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RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered - 7/30/2007 7:04:35 AM

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No point in arguing against your convictions about the embed system.

I said the same thing to you 4 pages ago, then I checked out of this thread.

Perhaps the difference would be that DG seems to actually argue what he believes, rather than taking whatever position seems convenient on that particular thread?

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RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered - 7/30/2007 7:19:46 AM

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Perhaps the difference would be that DG seems to actually argue what he believes, rather than taking whatever position seems convenient on that particular thread?

Perhaps you just enjoy defending indefensible positions without ever actually arguing what you believe.

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RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered - 7/31/2007 4:08:42 PM

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You all are overlooking a bigger conundrum. Since this must be all about oil, why hasn't America--or even Haliburton (An entity I consider separate and even inimical to America)--taken over the oilfields, set up an "impenetrable" wall around it, and let the rest of the area burn, until they run out of money for new machineguns and bullets, and have to resort to throwing sand, rocks, and camel-dung at each other again?
Failing that, why hasn't America sent 100 planes with 100 bombs in them and leveled the whole region, paying particular attention to the spires that denote the presence of their death-cult? That would probably end the current conflict, with less loss of life on the American side.
Otherwise, intelligent people worldwide will figure out that America is fighting to fight, rather than fighting to win, but their more numerous idiot cousins will assume America isn't STRONG enough to win, so we'll look like losers to the rest of the world...Hypothetically, of course! This is not to imply that even pathetic "nations" like Mexico believe they can make demands on America and have Americans jump at their whim, asking "how high" on the way up...Right?
Sun Tzu wrote "Seek Instant Victory, not Endless Battle"...America, as noted above, has the technology for instant victory, so why are we even "fighting"?
Perhaps it's a more Upton Sinclair moment, "It’s impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it." So is someone making big bucks off this war, even WITHOUT oil involved? Think about it!

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RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered - 7/31/2007 4:12:48 PM

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Why bother? They're making record profits... ExxonMobil is making record profits...

In a lot of ways, the biggest act of treason is the Bush Administration's failure to replace our oil/gas/coal generating plants with groundstations for the Solar Power Satellites.

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RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered - 7/31/2007 4:21:07 PM

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Well, paranoia about China's Satellite-Killer ICBMs might have chilled those plans for now...? Coupled with nuclear secrets they've been stealing from unlocked safes, they could be a real threat from on high...
As to why bother, if they don't secure all possible sources of oil, then someone else can start mining and selling that oil too...
As to the record profits, why haven't they been taken to task on price-fixing and/or price-gouging statutes? (Federal antitrust laws are a joke, and Microsoft proved that in a big way, waiting for America to be distracted by "That Iraq Thing" so they could get a "more favorable settlement"...Sort of like asking for a raise when your parent is on the phone or otherwise distracted...)
That said, with all the illegals "helping" America, providing "cheap" (To the factory-owners, since the cost is instead distributed to taxpayers) labor, why have costs for everything from "consumer goods" to movies to gasoline to food&water gone UP, rather than down?
Could it be, perhaps, that a fast-growing population creates more demand, and indeed in California, can literally dry up the supply (Of CLEAN water and open hospitals)?
If we cannot enforce OUR borders, how do we propose to help Iraq with troublemaking elements sneaking in through THEIR porous borders?
HOWEVER, this fast-breeding invasion force could indeed be useful if rounded up and deported to Iraq...I simply have my doubts as to which side they would fight for! (Like the idiots chanting Osama at the last soccer game?) Still, the very things that make Mexicans bad neighbors and worse "undocumented international houseguests" (Complete lack of respect for borders, streets, buildings, and desire to corrupt and destroy existing infrastructure) might help in Iraq--or at least they'd make a mess of some OTHER nation, right?

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RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered - 7/31/2007 4:25:19 PM

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If we cannot enforce OUR borders, how do we propose to help Iraq with troublemaking elements sneaking in through THEIR porous borders?

Hmmmm... how, how indeed.

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RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered - 7/31/2007 4:38:18 PM

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Well, paranoia about China's Satellite-Killer ICBMs might have chilled those plans for now...? Coupled with nuclear secrets they've been stealing from unlocked safes, they could be a real threat from on high...
As to why bother, if they don't secure all possible sources of oil, then someone else can start mining and selling that oil too...

It is in the US National Interest to eliminate the market for fuel oil and gasoline right now.

Using Solar Power Satellites, and ground-station receivers, it requires technology extant since about 1980, and LESS MONEY THAN WE'VE SPENT IN IRAQ TO-DATE.

It is TREASON to neglect our nation's energy independence in such a negligent way.

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RE: Iraqi Village Slaughtered - 7/31/2007 5:00:54 PM

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It is in the US National Interest to eliminate the market for fuel oil and gasoline right now.
Using Solar Power Satellites, and ground-station receivers, it requires technology extant since about 1980, and LESS MONEY THAN WE'VE SPENT IN IRAQ TO-DATE.
It is TREASON to neglect our nation's energy independence in such a negligent way.

That is undeniable, farglebargle, but remember, BUSH IS AN OIL-MAN! Under him, EPA has been completely defanged, and possibly neutered to boot, companies are given the upper--and free--hand...And are using it to spank the rank-and-file customers!
Also, Haliburton wouldn't be given the profitable, if quixotic, task of rebuilding...I STILL hold that it is dangerously stupid to rebuild an enemy country, particularly while you are still fighting them...Unless you just like giving the enemy more places to hide.
Haliburton may be in charge of American troops' ammo, too, as friends who have come back from Iraq "tours" (of duty!) claim that they were each given only 3 bullets...What kind of bad video-game-ish mismanagement gives each soldier only THREE bullets?
(I mention video-games here, not out of hatred of them, but because it resembles the video-game convention to drop the Player-Hero in with underpowered weapons and not much ammo for them, and force him to kill and scavenge for more and better ones...Results in many unnecessary hand-to-hand fights--and therefore deaths--in both virtual and real worlds!) Videogame gunslingers have it easier, though, in that no game YET includes media hounding them at every turn, exposing their plans to the enemy, and denigrating them for doing their job (Namely, killing the enemy!)
Now THAT would be too much realism--forget graphics and physics systems!

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