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Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relationships - 7/6/2007 7:53:57 PM   
ClairedeLune


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Hello there

I'm hoping some of you will be able to give me some advice and/or tips on this matter. I'm in a wonderful long term relationship with someone who, before me, was entirely vanilla. I've got more experience, but I've never had to be the teacher. Together, we've worked to incorporate aspects of the lifestyle into our relationship, mainly under the umbrella of ageplay and some consensual non con. What I'm looking for however, is advice on strengthening the D/s aspect of our relationship. I love him, and I want to serve him. He loves me, and he wants to be able to Dominate me. But sometimes I feel like he's perhaps unsure of what to do. Are there any ways I can reassure him, and lead him in what to do, without actually leading him?
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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/6/2007 8:04:44 PM   
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Try to get active in your local community. There's a group that caters to 18-35 year olds called TNG (The Next Generation). Check them out.

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/6/2007 8:09:40 PM   
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And just keep telling him he's doing great, keep the lines of communication open and realize that Ds isn't about what you do, it's who you are and the motivation behind it. 

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/6/2007 8:22:24 PM   
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Being someone who was recently (in the past year or so) in the same situation as what you're going through now, I wholeheartedly second LA's suggestion. Communication, important in every d/s relationship, is absolutely crucial if one of you is making the transition from vanilla life. It took me a long time to get comfortable with some of the dominant aspects of my personality, and there are some things that I'm still coming to terms with. Just be patient, and understand that your partner's going through some massive upheavals.

Also... don't be afraid to lead him, sometimes. When I was hesitant about something that Aqua really enjoyed, the best thing that she did for me was to talk me through it. Give your partner feedback, both on what he's doing right and what he's doing wrong.

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/6/2007 11:44:23 PM   
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An experienced submissive can bring out the best in an emerging Dominant, but in general Dominants don't like to be "told" what to do, even if they are open to learning. It's therefore not so much what you do, but how you do it. Perhaps you could get him some D/s reading material as a gift. We've learned quite a bit from watching fetish DVD's together - even the bad ones provoke great conversations on how the scenes could have been better, and not many men turn down the opportunity to watch porn with a partner, lol.
You've got some good advice already - it's a matter of reinforcing the positive to build his confidence and it should go from there.

Many males also have big hang ups about hurting girls. It took my Master a long time to figure out how hard he could really hit me. He may also need some reassurance in that area. If all else fails, give him a wicked look and tell him: "You hit like a girl!"  It worked for me, ROFLMAO

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/7/2007 5:24:43 AM   
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He probably is unsure and please make sure that he is actually a Dominant personality. If not then he will just be pretending for your sake and that can be very unfulfilling. Have him read some books on the lifestyle and as MasterFire suggested, attend some munches for newbies. In time he will figure it out, one way or the other.

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/7/2007 6:58:35 AM   
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Thank you for all the advice! According to the TNG website, it's solely in the USA, but I will try to find something like that here in Montreal.
I really like the idea about the books, I've got some of my own and I'll try to initiate some conversations with him about things I've read.


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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/7/2007 7:03:56 AM   
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Excellent advice all of it, and I'll have to say that I agree, but there's something that I'm curious about...

TNG... I thought that was a 'Frisco based group... They have a chapter up in Canada?

Anyway, yes, like it's been said, communication is the central hub here. He does need to be sure that he enjoys taking the lead, that it can, even with a little adjustment, become natural to him. Society puts in some weird stops, which will have to be overcome, but with solid communication, you shouldn't have too many problems...

And as it's been said, while Dominants generally don't like to be "told" what to do, there are ways to politely insert the idea of something so that he can pick up on it. Sometimes, just asking if you can make a suggestion will lay the ground work, and won't come across as topping from the bottom or any of that silliness, that young to the lifestyle should ever have to worry about.

Having small casual meetings also, just the two of you, to discuss things you've done, what you feel about them, and possibly what you want to try, or would like to see him progress to, in the next scene you engage in will help also.

Being willing to allow him the lead and let him know, without a doubt he has it will help also. In otherwords, just in the course of your conversations, if you were to tell him that it doesn't matter when (within reason, say, any time it's private between you) he wants to just do something, that it's okay and you'll fall in line with it. How far outside you take things from there is between the two of you, but starting just within the home is a good start.

I mean, the spontanaety is a good thing too, in my mind. So making sure he gets it, that he's able to just do something without any sort of lead in (whether he takes advantage of it or not is irrelevant, in the beginning, it's just so he knows) is also important. He needs to (if it's something he can get used to) get used to the fact that he's the "lead"... He's the big kahuna, the top dog, the big cheese, whatever... Ultimately, he has to learn to take that lead and make the decisions.

That is probably the biggest societal hurdle that I can think of, actually. We get it engrained in us that we are in equal relationships when we're with our partners and then when we're faced with the probability of total control, there's something else that grabs hold and tries to tell us that we need to check with our partner... To ask their opinion, or see how they feel about it... But that's something he's going to have to work out on his own.

To stop looking at you as if you have that say in your relationship as to what goes on day to day. Or to stop giving you that say, I should say. Unless he wants to. My point is not that he should, perse, it's what's good for him that matters, but rather that he gets over the idea that he "should". Does that make sense? I don't know if I can make that any clearer.

Getting in contact with other people in your local community could be a huge start too... But you have to be careful not to overwhelm him... Some of the stuff that people do at play parties could scare the living shit out of someone that isn't used to it. So munches or non-play get togethers at first, till he gets used to other people in the scene and realizes they're like everyone else... Relatively normal people... Whatever that definition is... Normal.. Heheh. And preferably people near your age, as Master Fire stated, maybe a bit older and more experienced, but you need that interaction with a like age group, so he begins to trust people around him enough, to be able to see them play and see what they are up to, or ask them questions and get guidance outside of your little unit. But let him move at his own speed. And communicate.

That's my suggestions for it. That and read a lot of books, and watch a lot of videos... And, of course... Play alot... Get lots of practice. And of course, act as you feel comfortable acting in that frame of mind... Whenever possible, to get him used to seeing that, and accepting it as normal in your daily lives.

Ona Z's learning the ropes is a good series, btw... Old... but good.

Also, digging up books on dominance and submission, sado-masochism (if that's an interest) bondage and discipline, corporal punishment, rope work, suspension, whatever... Anything and everything that piques your indivual or collective interest.

That's my suggestion... Just dig into it... Together, preferably... Communicate.

If anything needs clarifying, let me know.

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/7/2007 1:26:48 PM   
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Defer to him. Do what he wants. Enable and encourage him to make decisions, and then carry out those decisions with good cheer. Those are obedient behaviors.

If you're into service, too, you might observe small things he enjoys, and then do them for him, or ask if there's something you could do for him. For the latter, it's easier for new receivers of service to be graceful when asked about something specific, so ask, "Would you like something to drink?" rather than "Can I get you anything?"

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/7/2007 3:00:17 PM   
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What I'm looking for however, is advice on strengthening the D/s aspect of our relationship


When i introduced Hubby to this it helped to go shopping together for some new toys, and to rent some bondage videos.

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/7/2007 3:12:47 PM   
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I agree with all of the above.  Especially letting him research, watch movies, and talking to other Doms.  You might not be this way, but I've had friends in this situation, where the sub was "guiding", it was helpful at first, then when he got in the swing of things...it was hard for her "not" to guide any more, then it turned into a topping from the bottom situation.

I have a room where we just talk, about anything, including new ideas...I would talk to him in a space like that for ideas.  Otherwise I'd point him in the direction of the other ideas, and keep telling him how you feel when he does something.  Encouragement is a great confidence builder.  He'll be flying solo in no time...lol

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RE: Incorporating D/s into "vanilla" relation... - 7/7/2007 3:24:12 PM   
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In addition to all the other advice, I would try figuring out what makes each other "tick". What exactly gets you both in your own "headspace" or "mentality" where you "feal dominant or submissive".

I have certain things I do that serve that purpose. For example, collars a big one. The prescense of a collar around a girl's neck is a huge reminder of what the girl is to me...a slave and not my vanilla girlfriend. This is why collars are part of my relationship (To a degree....at the same time, I just like them).

Things like this I found to be really important in my first experience with a submissive. One of things many new dominants go threw is a change in their own mentality. We're used to viewing the significant other as a vanilla girlfriend and not a slave/submissive and treat them as such.

A lot of this is simply learning new behaviors and habits and letting go of old ones. As I have become more used to and comfortable with the relationship, my own mentality becomes more and more something that just "is" and not something I have to remind myself about.

There is less "Dont get the cups and pour the drinks! Thats what she is for!"

I'm sure you have things that get you in that mindset whether its collars, being called a "girl", or told to kneel. Dominants have them too, but yours might not know what his are yet.



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