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TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 5:45:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I am on the US side because I personally think we have better things to do with our money and our citizens than standing around in Iraq as a bunch of targets. I consider those people who support our presence in Iraq as being opposed to the US because their hubris and ignorance is going to end up bankrupting our country and further destroying our credibility worldwide. Clear as mud? Sinergy Quite clear. Thank you, Sinergy. I happen to think your assessment is wrong and completely delusional, but it does explain why you are so eager to live in denial about the realities of what we would be leaving the Iraqi people to and what our premature departure would do to the world opinion you are so concerned about. I have continued to watch the story. This is not the only place where the culpability of Al Qaeda has been questioned. Yon remains the only reporter I can find who is covering it. Perhaps when the suits get back to their offices on Monday, more will be dispatched to uncover the truth of the atrocities. For now, Yon has framed it this way; What is al Qaeda but the collection of people who claim to be al Qaeda? Those responsible for murdering and burying those bodies in al Ahamir (or al Hamira) had the markers of al Qaeda, the same al Qaeda that had boastfully installed itself as the shadow government of Baqubah..... As for al Ahamir, the massacre “walks like a duck.” It happened in duck headquarters. The people here say the duck did it.

mnottertail -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 5:59:42 PM)
Rich, consider--- If Saddam was such a 'strong man Manuel Noreiga' how is it that they can uprise against the might of the United States and Britain, leaving daily body bags in the street, and have Mucta Al Sadars running their mouths and calling jihad, and we feel that they are helpless in controlling their destiny without our Godly nation sheparding them into sublime light? They will handle our walkout as they have for centuries, in fact, they could have done well without our interferance at all---and given the current political situation, they can't look at us with more than a jaundiced eye, because we are going to be forced to allow regional war as well as civil war and cut that country into 3 or 4 or 5 places, making it a weak sister---OH, how the mighty have fallen!!!! Anything you put in place will be torn down in nanoseconds of our leaving, and the pendulum will be swung violently in the opposite direction of what we set it--- So, you go babysit the towelheads----I mean, they are hopeless shitbreathing wanna be niggers without us, right? Lay off. The citizenry and people of Iraq are just as fine as frogshair, and can repair themselves without our majesty. Ron

Sinergy -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 6:04:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Quite clear. Thank you, Sinergy. I happen to think your assessment is wrong Fair enough. I happen to think your assessment leaves out the consequences of our military being in Iraq. Money doesnt grow on trees, and our economy is taking a nose dive as our inflation keeps climbing. I also tend to believe you are unwilling or unable to view our involvement in Iraq in a global (or national) context in terms of a Cost/Benefit analysis model. In other words, how much does it cost us to stay there, and what do we get for our money. Most importantly, how long can we afford to stay there before our economy hits rock bottom? quote: and completely delusional, I dont recall you ever examining me on a professional basis, so I would point out that you lack the education, objectivity, or experience to render a qualified psychiatric analysis of me. If it was simply a feeble attempt to insult me, I dont think it worked out all that well for you. quote: but it does explain why you are so eager to live in denial about the realities of what we would be leaving the Iraqi people to and what our premature departure would do to the world opinion you are so concerned about. If you go back a few years, you will find posts from me here objecting to our going there in the first place. In other words, I am not the one in denial. I knew before we went in that it would be a permanent clusterfck for everybody involved, and we would ultimately be forced to leave them to their bloody civil war. As far as I am concerned, you pro-Iraqi occupation types are the ones in denial. I suspect one of the problems you (and some of the other pro-Iraq war people) have with me is that the points I made about it being a bad idea turned out to be correct. The problem with your "Pottery Barn Rules" theory is that it really seems to lack much of an understanding of the cause and effect relationship keeping our military in country has. You might want to research the effect the Soviet Union's invasion and occupation of Afghanistan had on their economy. Unless your ultimate goal is for the US to declare bankruptcy and become a lawless and mob controlled nightmare as well. Doesnt seem too patriotic to me. I prefer the country we have to the country that blindly following the Clueless In Chief will end up giving us. quote:* What is al Qaeda but the collection of people who claim to be al Qaeda? Those responsible for murdering and burying those bodies in al Ahamir (or al Hamira) had the markers of al Qaeda, the same al Qaeda that had boastfully installed itself as the shadow government of Baqubah..... As for al Ahamir, the massacre “walks like a duck.” It happened in duck headquarters. The people here say the duck did it. What exactly is an "Al Qaeda" marker? So if a person claims to be Al Qaeda they must, ipso facto, be Al Qaeda? I still stand behind my points that in a country which will have money poured into it to fight the Al Qaeda boogie man, somebody claiming to find evidence that says "Al Qaeda" is not overly credible to me. I would point out that the people investigating this are not criminal investigators, not using modern criminal forensics methods, have a vested interest in proving the existence of Al Qaeda, etc., and as far as I am concerned the whole story has "Reasonable Doubt" written all over it with dayglo paints. Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 6:40:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado The part about it being a decisive defeat for American troops militarily... Well, I don't think it was our best day in the killing fields. Ron: Actually Ron it was one of our better days in the killing fields once we realized it was not just another annual tet offensive. General Giap stepped away from his game plan and took a pretty hard shot. Up until the 68 tet offensive he was following a pretty good game plan. One taken from "The Manual for Small Wars" USMC. In 68 he made a military offensive with armour and large (division and corps level) bodies of men and equipment. When we found that the short people came to play our game we pretty much cleaned their clock. Because the reporters up till that time had never seen anything of that magnitude before they made some wrong guesses about how things were going. In the end General Giap lost a significant number of troops and a huge amount of hardware. It was not the so called "Viet Cong" who came out to play but the NVA (North Viet Namese Army) Militarily it was a huge defeat for the NVA. That being said it was a huge loss for the U.S. and the puppet regime in Saigon because it showed that only by the force of the U.S. military could Saigon maintain any semblance of power. For fourteen years we had been trying to "train" the ARVN to be an effective fighting force. Tet "68" just showed us we had been unsuccessful As for the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Viet Nam) they had neither the will nor the ability to fight their way out of a wet paper sack...(yes there were notable exceptions..37th ranger Bn comes to mind but they were few and far between) The goal in Viet Nam was never to conquer and occupy but rather to install a puppet regime that would be self sustaining so we could strip the country of its wealth. Well now the the soldiers are gone and micky D and KFC are in...why we did not lead with them in the first place I will never understand. Ho Chi Minh begged us to be buddies but smarter men than me and thee were in charge and besides we had all those empty body bags. thompson

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 6:45:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Quite clear. Thank you, Sinergy. I happen to think your assessment is wrong Fair enough. I happen to think your assessment leaves out the consequences of our military being in Iraq. Money doesnt grow on trees, and our economy is taking a nose dive as our inflation keeps climbing. Our economy is diving? Funny. I keep seeing those reports and predictions, but my pension fund is doing quite well in the market and the 4.5% unemployment numbers I saw today suggest otherwise. You can take an apocolyptic view if you like, but the housing bubble seems to have much thicker walls than the Dot Com bubble that drove the last spike. You'll forgive me if I utterly ignore any assertions that any kind of "down" in a system that regularly cycles means the end of the world. I also tend to believe you are unwilling or unable to view our involvement in Iraq in a global (or national) context in terms of a Cost/Benefit analysis model. Depends on how long a view one takes in the cost/benefit. What will it cost to go back? In other words, how much does it cost us to stay there, and what do we get for our money. Most importantly, how long can we afford to stay there before our economy hits rock bottom? quote: and completely delusional, I dont recall you ever examining me on a professional basis, so I would point out that you lack the education, objectivity, or experience to render a qualified psychiatric analysis of me. If it was simply a feeble attempt to insult me, I dont think it worked out all that well for you. Yet you feel competent to diagnose "monkey-boy" without ever having taken a DNA sample or offering us your credentials as a genetic researcher. I assert you believe things which are not true. (And we'll just have to disagree on that last part) quote: but it does explain why you are so eager to live in denial about the realities of what we would be leaving the Iraqi people to and what our premature departure would do to the world opinion you are so concerned about. If you go back a few years, you will find posts from me here objecting to our going there in the first place. I was not on this board in the spring of '03. I would have agreed with you that this invasion was not the best path. Shit happens though, and I think you are familiar with my thoughts on events leading up to our entry into the country. In other words, I am not the one in denial. I knew before we went in that it would be a permanent clusterfck for everybody involved, and we would ultimately be forced to leave them to their bloody civil war. As far as I am concerned, you pro-Iraqi occupation types are the ones in denial. I suspect one of the problems you (and some of the other pro-Iraq war people) have with me is that the points I made about it being a bad idea turned out to be correct. I don't suggest you are in denial about this being an immense Mongolian Cluster-Fuck. If I did, I'd have to call myself delusional as well. I think you are in something that could be called denial when it comes to the realities of what sort of enemy we are dealing with. The problem with your "Pottery Barn Rules" theory is that it really seems to lack much of an understanding of the cause and effect relationship keeping our military in country has. You might want to research the effect the Soviet Union's invasion and occupation of Afghanistan had on their economy. Unless your ultimate goal is for the US to declare bankruptcy and become a lawless and mob controlled nightmare as well. No. That is what the other side would like to do to us.* Doesnt seem too patriotic to me. I prefer the country we have to the country that blindly following the Clueless In Chief will end up giving us. And using that kind of terminology about the elected leader of our country never struck me as all that patriotic either, but we've had that conversation. quote: What is al Qaeda but the collection of people who claim to be al Qaeda? Those responsible for murdering and burying those bodies in al Ahamir (or al Hamira) had the markers of al Qaeda, the same al Qaeda that had boastfully installed itself as the shadow government of Baqubah..... As for al Ahamir, the massacre “walks like a duck.” It happened in duck headquarters. The people here say the duck did it. What exactly is an "Al Qaeda" marker? So if a person claims to be Al Qaeda they must, ipso facto, be Al Qaeda? If some guy in a blue do-rag is holding a knife to the throat of someone you love, does it matter if he has ever been formally "jumped-in" to the Crips? I'm all in favor of more investigation of this incident you know. I still stand behind my points that in a country which will have money poured into it to fight the Al Qaeda boogie man, somebody claiming to find evidence that says "Al Qaeda" is not overly credible to me. I would point out that the people investigating this are not criminal investigators, not using modern criminal forensics methods, have a vested interest in proving the existence of Al Qaeda, etc., and as far as I am concerned the whole story has "Reasonable Doubt" written all over it with dayglo paints. Great. So you'll be e-mailing the international editor of the LA Times to get a damn experienced, credible team out to investigate? Or do you still want to ignore what was dug up in some village that barely has a name when Arrowhead Ripper arrived to clear Al Qaeda from the region? Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 6:52:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I am on the US side because I personally think we have better things to do with our money and our citizens than standing around in Iraq as a bunch of targets. I consider those people who support our presence in Iraq as being opposed to the US because their hubris and ignorance is going to end up bankrupting our country and further destroying our credibility worldwide. Clear as mud? Sinergy Quite clear. Thank you, Sinergy. I happen to think your assessment is wrong and completely delusional, but it does explain why you are so eager to live in denial about the realities of what we would be leaving the Iraqi people to and what our premature departure would do to the world opinion you are so concerned about. I have continued to watch the story. This is not the only place where the culpability of Al Qaeda has been questioned. Yon remains the only reporter I can find who is covering it. Perhaps when the suits get back to their offices on Monday, more will be dispatched to uncover the truth of the atrocities. For now, Yon has framed it this way; What is al Qaeda but the collection of people who claim to be al Qaeda? Those responsible for murdering and burying those bodies in al Ahamir (or al Hamira) had the markers of al Qaeda, the same al Qaeda that had boastfully installed itself as the shadow government of Baqubah..... As for al Ahamir, the massacre “walks like a duck.” It happened in duck headquarters. The people here say the duck did it. Rich: I have read this whole thread and I can find nothing that would benefit Al Qaeda by doing this sort of thing. Well other than to give war mongers like yourself a reason to wave the bloody shirt. This is all about ripping off their country for the oil. To deny that is beyond belief. If you would read something more advanced than a fifth grade history book or Rush "the drug addict" Limbaugh you might recognize corporate imperialism for what it is. thompson

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 6:54:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Actually Ron it was one of our better days in the killing fields once we realized it was not just another annual tet offensive. General Giap stepped away from his game plan and took a pretty hard shot. Up until the 68 tet offensive he was following a pretty good game plan. One taken from "The Manual for Small Wars" USMC. In 68 he made a military offensive with armour and large (division and corps level) bodies of men and equipment. When we found that the short people came to play our game we pretty much cleaned their clock. Because the reporters up till that time had never seen anything of that magnitude before they made some wrong guesses about how things were going. In the end General Giap lost a significant number of troops and a huge amount of hardware. It was not the so called "Viet Cong" who came out to play but the NVA (North Viet Namese Army) Militarily it was a huge defeat for the NVA. That being said it was a huge loss for the U.S. and the puppet regime in Saigon because it showed that only by the force of the U.S. military could Saigon maintain any semblance of power. For fourteen years we had been trying to "train" the ARVN to be an effective fighting force. Tet "68" just showed us we had been unsuccessful As for the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Viet Nam) they had neither the will nor the ability to fight their way out of a wet paper sack...(yes there were notable exceptions..37th ranger Bn comes to mind but they were few and far between) The goal in Viet Nam was never to conquer and occupy but rather to install a puppet regime that would be self sustaining so we could strip the country of its wealth. Well now the the soldiers are gone and micky D and KFC are in...why we did not lead with them in the first place I will never understand. Ho Chi Minh begged us to be buddies but smarter men than me and thee were in charge and besides we had all those empty body bags. thompson This is the best synopsis of those events I have ever read. Thank you for offering it. (Damn. Now I'm going to have to watch Full Metal Jacket again this weekend.)

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 7:03:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Rich: I have read this whole thread and I can find nothing that would benefit Al Qaeda by doing this sort of thing. Well, it IS a very good day to hide from the heat [:D] It's pretty wild shit, ain't it? The rule of horror is about the only way I can get a grip on it. I guess it always helps when you are fighting for God.

mnottertail -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 7:12:41 PM)
I guess thats the whole throw of the rug tho, Tom...brains of buddies spraying are not political, and you can 'train' , here that is a good one, the doormats, but you know as well as I the ARVN went on vacation or slipped on pjs of their own kind when shit came to shoveling, and we were all about making them understand the enlightened governments, even before that---just gonna help a couple generals get ahold of their country----get the minds working along the lines of democracy... Giap was around since christ was a corporal, he was hanging with Chan Kai Check and Mao for fucks sake, then we decided that since the french couldnt handle the gooks that we had to show them how to do it, it languished thru the Eisenhower years (read the Ugly American) and Kennedy years and then we got fucked by Gap and Ky and Lyndon bought into the domino bullshit, same as these folks are now ---------Oh, the sky is falling the sky is falling--the sand niggers wanna rape your white girls---- Well, it is a mans duty to go in arms for his government and I do not in any way disabuse the man under arms, they are patriots, but by god it has to be worth the brain splatter or stay the fuck out. Ron

thompsonx -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 7:20:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Actually Ron it was one of our better days in the killing fields once we realized it was not just another annual tet offensive. General Giap stepped away from his game plan and took a pretty hard shot. Up until the 68 tet offensive he was following a pretty good game plan. One taken from "The Manual for Small Wars" USMC. In 68 he made a military offensive with armour and large (division and corps level) bodies of men and equipment. When we found that the short people came to play our game we pretty much cleaned their clock. Because the reporters up till that time had never seen anything of that magnitude before they made some wrong guesses about how things were going. In the end General Giap lost a significant number of troops and a huge amount of hardware. It was not the so called "Viet Cong" who came out to play but the NVA (North Viet Namese Army) Militarily it was a huge defeat for the NVA. That being said it was a huge loss for the U.S. and the puppet regime in Saigon because it showed that only by the force of the U.S. military could Saigon maintain any semblance of power. For fourteen years we had been trying to "train" the ARVN to be an effective fighting force. Tet "68" just showed us we had been unsuccessful As for the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Viet Nam) they had neither the will nor the ability to fight their way out of a wet paper sack...(yes there were notable exceptions..37th ranger Bn comes to mind but they were few and far between) The goal in Viet Nam was never to conquer and occupy but rather to install a puppet regime that would be self sustaining so we could strip the country of its wealth. Well now the the soldiers are gone and micky D and KFC are in...why we did not lead with them in the first place I will never understand. Ho Chi Minh begged us to be buddies but smarter men than me and thee were in charge and besides we had all those empty body bags. thompson This is the best synopsis of those events I have ever read. Thank you for offering it. (Damn. Now I'm going to have to watch Full Metal Jacket again this weekend.) Rich: FMJ is just a movie and ol Lee Emery was a MWSG poag. I have had the opportunity to chat with him a few times and explain how full of crap he is. He is somewhat less articulate than you and not nearly as bright. thompson

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 7:37:04 PM)
Yeah, but I like Kubrick. And the Mickey Mouse Club theme always forces me to stay honest on topics like this thread. I still think losing would be worse.

Sinergy -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 7:45:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Depends on how long a view one takes in the cost/benefit. What will it cost to go back? Im speechless. Now you want to go back? To me, psychotic behavior is doing the same thing over and over again, all the while hoping for a different outcome. quote: I don't suggest you are in denial about this being an immense Mongolian Cluster-Fuck. If I did, I'd have to call myself delusional as well. I think you are in something that could be called denial when it comes to the realities of what sort of enemy we are dealing with. What kind of enemy are we dealing with? (I had to ask) Or are you as clueless as the administration is about what kind of enemy we are dealing with. By the way, I am not sure a DNA test proves the presence or absence of clues, or calling somebody clueless or lacking a brain stem is a psychiatric diagnosis. His (public records) IQ tests, military entrance exams, etc., all peg him as having about the same IQ as a dog, possibly a pig, but I am willing to concede the point to you that he is possessing of vast erudition and intelligence. What he does is what I object to. quote: No. That is what the other side would like to do to us. Doing a pretty good job of it, if you ask me. You do know that unemployment statistics are determined by the change in number of people on unemployment. 4.5% lower unemployment may just mean that 4.5% of the people on unemployment were no longer eligible for benefits. My pensions are doing quite well also, although the price for a particular object I want to buy at the store is higher now than it was. This reflects the change in the value of money, since the actual value of an object does not change. quote: If some guy in a blue do-rag is holding a knife to the throat of someone you love, does it matter if he has ever been formally "jumped-in" to the Crips? I'm all in favor of more investigation of this incident you know. Please answer my question about proving Al Qaeda had something to do with a bunch of dead people. We can discuss gang affiliations on another thread. quote: Great. So you'll be e-mailing the international editor of the LA Times to get a damn experienced, credible team out to investigate? Or do you still want to ignore what was dug up in some village that barely has a name when Arrowhead Ripper arrived to clear Al Qaeda from the region? Sure, they dug up some dead people. I am not disputing that. I am asking for some sort of empirical proof that "Al Qaeda" had anything to do with it. I am asking what an Al Qaeda marker (you brought it up) is. I am asking if they bothered to do any sort of forensic investigation into it, or are we just supposed to believe Habib or Abdullah when they tell us it was Al Qaeda. Unable to actually provide any answer to my questions apart from inarticulate talking points, your choice is to attack me. How is that working out for you? Sinergy

farglebargle -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 8:27:41 PM)
quote: Quite clear. Thank you, Sinergy. I happen to think your assessment is wrong and completely delusional, but it does explain why you are so eager to live in denial about the realities of what we would be leaving the Iraqi people to and what our premature departure would do to the world opinion you are so concerned about. AH! De White Mans Burden!

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 10:23:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I am asking for some sort of empirical proof that "Al Qaeda" had anything to do with it. I really am starting to worry about you now, Sinergy. I've never argued there was any, only that such was the simplest solution. One of the themes going here is that there ought to be some gathered. The reporter never declares it as fact, only informs us that such a claim is made and points out that such a conclusion seems very logical (Itallics indicate the quote). Families came out of those holes and it was hard to tell just how many souls the pieces would add up too. The stories that are coming out of the area sound too obscene to carry any truth. Something sure as hell happened in there. It's an interesting way to change the subject, Sinergy. Demand I provide the empirical evidence I'm suggesting needs to be sought out...

farglebargle -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/6/2007 11:02:06 PM)
I hear the US is retracting this weeks news that they killed Al Qaeda's Kamal Jalil Uthman, also known as Said Hamza, Because they actually killed him a year ago. I guess there's so much "Good News" they can't keep track of which "Good News" they've already announced!

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/7/2007 7:59:23 AM)
But when you see it on Al-Jazeera, you know it's true??? Confusion, mistakes and outright lies are part of war (Jimmy Carter saying we had no plans for military action, while the failed assault team was in the air for example). What you reference could perfectly well be some kind of strategic or tactical disinformation, as well as standard issue dumbfuckery.

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/7/2007 9:09:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Rich, consider--- If Saddam was such a 'strong man Manuel Noreiga' how is it that they can uprise against the might of the United States and Britain, leaving daily body bags in the street, and have Mucta Al Sadars running their mouths and calling jihad, and we feel that they are helpless in controlling their destiny without our Godly nation sheparding them into sublime light? They will handle our walkout as they have for centuries, in fact, they could have done well without our interferance at all---and given the current political situation, they can't look at us with more than a jaundiced eye, because we are going to be forced to allow regional war as well as civil war and cut that country into 3 or 4 or 5 places, making it a weak sister---OH, how the mighty have fallen!!!! Anything you put in place will be torn down in nanoseconds of our leaving, and the pendulum will be swung violently in the opposite direction of what we set it--- So, you go babysit the towelheads----I mean, they are hopeless shitbreathing wanna be niggers without us, right? Lay off. The citizenry and people of Iraq are just as fine as frogshair, and can repair themselves without our majesty. Ron Y'know, Ron, if I thought that would be the end of it, I'd be very tempted to agree with you. Fuck the ingrates. Let Bagdad turn into Mogadishu. We have the biggest goddamn moat on the planet around our castle. Except it isn't big enough, and when the crazies get some breathing room and a chance to regroup, they'll be right along to pay us a visit, and they'll be bringing the biggest fucking gift-basket of KU the world has ever seen. But hey, the pendulum has to swing, maybe that is just the course it's going to take no matter what. At least all those illegal immigrants will get a chance to earn their citizenship.

Level -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/7/2007 9:17:57 AM)
Thomas Friedman advocates concentrating on the Kurds, and letting the rest of the Iraqis either shape up, or sink. http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/06/thomas-l-friedman-dog-paddling-in.html

Sinergy -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/7/2007 9:26:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I am asking for some sort of empirical proof that "Al Qaeda" had anything to do with it. I've never argued there was any, only that such was the simplest solution. Since you brought it up... Bunch of dead people. No forensic evidence done. No captured members of Al Qaeda No explanation of what an "Al Qaeda marker" is. Habib and Abdullah claim it was Al Qaeda to an embedded reporter looking for proof that it was Al Qaeda. You (and a lot of other people) take it as fact. Please clarify why is it the simplest solution? Sinergy p.s. Are you familiar with the concept of "confirmation bias?" Seems to me there are a lot of people involved who want it to be Al Qaeda. p.p.s. I am not really saying it was not Al Qaeda (I am a bit dubious, however) but it fascinates me with all the people running around insisting it was them without any sort of empirical evidence to suggest it.

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered (7/7/2007 1:20:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy p.p.s. I am not really saying it was not Al Qaeda (I am a bit dubious, however) but it fascinates me with all the people running around insisting it was them without any sort of empirical evidence to suggest it. Whew. I was starting to wonder if my Alzheimers joke was going to wind up being one of those awkward moments when the smart-ass comment hits the nail on the head... What is "an Al Qaeda marker?" I don't know. It could be the beheaded bodies. That was the term the only reporter on the story used. Maybe you could find some clues with a detailed reading of Yon's site, but, as I explained to a fifth grade bully, just because you could probably beat me up, doesn't mean I'm going to do your homework. Google it. The AQI explanation seems obvious to me. That doesn't make it true. Those are the people Arrowhead Ripper was launched against. As US and Iraqi forces take control, they find evidence that very bad things had been going on while AQI was there. The people (who could have ulterior motives, I suppose) are saying AQI was responsible. It isn't much of a leap. I'm not invested in the theory though. If a better theory of the crime and perpetrator comes along, I'll take it (Hell, show me a very damn persuasive smoking gun that Dick Cheney did it, I'll howl for his head on a platter). The insistance you could find on other forums, that it MUST have been them? I guess that comes from the same emotional place you'll find in true-believers of any stripe. Look at how many people still think Saddam was involved with 9/11.... Flavor-aid of the day. It's really no different than people who insist the beheading videos are faked. Unless you have some empirical evidence that Yon is smoking crack over there...? Tell you what, I'll e-mail a couple of the news agencies that buy from him about getting him drug tested, you e-mail a couple international page editors to go find out what happened.

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