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Vendaval -> "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 7:52:19 AM)

"U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies"

Alan Bjerga
Tue Jul 3, 12:11 AM ET

" July 3 (Bloomberg) -- The immigration bill that was killed by the U.S. Senate focused on the nation's 12 million illegal aliens. To many farmers, the issue is more about such people as Thomas Murphy, an Irishman who leads a crew of combine operators from the U.K., cutting wheat across a swath of the Great Plains.

Murphy's crew and 2,500 other skilled, legal immigrants who come from places such as South Africa, Australia and New Zealand to cut grain are among the most productive workers in the U.S., gathering one-third of all the wheat in a $7.7 billion market.

That's why farmers and the companies that hire the crews say Congress's failure last week to overhaul the immigration laws will heighten an already intense labor shortage by preventing them from importing more of the English-speaking workers, even as the need for them grows. That may lower crop yields, raise food prices and force some growers out of business, they say.

" You'll have labor that simply doesn't get done,'' U.S. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns said in a June 28 interview after the Senate rejected the legislation. "We have a system that doesn't work very well, so they're really struggling.''

The legislation was intended to create a path to citizenship for undocumented workers, tighten border controls and authorize a guest-worker program.

It would also have relaxed rules limiting how many foreign workers the harvesters can hire. Efforts to revise those regulations were caught up in the fight over illegal Hispanic migration, which largely focuses on border security.

Half the Workers

Great Plains wheat-cutting teams, once filled by Texas and Dakota farm kids, now rely on foreigners for as many as half the workers who cut grain sold to Archer Daniels Midland Co., Cargill Inc. and other companies, according to U.S. Custom Harvesters Inc., a trade group. That echoes trends across U.S. agriculture.

Grain-cutters say they need more of the skilled workers: Their understaffed crews are falling behind in the harvest, leaving crops vulnerable to disease and weather. The wheat harvest was 40 percent complete as of July 1, compared with 62 percent at the same time in 2006, the U.S. Department of Agriculture says. That's mostly because of poor weather.

" Farmers could get more wheat cut if we had more labor,'' said Murphy's boss, Lance Frederick, whose Alden, Kansas-based harvesting company dispatches the workers to farms. " You worry right up until harvest whether you'll have enough.''

Frederick, who serves 70 farms and seldom rejects customers, has declined 20 additional requests for workers this year.

From Texas to Dakota

The English-speaking, itinerant grain workers travel in crews, starting in Texas in May and finishing in North Dakota in November, harvesting corn and other crops as well as wheat.

While their numbers pale in comparison to the more than 3 million, mostly Hispanic undocumented immigrants in meatpacking, produce and food service, an individual harvester's economic impact is far greater because of the mechanization of the grain harvest. U.S. wheat was worth more than the labor-intensive output of grapes, tomatoes and apples combined in 2006, according to the USDA.

Most of the harvest workers come to the U.S. on H2A visas for temporary agricultural labor. H2As require employers to buy newspaper and radio advertisements to prove that efforts to hire domestic workers were unsuccessful.

That slows hiring and increases costs. Once a foreign worker arrives, the employer must pay the government-set prevailing wage and provide free housing.

Easier Visas

A provision of the immigration legislation known as AgJobs, which was intended to offer legal residence to as many as 1.5 million currently illegal farm workers, would have made visas more easily available to foreign workers.

AgJobs would also have eased ad requirements, reduced paperwork that delays visas, and permitted employers to give workers housing allowances rather than housing, saving costs.

South Africans are the largest contingent among the English-speaking immigrant harvesters, sending 1,054 workers to the U.S. on H2A visas last year, up from none 10 years ago, State Department figures show.

U.S. grain-cutters came to rely on international harvesters as the domestic worker supply fell, said Tim Baker, operations manager for U.S. Custom Harvesters, the Hutchinson, Kansas-based trade association. Age restrictions for commercial drivers' licenses eliminated most high schoolers. The harvest season's length deters college students.

Tight Markets

Tight job markets in Plains states, where unemployment runs below the rest of the U.S., also make domestic recruitment difficult, as does the seasonal, itinerant nature of harvest work, Baker said.

Work starts once the morning dew has dried and continues for 16 hours until night moisture makes the wheat too wet. A harvester must be able to work continually while making quick repairs to keep a $300,000 combine in motion.

For that, a worker bunks with crewmates in a mobile trailer for free while seeing the U.S. heartland on net pay of about $1,800 per month. The high-quality, low-cost labor "keeps costs down and keeps the producer profitable, which keeps the U.S. competitive in the world market,'' said Kenneth Hobbie, who heads the U.S. Grains Council, a Washington-based group that represents Archer Daniels, Cargill and other companies.

Lower Wages

The wage is less than what a U.S. worker with mechanical skills and a trucking license can make doing something else, said Greg Thurman, a Burlington, Oklahoma-based harvester who employs workers from New Zealand, Australia and Denmark.

"Any American who would be good at this can find something with better hours and holidays off,'' he said.

Leon Bulgin came from South Africa five years ago to work for Perry and Candice Hoffman from Bowdle, South Dakota.

" You come here, you have a more stable life,'' said Bulgin, 24, who wears a ballcap advertising his country's top rugby league while driving a combine across Kansas.

Thomas Murphy grew up farming potatoes 25 miles north of Dublin. He came to America two years ago on a student visa to learn about U.S. agriculture. When the harvest is done, he returns to Ireland and tends bar.

This year, his application for an H2A visa was denied. U.S. officials thought Murphy, who's 23 and single, might not have enough Irish ties to want to return.

Back and Forth

" I've been going back for years, and I'll keep going back,'' he said. " It took some time to convince them of that.''

Frederick was frantic when his foreman was rejected on the eve of the harvest. His combines were in Texas, and wheat doesn't wait.

" They don't seem to understand we're in a time-sensitive business,'' said Frederick, who turned to Republican Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas to help Murphy finally get his visa.

Representative Jerry Moran, another Kansas Republican, said cutters often call him wondering when their crews will get there. " It shows how broken down our immigration system is,'' said Moran.

In an illustration of how thorny the issue is, Moran chose not to co-sponsor AgJobs. Borders, he said, must be secure first before other immigration woes can be tackled. "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20070703/pl_bloomberg/ageqlzii_y_i_1


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farglebargle -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 7:56:22 AM)

Fuck ADM and Cargill?

There's AMERICANS who don't have jobs, who can learn to drive the Combine Tractor.





Real0ne -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 8:13:37 AM)

What a crock of shit!




Real0ne -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 8:15:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Fuck ADM and Cargill?

There's AMERICANS who don't have jobs, who can learn to drive the Combine Tractor.




No shit! i drove tractors when i was 4 fuckin years old!  Now days have power steeering and air and all the comforts of home...  so much for rueters propaganda feed.   err news feed




Vendaval -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 8:46:22 AM)

Fast reply -
 
You both have a valid point, FB and Real One.
 
The current labor shortage is a side effect of agriculture being a big business venture rather than the older model of small, independent farmers.  The giant agri-business corporations rely on other companies to supply them with laborers that have all of their documentation already proceessed and cleared.  I found this particular article interesting because the agricultural workers from English speaking countries are rarely mentioned in the immigration debate. (Please don't shoot the messenger!)
 
So how do we fix this situation?  How do we get out of work Americans doing these jobs?
 
Any ideas?




Alumbrado -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 8:58:18 AM)

quote:

So how do we fix this situation?  How do we get out of work Americans doing these jobs?
 
Any ideas?


These jobs aren't being done by migrant workers and immigrants because they prefer them.

A lot of factors combine to keep a work force at the bottom rung of the ladder, and those same factors mean that the government has long supported guestworker programs, no matter which party was in charge.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 9:26:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

So how do we fix this situation?  How do we get out of work Americans doing these jobs?



With better pay and benifits.




TheHeretic -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 9:28:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval



Lower Wages

The wage is less than what a U.S. worker with mechanical skills and a trucking license can make doing something else, said Greg Thurman, a Burlington, Oklahoma-based harvester who employs workers from New Zealand, Australia and Denmark.

"Any American who would be good at this can find something with better hours and holidays off,'' he said.



        Hmmm.  Perhaps a big fat raise would do the trick... 




Vendaval -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 9:40:38 AM)

But higher wages will raise prices along the line, ultimately hitting us in the pocket at the checkout stand.
Or should there be another farm subsidy by the Fed Gov to pay for the higher wages and training of American workers?
 




TheHeretic -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 10:03:36 AM)

      That's pretty much how it works, Ven.  It will drive up the price of a loaf of bread in exactly the same way the CA increase in the minimum wage drove the price of my standard Del Taco drive-thru order up a buck. 

     




farglebargle -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 10:31:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

But higher wages will raise prices along the line, ultimately hitting us in the pocket at the checkout stand.
Or should there be another farm subsidy by the Fed Gov to pay for the higher wages and training of American workers?




What is the cost to National Security of being dependent on other nations for essential materials and labor?





Alumbrado -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 10:34:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     That's pretty much how it works, Ven.  It will drive up the price of a loaf of bread in exactly the same way the CA increase in the minimum wage drove the price of my standard Del Taco drive-thru order up a buck. 

    


Actually, it went up 2 bucks but they kept it down by substituting GM animal feed for fresh corn meal.




popeye1250 -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/4/2007 10:47:14 AM)

What a crock of shit.
There's the problem, "$1,800 per month for 16 hour days."
Gee! And they're having PROBLEMS FINDING HELP?

I'm "having problems" trying to find a Cadillac dealer to sell me a brandnew Cadillac STS for $15,000 instead of the usual $45,000 too!
How about some legislation on that?

And I bet you that all the "Executives" in the grain business make a LOT more that "$1,800 per month".
And you won't see them working 16 hour days either.
And if these companies had their way with our immigration laws do you think the harvesters would make "more" than $1,800 per month or "less" than $1,800 per month?
In Capitalism if you can't find workers at a certain wage level you raise that wage level until you can find help.




Vendaval -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/5/2007 8:50:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

And I bet you that all the "Executives" in the grain business make a LOT more that "$1,800 per month".

Of course they do

And you won't see them working 16 hour days either.

No way!

And if these companies had their way with our immigration laws do you think the harvesters would make "more" than $1,800 per month or "less" than $1,800 per month?

Such a hard question to answer...


In Capitalism if you can't find workers at a certain wage level you raise that wage level until you can find help.

In theory, yes...






TheHeretic -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/5/2007 9:32:09 PM)

       One way to address this issue (and REALLY drive up prices) would be to eliminate the agricultural exemption to the overtime laws.  If these guys were making time-and-a-half over 8, and double-time after 12, as is the case for non-ag workers in CA, that might do the trick

      For nearly twice the take home, they would likely be over-run with guys in their early 20's who would embrace such a lifestyle and think big machines are very cool.




Vendaval -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/6/2007 12:04:05 AM)

That is a good thought about overtime pay, Rich.
Providing decent company housing would also be a great motivation to recruit agricultural workers.




Mercnbeth -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/6/2007 6:35:38 AM)

The problem pointed out by this article isn't that there were no workers available it was that there were no worker available at the slave wages the employers wanted to pay. The consequence of higher prices for higher cost is a function of an open capitalist society. A society, which to have any integrity at all, requires both the employers and employees operate under the law. The employees must pay the required minimum wage and hire workers verified as having the legal right to be in the country.

Increasing cost control sometimes produces dramatic and interesting results. A similar issue of cost was raised concerning slaves picking cotton and harvesting other crops in the south. Would anyone have accepted the argument that the institution of slavery be continued because the plantations would go bankrupt? In many cases, these illegal workers were and are being treated worse than the slaves of the south. They aren't given housing, food, or any amenity. The employees exploiting them deserve no more consideration than the aforementioned plantation owners.

Pay the appropriate market salary and you'll have all the legal workers necessary. If as a consequence prices go up so be it. But perhaps maybe, without these workers to exploit, a modern age Eli Whitney will develop an alternative. 




popeye1250 -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/6/2007 6:57:40 AM)

Merc, correct, some of those businesses (should) go out of business just like the Plantations of the old South.
And you're also correct about prices rising.
That's capitalism as well.
The govt. keeps telling us that they're "worried about "the consumer."
But when you ask them about "the consumer" maybe making "MORE MONEY" then it seems they don't want to talk anymore!
But, they'll tell you how good "cheap labor" is for the economy when trying to defend their (not our) immigration policies.
As they say , "There's nothing more expensive than "cheap labor."
This just goes to demonstrate that the the govt. under Bush is listening to big business and not The People.
Paying your employees well is just good business and good for the economy. People who make $30 an hour buy houses, cars, furniture, appliances etc.
People who make $8 an hour don't buy much of anything beyond subsistance level.




Sinergy -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/6/2007 11:16:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

But higher wages will raise prices along the line, ultimately hitting us in the pocket at the checkout stand.
Or should there be another farm subsidy by the Fed Gov to pay for the higher wages and training of American workers?
 



Well, the crux of the matter is are we as a nation prepared to take care of our own people first, even if it means paying a little bit more out of our own individual pocket?  Realize that you and I pay for that American citizen's food stamps and uninsured medical out of our taxes.

The only people that a guest worker helps are large multinational corporations who have no loyalty to our citizens, and will raise prices even while the Congressmen they lobby to give them more money in farm subsidies.  I agree with you, Vendeval, I want my tax dollars to be used to train American citizens to drive combines, manage internet routers, run cash registers, etc.

On a related note, I was told by Vons that they were putting in self-checkout aisles to lower prices.  When I see prices actually come down, I might consider using it.  All I see self-checkout aisles being is a way to eliminate the bread and butter from somebodies family dinner table.

Those on the right seem to jump up and down screaming about higher prices, regardless of the fact that for a lot of them who worked in the computer industry, their jobs got offshored in the 1990s by these same multinational corporations.  Boggles the imagination that despite the fact that they can no longer afford their SUV and Golden Retrievers, they think administrations who offshore jobs are a great thing.

That is why I consider myself a progressive, I want all of us in the United States to be taken care of, whereas the rest of the world can go off and take care of itself.  Or not.

Sinergy




popeye1250 -> RE: "U.S. Wheat Farmers Face Grim Harvests as Immigration Bill Dies" (7/6/2007 1:23:55 PM)

Sinergy, I agree.
(Does that mean I'm a progressive too?)




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