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Aswad -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/7/2007 8:00:02 AM)
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ORIGINAL: TigerNINTails
Absolutely, on the Arnis and Kali points. Escrima as well... In fact, the redondo strike of Arnis (or am I thinking of Escrima?) when I'm in a correct position to use it, with a cane or crop delivers a wonderful stripe...
Sorry, as I said, my experience with this is second-hand.
I'm still mostly working the hand-to-hand part of the curriculum for my own school.
Stick weapons (10-180cm) are at the "do basic exercises occasionally, so the body has time to assimilate the basics" level, for now. I haven't started any serious work with chain weapons yet, either. I'm quite familiar with the surface bruising / striping bits, though.
That's what I get for playing (on my own time) with exercises beyond my own level. [:D]
I'm looking forward to learning how to use a single-tail properly, though.
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Because the movements, while not necessarily having to carry much weight would stripe and contact repeatedly very fast.
~nod~
It's easy to make things look and sound a lot more serious than they are.
Surface impacts can bruise easily, and can be delivered quickly.
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So I agree also that control is really the predominant factor to safety, because for all the techniques you could learn, to understand the movement without understanding the control of that movement would do most people into the practice of striking with bare hands or fists and feet, more harm than good...
Definitely. There are a few moves that can be learnt well with little control, and some body dynamics that work without any. I would not like to see how that would turn out. That's why I only teach "tricks" to people I trust, people I know understand to treat it with the same respect they would a knife or a gun.
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We used to practice that, actually, and that was go out and look at different people on the street... I had gotten pretty good at identifying when someone had a sports injury, from weight lifting, or football or something, judging by how they carried their shoulder, or took a step.
I haven't bothered much with sports injuries or things like that, but I sometimes get odd looks from people. They will be mentioning they're doing MA, and then I notice these things (I haven't made a habit of looking for it), so I go like "Ah, so-and-so style, right?" and they'll get this odd look and be all "How did you guess?" ~g~
It's kind of funny, really.
Most schools stick at the "mainstream" level of teaching fitness and maybe a bit of self defense. Some take it a few notches further, and work with a more complete physical curriculum and train harder. Very few schools take it close to the original pre-WW2 levels (for Japan; the Chinese arts show much the same popular vs serious distribution around here, and I suspect that holds elsewhere, too).
Mine goes eight out of the nine yards. We're not all "I don't care if that boken knocked you out, get back in line." But we do stick to hard impact training, and include the more esoteric parts of the curriculum, without straying into the woods, so to speak. (I'm sure you're familiar with where the lines between esoteric and nonsensical runs, and what it's like on both sides of that line; I just don't want to offend anyone.)
Mindset, ethics, and so forth are included, though one doesn't need to adopt it all. Those who have a historical interest can pick up the obsolete parts as well, like herbs, setting bones, etc. We're not that big on recruiting. If a student isn't willing to go the whole nine yards in a real conflict, we recommend another style, like aikido, since our training is based on the old (pre-Meiji) mindset. When they're looking for fitness / exercise, we point them at cardio kickboxing or whatever, which will give them more of that, and which they're more likely to stick with.
We try to avoid telegraphing the style.
My hands look like I've been doing Wado ryu, a look I try to maintain. Body dynamic wise I try to give an ambiguous impression, but I borrow the Shotokan tendency for an instep (I've never done Shotokan), which is one of the most obvious things to look for. All in all, I get the impression people view me as someone who did karate some years ago, for a little while.
That's quite to my liking.
Makes them expect blows, blind kicks and so forth.
I don't deliver on the expectations, as sparring partners have found out. [:D]
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