteria for Aspergers... so criticisms of someone with Aspergers for lacking empathy are especially ironic.


And this is something I touched on in the aspergers thread. We get accused of lack of empathy and when we notify people that there is a REASON (not an excuse but a medical REASON) for that trait, we get blasted for using it as an excuse.

Go figure.

I guess paranoid schizos are just using their illness as an "excuse" to hear voices.It's TOTALLY within their control, right [:D]




LaTigresse -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:50:51 AM)

After reading this thread through all I can say is that I have an extremely low tollerance for intollerant, rude, judgemental people. I believe that to be my, Bitch Syndrome.




GeekyGirl -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:53:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl
Either way, I don't consider my lack of empathy to be a negative trait. I consider most people to be bleeding hearts with too much empathy.



*falls about laughing*

More! More! You're priceless. [:D]

You claim to have no empathy, and that may be true, you seem to lack many other human traits so why not empathy? But you don't have to be empathic to recognise that not every homeless person is there by choice, and that thanks to a little thing called unemployment there are not, as you boldly claim 'jobs everywhere'.

You say you hate lazy people, but what about ignorant ones? Like maybe those who can't speak for England or Europe, but wait! Isn't England IN Europe? Was last time I checked, so before you start railing on stereotypes and making generalisations perhaps you should put your lil' shovel down and stop digging this wonderful hole that you're slowly disappearing into. (And I'm sure your aunt would be thrilled to hear you speak of her in such glowing terms. She must be very proud.)

You sling generalisations around like confetti - 'most homeless women I've come in contact with have spent their whole lives popping out puppies instead of getting a job and an education' - Really? Have you asked them all whether they have an education? Even if not, perhaps they chose to have children just as you have chosen not to (see I *did* read your profile, and I can almost hear Darwin sigh with relief).

You're young, honey, you think you're the shit, and maybe you are in GeekyGirl World, but you have much to learn about the way the world works, and you will in time. Your fault is your lack of empathy, mine is sarcasm and being patronizing when an easy target pops his or her head above the parapet, so don't take me too seriously (because I certainly don't), and just remember sometimes to put your cerebellum in gear before applying those digits to the keyboard with insupportable facts.

You're great! [sm=biggrin.gif]

Darcy



LOL, my aunt knows exactly what I think of her...remember, I'm blunt...I've told her tons of times. "Gee if you would have gotten an education, you woudn't be a 55yr old waitress would ya?"

But all that aside, a debate is a debate,and though I get involved in them, I don't take them that seriously. I may be arguing with you, but it doesn't mean I have a lot opinion of you and you're still alright in my book :)




RCdc -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:54:16 AM)

Nobody is criticising Geeky for lacking empathy - I just don't see why you need to use aspergers as an explaination/excuse etc when a few posts before and after she was criticising people and saying she lacked empathy for the reason for being unemployed - including syndromes and medical/mental issues.  Its just a double standard.
 
Why not say I just lack empathy?  Why add the caveat of 'because of Aspergers'?
I am a bitch sometimes because I am just a bitch.  I am not going to turn and blame it on anything else, or use something as a caveat, no matter my mental health - which is exactly what Geeky was complaining about in the first place.  Using excuses or explainations as a means to an end.
 
Peace
the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:56:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

AND , Darcy, it wasn't an apology. It was a smart-assed statement.


That was the.dark.posting that, GeekyGirl, I am Darcy.

Do pay attention, dear.


Darcy




RCdc -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:57:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl
But all that aside, a debate is a debate,and though I get involved in them, I don't take them that seriously. I may be arguing with you, but it doesn't mean I have a lot opinion of you and you're still alright in my book :)



FYI - you are 'arguing' with an 'us' not a 'you'....[;)]
 
Peace
the.dark.




Alumbrado -> RE: Whilst you are fast asleep in your bed... (7/2/2007 9:58:16 AM)

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I just don't see why you need to use aspergers as an explaination/excuse etc when a few posts before and after she was criticising people and saying she lacked empathy for the reason for being unemployed -


OK, if I hold my head just so, I can kinda-sorta see where you are coming from...but the irony still gets to me first.






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