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calloused knees - 7/6/2007 9:33:31 AM

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I spend several hours a day kneeling, usually on the hard, rough carpet of my apartment. As a result my knees are often raw and irritated, sometimes calloused, and always dry. My Master is concerned about this and asked me to research treatment and prevention options. My research suggests that cushioning my knees when i kneel and applying lotions and moisturizers are about all i can do.

I am sure plenty of other subs/slaves have had this problem. How have you dealt with it? Do you and your Dom just accept that calloused knees are a fact of life in this lifestyle or have you found ways to prevent them? I am curious to here your responses.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 9:38:52 AM

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I'm a fabulously generous mistress and almost always ensure they have a pillow or are allowed to sit in a relaxed position on the floor.

But otherwise as you have found, knee pads are perfectly accepted, along with a specific "kneeling pillow" and exfoliate the skin regularly, keep it moisturized and deal with what you can.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 9:48:16 AM

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In the old days of the latin mass, this was a common condition for children in catholic schools, with all the kneeling required in being required to attend church 6 days per week. we got lots of calloses.
If your master is serious about healing your knees I would suggest several options:
1. foam rubber knee pads of several sorts can be had at many hardware and garden stores, they strap on the knee.
2. rectangular foam rubber pads sold as hunting seats are available in many sports shows and sporting goods stores and catalogs, one moves the pad to kneel on it..
3. cotton or foam can be sewn into flat cushions, covered with soft fabric. These could be moved to kneel on or if thin enough could have elastic sewn on to strap to the knee.
4. Some life vests and life buoy cushions for boating are soft and supportive and can be moved to kneel on.
5. Vet wrap is a colorful substance much like an ace bandage. The knees could be wrapped with this as protection, with or without additional padding included.
6. Soft throw rugs placed around the carpet can help, and if not in the correct place they can be moved.

I am sure there are dozens of other good idea. Good luck!

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 10:34:27 AM

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i don't kneel for Daddy however i do keep my rough knees smooth with body butter or cocoa butter every morning and night - you can find it at any health/beauty section in any store.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 10:39:20 AM

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i think the pads you kneel on for gardening would work also and use cream meant for feet on your knees its a lot better then ordinary lotion

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 10:48:40 AM

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i think the pads you kneel on for gardening would work also and use cream meant for feet on your knees its a lot better then ordinary lotion

An exercise mat works very well

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 11:11:25 AM

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To help get RID of the ones you already have, after taking a bath, smooth on thick lotion or body butter [on still damp skin] and wrap your knees with cotton or fabric to help it soak in, then in the morning scrub off the dead stuff, the moisture will help to make them soft and repair some of the damage, it takes a while but it works.

As for preventing them, a nice pillow, or taking breaks from kneeling wheneer possible, it can do damange bein on your knees all the time.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 11:24:35 AM

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I have calloused knees. Feet as well. I've seen a dermatologist about it. For the feet I was told not to wear shoes as much as possible. For somebody like me...I must have a shoe on my foot at all times. Inside, the bare minimum a sock. I'm not a flip flop type of person because I know the dangers to my feet.
So, as of today I still have severely calloused feet. Same with my knees.

However the treatment from the expert was. Rub a generous amount of lubriderm in 3 times a day. Lubriderm is supposed to be the absolute best lotion on the market unless you have a prescription. I've had one...I'm learning to trust the Lubriderm. I've thrown out everything that makes the claim to reduce cracks..etc. It doesn't work I've tried it all.

As for your knee's same deal. Three times a day. Right before bed, as you get up and sometime in between.
Loofa's and such are not recommended because as they do take off the top layer of dead skin. They also take away the natural oils your skin has...and makes it even drier down the line.

I'm at a year and still battling with my dry skin although it is much better than it was when I started out.
Kneel on a mat or something and lube it up as much as possible.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 11:45:56 AM

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Thank you all for your replies. My Master says He likes the idea of a throw rug, and i will experiment with different lotions, and use them more often. Wrapping my knees after a bath sounds like a good idea too.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 12:39:14 PM

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quote:

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I have calloused knees. Feet as well. I've seen a dermatologist about it. For the feet I was told not to wear shoes as much as possible. For somebody like me...I must have a shoe on my foot at all times. Inside, the bare minimum a sock. I'm not a flip flop type of person because I know the dangers to my feet.
So, as of today I still have severely calloused feet. Same with my knees.

However the treatment from the expert was. Rub a generous amount of lubriderm in 3 times a day. Lubriderm is supposed to be the absolute best lotion on the market unless you have a prescription. I've had one...I'm learning to trust the Lubriderm. I've thrown out everything that makes the claim to reduce cracks..etc. It doesn't work I've tried it all.

As for your knee's same deal. Three times a day. Right before bed, as you get up and sometime in between.
Loofa's and such are not recommended because as they do take off the top layer of dead skin. They also take away the natural oils your skin has...and makes it even drier down the line.

I'm at a year and still battling with my dry skin although it is much better than it was when I started out.
Kneel on a mat or something and lube it up as much as possible.

The Lubriderm is good stuff...and the doc is correct. I've heard the same thing and moreover seen it in action: my sister had a terrible problem with eczema as a younger person...so bad her feet bled. The only thing that worked was Lubriderm...within about 6 months she was healed after years of cracked, painful bleeding feet.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 2:18:59 PM

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((shrugs)) I just dont kneel for hours a day.. i dont really have the time to.
I find that is a simple salution ((giggles))

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 7:59:12 PM

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Suboregano,

Some years back I had a submissive staying with me who had exceptionally sensitive knees and had rawness frequently. I went to a carpet supplier and brought home hundreds of sample swatches of carpet of different weaves and blends and we experimented to find the one that irritated her the least. Once we had a choice I had the whole place carpeted with triple padding under the carpet. Her problem cleared right up and all my visitors always comment on how it feels so nice walking around in my place. (The softness does make it hard for those in heels though.)

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 8:53:40 PM

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As for preventing them, a nice pillow, or taking breaks from kneeling wheneer possible, it can do damange bein on your knees all the time.

This is why alot of people in my profession have bad knees. Kneeling for long periods regularly, can actually mess your knees up. The damage done eventually is alot more than just dry skin and sore knees. Kneepads help. The kneepads for carpenters, which strap on, can get uncomfortable as the straps sometimes tend to "bite" into your leg. Most are cupped with hard plastic on the outside. This can cause a sweaty uncomfortable fit especially if you are wearing pants and the straps can cause a rash on sweaty legs.

I would talk to your dom and perhaps see if there is another postion which would be a suitable replacement that would take you off your knees. I dont know how much good kneepads and other paddings will do for preventing permament damage to your knees. I do know kneeling for long periods on hard or semihard surfaces( such as burber carpet with thin padding or commerical carpet) will mess your knees up internally to the point of needing surgery.

Alternatively making sure your lower legs(as opposed to only your knees and part of your foot touching the floor) take the brunt of your weight will ease the damage and crawling will increase the speed at which they are damaged as when you pick one leg up your other knee supports a bulk of your weight( in most cases).

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RE: calloused knees - 7/6/2007 9:25:18 PM

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My two cents: a throw rug might be more comfortable for an hour or so, but in the long run, it'll cause the same problems. Topically, skin needs to breathe, and if it is going to be stressed out (such as o, say, taking all your weight distributed in six or so square inches), it's going to need a lot more than thicker pile.
I'd say...get away from synthetics. A fluffy bathmat might seem like a good idea, but even if you're not immediately irritated, rayon and polyester and the full gamut of crappy materials really aren't appropriate for what you're doing. Good pile is a nice idea, but go with natural cotton, a pillow in natural silk, etcetera. I do prefer those surfaces which are smooth rather than nubbly; you won't get the bunches-of-little-bits-digging-in effect.

A lot of the skincare recommendations noted are good ones. However, your skin forms callouses for a reason. Removing them and/or attempting to soften them by whatever means is not necessarily a good idea. It might feel better to stroke, and it might *look* better, but you will end up permanently harming yourself if you continue the activity and remove the body's natural response to it. If you must kneel for several hours each day (hopefully you're granted minibreaks?), you and your Master should not expect you to have the soft, silky, callous-free knees like the pampered and liberated folks. By all means take good care of them, give them some moisture (your skin will tell you when it needs it; forget the mandatory twice-a-day crap), try not to irritate them when it's unnecessary, but don't think they're gonna take the abuse and act like nothing happened.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/7/2007 12:46:12 PM

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I'd also be concerned about the issue of impeding circulation to the lower legs and feet. Any activity that causes prolonged bending of the knees, and sitting immobile (such as long car trips, airplane trips, or a desk job with prolonged sitting) increases the tendency for the lower limbs to retain fluid and swell, and also slows circulation enough that the risk for blood clots is increased. In addition to steps to protect your skin, you need to be able to get up and walk around for a few minutes at least every 30 minutes. Hours of kneeling, with no breaks included, is not a good idea.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/7/2007 6:35:56 PM

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Thank you again for your replies. I am very glad that i decided to post my question here, you all have been a lot of help. I will talk more with my Master and see what can be done to minimize the kneeling and make sure my knees are padded when i do kneel.

Slave kylee

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RE: calloused knees - 7/8/2007 8:27:37 AM

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Once we had a choice I had the whole place carpeted with triple padding under the carpet. Her problem cleared right up and all my visitors always comment on how it feels so nice walking around in my place. (The softness does make it hard for those in heels though.)

This is off topic however knowing a wee little bit about carpet. After carpeting several houses in my life. Talked to numerous professionals. Knowing the right size of pad you should have for even wear. Also not to damage the carpet.
How long did your carpet last? Heels would go right through it...also there would literally be trenches in the carpet where you walked the most. Rather quickly at that.
A single good pad is what makes the carpet soft to walk on.
So, just curious is all.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/8/2007 9:18:26 AM

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I have hardwood floors in my house so kneeling on them for me is just not an option. Master does not make me kneel all that much, but when he does i have a throw pillow to kneel on. It works make kneeling much more comfortable.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/8/2007 9:18:44 AM

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I wonder if at any time your knees ever feel numb? Anyone who kneels for any amount of time should be cognizant of this. People who lay carpet are usually moving constantly, so a continual pressure isn't on the knees. Even with cushioning, which certainly helps, circulation can be impeded over a period of time. If your knees ever feel numb or tingling, you need to get off of them. This is the bodies way of telling you that circulation is being impeded. This not only causes damage to the underlying integument, but also slows or prevents the healing of already damaged surface areas of skin.

Anyone who has had to stand at "attention" for long periods of time, such as military, police, etc. know how the soles of the feet can start feeling this way. A technique many use to help, is to slowly shift the weight back and forth, in a manner that the movement isn't detectable from a spectator. You can do this while kneeling also, which will help alleviate circulatory impedence, numbness, tingling, allow you to kneel for master for extended periods, and allow the circulation to remain efficient to heal the sore areas.

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RE: calloused knees - 7/8/2007 9:43:43 AM

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