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begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:00:44 AM   
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my thoughts are my thoughts just wanting to see others options.
should a collar be begged or offered?

one more----- what means more a wedding ring or a collar?

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:12:15 AM   
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I believe that whether a collar is offered or begged for solely depends upon the dynamics of that specific Dom/sub. Yet in the end, it is the Dom who will detemine if the sub is ready to be collared and will act accordingly.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:12:49 AM   
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I begged for my collar, and then was sent off to think about some very serious questions he asked me with regard to being collared by him, before he granted it.  A slave will always have to beg/petition him for his collar.  This way both he and she are very clear about what it is she asking for, and about her desire and willingness to take that step with him.  He does not want a slave who is not fully aware of what slavery to him requires, and who does not absolutely want to be there.  This process makes both parties certain of that.  I for one am grateful for that opportunity.  If he had "asked" me to wear his collar, that would have put me (a) in the drivers seat as to what direction we were going in; and (b) in a position of possibly accepting it as an effort to give him what he wanted, even if I was uncertain.  His process protected us from that.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:14:15 AM   
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that depends on the type of relationship you have with your dom so can i only offer my experience. i didn't beg for Daddy's collar ...you could say He sort of offered it to me though it was more like we had discussions about having me collared.  

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:17:39 AM   
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I think it depends on the dynamics of your relationship, and probably alot with how you were raised. I was raised to believe that a woman never asked a man out, it was being too "forward". If I hadnt gotten over that silly piece of logic and asked the cute guy at work out, I never would have gotten married to the most wonderful man in my life 5 years ago.

I believe that who ever comes to the realization that they want to be in a collared relationship (as the collarer or as the collaree) should initiate the request. If you sit around waiting for the other person to say something, they may be waiting on you and then neither of you will ever know.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:24:13 AM   
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my thoughts are my thoughts just wanting to see others options.
should a collar be begged or offered?


I am of the begging school.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:33:52 AM   
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From a personal standpoint only
 
I firmly believe that a collar should be begged by the one who is going to wear the collar. I also believe though that a collar should never be placed around a neck until the one wearing it understands 100% what it entails.
 
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my girl and I have been together for almost 5 years now and she is still uncollared. Just a little quirk I have about moving too fast and making sure that everyone is comfortable with the movement of the relationship.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:54:29 AM   
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Who proposes marriage?  Does it really matter?

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:54:35 AM   
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I think it depends on the relationship.  Master and I talked about it before and all that it meant, but I never begged for it.  He knew I was interested and he knew he wanted me to be his, so it happened.  I have a feeling if the woman I am talking with now ever thinks it's time, I will be begging.  That is okay with me though, because the dynamic is a bit different.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 7:55:01 AM   
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I offer the first level of my collars. This indicates that I'm interested in a commited relationship, following my guidelines. The other collars must be petitioned.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 8:06:25 AM   
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What means more; a wedding ring or collar? Now this will have so many different answers that it could be quite interesting. For myself, the wedding ring that melissa wears means nothing to ME. The collar that she will eventually wear; means a lot to ME.
 
Melissa will have a different opinion on this; just as I am sure that many others will. Going to be interesting to watch this one.
 
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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 8:29:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: najla12

my thoughts are my thoughts just wanting to see others options.
should a collar be begged or offered?

one more----- what means more a wedding ring or a collar?


I don't have a collar but for the brand and the piercing I remember that we talked about it for a long time and then in particular for the brand I had to beg repeatedly for it.

I'm not married to my owner, but I'd say if I were the brand would mean more.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 8:43:49 AM   
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A slave will always have to beg/petition him for his collar.  This way both he and she are very clear about what it is she asking for, and about her desire and willingness to take that step with him.  He does not want a slave who is not fully aware of what slavery to him requires, and who does not absolutely want to be there.  This process makes both parties certain of that.  I for one am grateful for that opportunity.  If he had "asked" me to wear his collar, that would have put me (a) in the drivers seat as to what direction we were going in; and (b) in a position of possibly accepting it as an effort to give him what he wanted, even if I was uncertain.  His process protected us from that.

Hello ownedgirlie,
I see your point and it seems that for you two, this was definitely the way to go.  With Master and I, however, we saw things totally differently.  We fully discussed both His and my expectations before any decision was made to enter into our M/s relationship.  We both were very clear about what the other desired and would contribute to such a dynamic.  We accomplished this by much heart-to-heart, open, honest conversation.  He had no desire that I petition or beg for His collar or ownership of me.  I would have had He desired such but He did not. 

However, He didn't so much "ask" me either.  After all the talk was accomplished and it was clear that He and I both wanted the very same things, it was merely assumed that I was going to become His property and wear His collar.  He never formally asked.  He bought a collar and, when we next met, we talked some more and then He slipped it around my neck.  Nothing formal - it was just done and my acceptance of it was clear.  I was no more in charge of the direction in which we went than He was.  It was very much an equal decision at that point.  Only after the collar went on and His ownership was established, did the power inequality, so to speak, begin and the decision-making power shift to Him.

I said above that I would have petitioned or begged had that been necessary and I would have.  I wanted to be owned by Him and I would have done whatever that entailed.  However, I honestly would not have felt comfortable doing it.  To me - and this is only my personal opinion about how I would feel doing it myself and not a reflection on anyone else - it would seem desperate.  Kind of like a woman begging a man to give her an engagement ring.  It's my feeling that if that man wanted her to have it, he would offer it and she could decide whether or not she wants to accept it and all that entails.  For her to beg him seems a bit pathetic.  I felt the same way with Master and the collar and the ownership that represented.  If I had to beg and plead for Him to offer it, how interested was He in me having it to start with?  I would rather have it offered so that I could feel free to accept or not.  Once that was done, then my freedom to make further major decisions such as that was given up and the decision-making power given over to Him.

He offered it and I accepted and He has been "in charge" ever since.  Though I know not everyone feels that's the way to do it, it certainly was for us.  I think that whatever works for each couple is the way it should be done regardless of how others would do it................luci

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 8:45:22 AM   
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To me personally, the wedding ring would mean more. A wedding ring would also not make me any less of a slave....
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i couldn't agree more with Luci girl here....as always well said Luci!


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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 8:48:48 AM   
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In my current relationship, I would say my wedding ring means much much more.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 8:51:01 AM   
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This topic as usual has a lot of answers that will be right for different people.

Collars, rings, frat pins, brands, class rings, piercings, uniforms, necklaces, bracelets, tattoos and many other things can be a symbol of connection between people, including dominant and submissive people.

How important any symbol is to the connected folks is something only they can know.

The tradition of offering or requesting collars in BD/SM relationships is historically very new. While collars have been used as bondage devices for hundreds of years, the thought of this item symbolizing connection developed after internet BD/SM sites developed, not much before the 1990's. Yes puppy play or kitty play folks used it earlier as part of their scene, but it meant nothing more than a bondage tool to most of the community.

The only slang use of "to collar" was the police making an arrest.

For some this is a joke, for others it is as serious as "teen angel" getting hit by the train looking for her lover's ring.

You and your partners must decide whether one will be gifted with a collar after earning it or will be allowed to have one after begging for it, or whatever.

There are a lot of people who do not use collars, especially in every day life, but who have a special symbol of importance to all involved.

I know a lot of folks have their oun rules on this topic, as of course they are all entitled to.


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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 9:00:39 AM   
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Reposted:
Whatever works for you.

Everyone has to agree to it in the end, so it's just a matter of preference and emotional attachment that chooses one over the other.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 9:12:40 AM   
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i have to agree with the general belief that it is dependent upon the nature of the relationship...but in my own "little world" i believe it to neither be begged for nor offered, but "earned"

just my opinion, as always *smile*


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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 9:22:20 AM   
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I begged for my collar, and then was sent off to think about some very serious questions he asked me with regard to being collared by him, before he granted it.  A slave will always have to beg/petition him for his collar.  This way both he and she are very clear about what it is she asking for, and about her desire and willingness to take that step with him.  He does not want a slave who is not fully aware of what slavery to him requires, and who does not absolutely want to be there.  This process makes both parties certain of that.  I for one am grateful for that opportunity.  If he had "asked" me to wear his collar, that would have put me (a) in the drivers seat as to what direction we were going in; and (b) in a position of possibly accepting it as an effort to give him what he wanted, even if I was uncertain.  His process protected us from that.




this is interesting to me, because my Master firmly believes that a would-be slave should never beg a collar for the very reasons your Master feels a slave should beg a collar. Daddy feels that begging such a thing is highly presumptious of a girl, like she is assuming that she is desired by the Master. this is one reason he doesn't really care for begging in general, with the exception of very rare special circumstances...he feels it comes from a place of too much focus on self. but i can certainly understand the other perspective as well, it's all in how you view it really.

my collar (or rather my slavery, no physical collar was involved) was offered to me, after he explained in an overview way to me precisely what it meant to be his property. i accepted immediately, because it simply felt right to me. but to say that at that moment, at barely 19 yrs of age and no previous lifestyle relationship experience, i fully understood what it meant to be a slave and especially what it would mean to be HIS slave, would be a lie. i didn't fully understand, and i had more than my share of growing pains those first two years as understanding hit me upside the head like a brick, lol. i believe he knew this as well, and that he understood it was going to be a process, however he did not want to go through that process unless i had already committed to being his. others may have proceeded with a non-ownership D/s dynamic for that two years or so and then discussed ownership. however my Master is the sort of Dominant who can only tolerate being Master...anything else frustrates him ceaselessly. and i knew, even as a virgin to it all, that slavery was the only path for me, no matter how hard that road was.

so for us, my being offered his collar was what was natural and right for our dynamic, but it's very interesting to hear about the other side and the reasons why. above, owned mentioned that in being offered a collar there is the possibility that a slave may accept it not necessarily out of a true desire and need to do so, but out of a need and desire to please the Master, give him what he wants. this is true, and i have seen it happen before with others. there's a slave in our circle who accepted her Master's collar when he offered it to her for only 2 reasons: she did not want to shame him by refusing him (our M/s community is tightly knit, others would know within hours), and she wanted to please him. but in truth she did not wish to be owned by this man, and she has been quite miserable about it since. she tried begging release, he would not grant it. so she is basically stuck in an unfilling relationship because of being offered a collar and not knowing the proper way to handle it.

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RE: begged or offered - 7/3/2007 9:43:37 AM   
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I'm with luci here. I didn't beg for my collar. My desire and willingness to be in this relationship was demonstrated often. I never once asked him to do anything for me. The way I looked at it was that if he wanted me, he'd take me. Since I wanted him each and every time he came for me, I was there, and I never complained when he wasn't. And there were LOTS of times he made himself intentionally absent for extended periods of time with no explanations - just to see what I'd do. Yea, for most people, his actions probably would have been some of those "kick him to the curb" things. From my point of view though, I didn't want him to be around if being around wasn't what he wanted to do. If he was going to be in charge, then me whining about what he did and didn't do when he was in charge was kind of in opposition to what I was looking for.

lol...it got worse before it got better. He collared me on April 3rd. He handed me a box with the collar in it as I was getting into my car to go home. He said, don't open this until you get into your house. Don't shake it. Don't do anything with it. Call me when you get home. He gave me a kiss and sent me on my way. That damn box called my name all the way home. I kept hoping I'd have to stop suddenly so that the box would accidently fall on the floor and I'd have to pick it up - you know how those things just get accidently so shook when that happens... When I got home, I opened it and was stunned. He'd never given anyone a collar before. I called him immediately with just about a ton of questions. He answered every one of them. And that was that. I was collared.

Except I didn't ask one very important question...because again, if he's in charge, then he's in charge and he'll make those decisions. I didn't ask him when we'd play again. Over time, I found out. While we did some things, we didn't have a full-blown scene/session until April 24 - of the following year. That year was a very very difficult year, but I really meant it when I said "I submit" and I never wanted him to do anything that he didn't want to do unless and until he wanted to do it. Since my promise to him was that I would be here until he told me to go, leaving wasn't an option. I waited...and when things got too tough, and I felt I couldn't do it anymore, I reminded myself who I was and what I was and what I'd always wanted and waited some more.

And I never begged - because he told me once (all it took was once) that if I ever asked him for anything, it'd be last on the list of things he'd do. So I waited.

My reward has been that ANYTHING he's ever done with or for me, I've always known that he wasn't doing it just because I wanted him to do it. He was doing it because HE wanted to do it. And more than anything in the world, that's exactly what I hope for for him. So, even when my self-confidence takes a dip as it sometimes does, the ONE thing I never worry about is whether he wants me, cause I've never had to wonder if he did this or that for me simply because he got tired of listening to me beg or not.

If he's in charge, then he's in charge...it's always been real simple to me.

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