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KatyLied -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 3:57:10 AM)
quote: I apologize for going off-topic, but I feel the need to point out that this Barbara De Angelis is an expert in a sense: she's been married five times; once to the author of Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus (he was hubby #3, btw and Dough Henning was #2). Columbia Pacific University, where she got her PhD was a diploma mill that has been shut down by the state of California. I knew she had been married to the Mars guy, but I didn't know she had that many failed marriages. I guess that makes her an expert at failed relationships, I'm not sure I'd want to follow any advice she gives. [;)]

KnightofMists -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 6:29:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww now I am D/S friendly, and I am not overly critical of others, why when KOM was sharing info on how one of the women he is trying to bring into the dynamic and yet has visited but hasn't gotten her passport or whatever to actually live with them was being mentioned, I didn't go on the attack....I didn't try to belittle his situation...if he finds a way to get a threesome or more-some to work, great..... Once again you are talking out your ASS. I am not trying to bring her into the dynamic... she is in the dynamic. Secondly... it's not a passport that is required LOL.. It's Landed Immigration Status... Big difference between the two. Maybe you should actually talk about something you know.. which is not much based on what you have posted here so far. quote: Authority comes from knowing what your talking about....and the ability to persuade...now if someone wants to give me extra information that I don't know, or talk about their experiences, great. I always welcome new or updated knowledge, as should we all.... Actually, Authority can be gained in other methods beyond just knowledge... French and Raven expressed the opinion that "Power" or as some call it Authority can be gained by 5 methods. Coercive, Reward, Legitimate, Referent & Expert Power. Your opinion that Knowledge must be had to gain Authority relates very well to French and Ravens Expert Power. There is likely no opinion on understanding roots of Authority and Power that is more considered than the viewpoint that French and Raven put foward over 40 years ago. It must be frustrating for you... You strike me as a rather passive aggressive individual. You lack alot of substantial experience or knowledge that you can share. When you do share... it's based on dubious references at best. Your mannerism keep you isolated from others and you delude yourself that you are choosing to live alone, but truth is.. to choose otherwise would be alot of failure before any success is likely. A person can only take so much failure before they decide to quit trying. You strike out in a passive aggressive manner to anyone that has what you don't have and wish you could have but not capable of having at this moment of your life... if ever. Yes.. people will ultimately make decisions that are routed from the heart or the mind. However, this is irrelevant. What actually is relevant is making these decisions (regardless from the heart or the mind) that get the results that one desires. To get these results require skills, talents, knowledge etc. If one fails to have the necessary abilities to achieve what is desired.. it doesn't much matter from where the decision comes from. I am sure you are enjoying the attention that you are getting from posting on this thread. Lonely people tend to crave attention and often resort to getting it anyway they can when starved enough for it. Unfortunately, your not likely to change your situation on the current path you are on. You remind me of a drug addict that is getting a quick fix to feel good. But, the fix will not last and before long they will need another. They stay on that destructive cycle until they find the strength and support to change the under laying issues that perpetuate the problems in the first place. Some say they have to hit bottom before they look to their strengths and for support. That they need to hit bottom so that they can change directions. When they have no place to go but up. But, what is bottom for them is just a guess. What is bottom for you? I doubt that you even know.

KnightofMists -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 6:30:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied quote: I apologize for going off-topic, but I feel the need to point out that this Barbara De Angelis is an expert in a sense: she's been married five times; once to the author of Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus (he was hubby #3, btw and Dough Henning was #2). Columbia Pacific University, where she got her PhD was a diploma mill that has been shut down by the state of California. I knew she had been married to the Mars guy, but I didn't know she had that many failed marriages. I guess that makes her an expert at failed relationships, I'm not sure I'd want to follow any advice she gives. [;)] And how to pick the wrong partner.

LaTigresse -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 7:25:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww you can think what I have said here makes me a fool, I don't care about you're opinion, in all honesty....if you want to talk about anything that is thought provoking or makes someone wonder....or facts that relate to anyone besides your personal experience (did I mention I don't care?)......I'm going to step out of the convo, because I have stated what I wanted to.... Well, at least he got one thing right. I always love when I read an ever-so-dramatic declaration of leaving a thread. I try to make it a point to check back and see if they really will. About 90% of the time or more they just cannot help themselves and keep coming back.

KMsAngel -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 7:38:41 AM)
Funny, this thread - though occasionally frustrating as hell - is informative because of everybody's participation. I can't contribute any statistics, I can't contribute anecdotal evidence or opinion, but what i can say is, that while the OP was vy beautiful (and i'm pea green with jealousy), the subsequent - i hate to say silly - attacks actually provoked some very interesting rebuttals. so, actually, kevin, thank you! if nothing else, you've provided us - albeit in a roundabout manner - some insight into a dynamic that i don't think i'd ever be involved in personally, but - perplexingly - find fascinating.

lapresence -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 8:28:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww if you really really care, look up facts regarding our best understanding of romantic love, and tell me with reputable psychologists with page numbers and books that the facts I have stated are false....because the facts I have stated are the basic facts of a news article I had regarding love I had posted on my wall in my bedroom for a number of years....and since I have not heard any valid claim to it being not factual, I accept it as fact, not opinion (we all have one, just like assholes..).... alot of web sites are totally fictious or non-factual opinions.....don't confuse wannabe psychologists or wiki's as fact... May I ask the methodology used to come up with these facts? How do you quantify a time for love? How large was their data set? How did they come up with their random sample? How long was their study? I'd love to see the citation for this article you quote. Where did it come from? So you say it is fact that romantic love only last 18 months, at most? Here, I'll give you a personally observed case study, in brief. I know a couple that has only been seperated from one another for more than a weekend once in their more than 35 years of marriage. I see the comfort she derives just being near him. "Bobby says..." or "I'll have to share _____ with Bobby." Are how most of her sentences start. They need to touch each other; they need and crave no one but each other. I've seen them go through hell (she was diagnosed with a non-malignant malanoma in the brain and had surgery to remove it; that surgery cost her her sight and smell) and come out the other side because of their intense love of one another. Nothing basic about it. That's the most beautiful love I've ever been lucky enough to witness. I fully believe in poly too, but that's another story.

lapresence -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 9:45:22 AM)
People still believe in the Bell Curve study..... Not everything that is written, even by PhDs, are fact. There is plenty of argument in academia. Especially about something so intangible as love. That's why there are whole sections of books about it. And each says something different. Otherwise, why would there be so many? Good luck to you. I am more interested in how experiments are run to determine facts. You mentioned nothing that I would consider relevant without an explanation of how a person came to such conclusions. Don't get so tied up in absolutes, accept that there are a wide variety of things to experience.

LotusSong -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 11:24:00 AM)
(fast reply general comment) I hope CM is still around in 10-20 years, I'd love to see how we all end up.

Ariessub -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 1:15:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww Nevertheless, I appreciate you delurking to mention this, and surprised you deleted the ariessub profile after posting this one post. I am always happy to provide facts if I can. Re: my profile: if this is indicative of how you assimilate information, this may be why you might find yourself drawing erroneous conclusions based on incomplete data (that may sound harsh but you have indicated that you are not a “sugar-coater” either). I deactivated my profile once I met my master; I am now blissfully “delusional” and happily “kidding myself” by participating in a wonderful “weird” polygamous relationship and I simply do not wish to be contacted off these boards by random people. I appreciate that Knight Of Mists took the time to write out his thoughts (which, btw, was how his original post began- “Recently I was asked for my thoughts on the idea of love within my relationships.”- not provide factual data but his thoughts). I find the thoughts and opinions posted by him and his to be of especial interest because they are living a dynamic very similar to mine. I wish you luck in your journey.

Ariessub -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 1:17:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied I knew she had been married to the Mars guy, but I didn't know she had that many failed marriages. I guess that makes her an expert at failed relationships, I'm not sure I'd want to follow any advice she gives. [;)] You know what they say, “those who can’t do, teach” [;)]

MadRabbit -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 3:19:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww you can think what I have said here makes me a fool, I don't care about you're opinion, in all honesty....if you want to talk about anything that is thought provoking or makes someone wonder....or facts that relate to anyone besides your personal experience (did I mention I don't care?)......I'm going to step out of the convo, because I have stated what I wanted to.... Well, at least he got one thing right. I always love when I read an ever-so-dramatic declaration of leaving a thread. I try to make it a point to check back and see if they really will. About 90% of the time or more they just cannot help themselves and keep coming back. Nuh uh! Nuh uh! Its not twue! Its not twue! sticks fingers in ears I'm not listening! Lalalalalalala!

wwwkevinww -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 4:12:58 PM)
I'm really sick of people trying to insult me in this thread. People taking what I say out of context, and then insulting me when the facts I say about them is even slightly off.....like I care if its a passport or immigration whatever, is she with you or not? she's not living with you but part of the dynamic? lol how many times did people not understand facts I said about myself. I never said whether I was a hermit or not, I said IF, if is a strong word, it implies that I'm not revealing alot of info about myself. I'm generally a private person, I don't write a journal for a reason, really read my profile, the information I give out is limited. If I decide to come back to this thread to say things or reply to people who were one of the few people to be nice, then so be it. Changing your mind is always an option. People have called me a tool, passive aggressive, or whatever. The OP is delusional. I am overtly aggressive whenever I choose. I can insult with the best of them, don't presume you impress me in any way, especially when your trying to get into a power struggle that isn't productive. The OP says he is in a pologomistic relationship, and later says he is in online with one of the 3 that is part of the dynamic and she isn't living with them yet? Let me try to understand this mentality. People become insulting, then say he likes it....and that is why he is on here.....lol that is just pathetic. I'm here to share information. I personally don't like to gossip. I don't like to talk bad about anybody. so if you think I'm not insulting you because I'm passive, think again.....I'm doing my best to take the "high road". If I'm alone (notice the word if, I'm not saying I am or not), its by choice. I don't like drama. I also do not bother to update my profile all the time, so if you think that is an indication as to what is going on in my life, its not updated..... I believe I have shared more actual factual information in this thread than anyone else......if you don't like my method of sharing information, that is understandable. I'm egotistical, and generally people don't like others who aren't humble... There are different types of love, and romantic love is one type that you can look up info about. Also let me say that not everyone has been negative, I have had some positive responses from what I have shared.....

Ayanaev717 -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 4:21:39 PM)
Some thoughtful advice wwwkevinww (My apologies for going off topic) You should always cite and reference any thoughts or ideas that are not your own. Then you can save yourself from being utterly attacked by others because you can at least maintain your source. Even if the source itself is attacked- it isn't an attack on you. So shrug your shoulders and move on. I read your posting to me. And honestly, I was going to reply back with (WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?) I didn't instead I continued to read responses back from others and your responses back to them. You have to make clear and concise sense when you are arguing something, but you also have to KNOW what it is you're trying to argue. I am not sure if you did. Finally my dear wwwkevinww when it is clear that others disagree with your ideas, thoughts, and feelings. And you have expressed it to all possibilities- it is time to end the conversation. Some people get their jollies off of demeaning and arguing. If it is not a good argument then let them jolly alone. Doesn't mean your point is not true for you. But it means do not try to get others to conform to you own thoughts to make a point. Plus this is the internet and who cares! That's right who cares! Well, I said my peace about it. Always, A

wwwkevinww -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 4:23:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lapresence quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww if you really really care, look up facts regarding our best understanding of romantic love, and tell me with reputable psychologists with page numbers and books that the facts I have stated are false....because the facts I have stated are the basic facts of a news article I had regarding love I had posted on my wall in my bedroom for a number of years....and since I have not heard any valid claim to it being not factual, I accept it as fact, not opinion (we all have one, just like assholes..).... alot of web sites are totally fictious or non-factual opinions.....don't confuse wannabe psychologists or wiki's as fact... May I ask the methodology used to come up with these facts? How do you quantify a time for love? How large was their data set? How did they come up with their random sample? How long was their study? I'd love to see the citation for this article you quote. Where did it come from? So you say it is fact that romantic love only last 18 months, at most? Here, I'll give you a personally observed case study, in brief. I know a couple that has only been seperated from one another for more than a weekend once in their more than 35 years of marriage. I see the comfort she derives just being near him. "Bobby says..." or "I'll have to share _____ with Bobby." Are how most of her sentences start. They need to touch each other; they need and crave no one but each other. I've seen them go through hell (she was diagnosed with a non-malignant malanoma in the brain and had surgery to remove it; that surgery cost her her sight and smell) and come out the other side because of their intense love of one another. Nothing basic about it. That's the most beautiful love I've ever been lucky enough to witness. I fully believe in poly too, but that's another story. okay, I typed in "case study romantic love" into yahoo, the 4th one down came to this http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/health/psychology/31love.html?ex=1275192000&en=9db08ac71c58c4c3&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss and relates specfically to support what I have said...... Watching New Love as It Sears the Brain Sign In to E-Mail This Printer-Friendly Single-Page Reprints Save Article [image]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/ads/fox/article-sponsor.gif[/image][image]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/ads/fox/sunshine/SUN_88x31.gif[/image] By BENEDICT CAREY Published: May 31, 2005

kyraofMists -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 4:27:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww The OP says he is in a pologomistic relationship, and later says he is in online with one of the 3 that is part of the dynamic and she isn't living with them yet? I think you either need to reread what was written, take a hard look at what "online" relationship is or stop drawing conclusions about something you know little about. There are several people on this board who live across the US that can attest to the fact that our family does not have an "online" relationship. It is very much flesh to flesh. Knight's Kyra

CreativeDominant -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 4:36:59 PM)
I always find it interesting when someone tries to take something as abstract as love and then tear up what others have discovered about it in their lives by bringing in "facts" about love. I did a search called simply "facts about love" and I found this page...http://reference.aol.com/fast-facts/science/_a/fast-facts-about-love/20060208114009990001 Note that it talks about genes that may indicate a cheating heart, men's sweat arousing women, and that there may be some truth to "aphrodisiacs". But those are biological aspects of love. Then this page...http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=5946 It features such tidbits as the fact that our brains prefer people with "familiar" faces, that "you'll know it when you see it", and that love makes us "crazy". There are similar articles that pop up on the first page, and several pages after, when searching about "facts about love". What I noted is that when it came down to the emotion that we call love, there was nothing or very little. Because love, in my opinion and in many of those here, is an abstract concept that we can think about, we can feel, we can even gather others' opinions about but which is hard to put down in a defined, factual way. Because for all the ways we experience love in a like manner, we all experience it in our own unique way. Polyamory is something that fascinates me also, as it does another writer on here and, I'm fairly certain, many who are reading this thread and yet do not reply. I do not think I have the nature for it and I do not think that it makes me any less because I do not just as I do not think it makes those whose nature allows for polyamory to be any less or more than me. It shows once again that love fits "us" in the way it fits "us" best. I agree that it is possible to have a D/s relationship without being in love with a submissive and have stated so in the past. I do not think it is possible to have an ongoing, intimate, intense D/s relationship for any length of time without there being some sort of love involved. Liking someone only carries the relationship along so far. To build deep trust and faith in someone, you must at least love that person even if you are not in love with them. For some, for that trust to be built further, then being in love does come into play. I too have read of the concepts of "Romantic Love" and "Conditional Love" and "Staying-Power Love" and on and on. The main idea that seems to be brought out in writing about these is how one type of love cannot exist within the framework of another type of love. I disagree...there were times when the love I felt for my partner was more of one then it was of another and yet, there was more than one type of love existing within the framework of our relationship. I love my first submissive. She was and is a special part of my life. That does not stop me from being able to love another. Similar to Tigress but up by one, there are only two people in my life that I have loved for which there is little to no love left. I cannot explain fully why that happened anymore than I can fully explain why there is still love for the others in my life. The facts do not support the love in many of these instances...but it is there. I am a great believer in soft and hard science...but I hope that I am intelligent enough to question what does not seem right within those sciences and romantic/emotional/loving enough to understand that not everything can be explained in a scientific manner...and once again, intelligent enough to believe that it does not have to be.

wwwkevinww -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 4:49:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ayanaev717 Some thoughtful advice wwwkevinww (My apologies for going off topic) You should always cite and reference any thoughts or ideas that are not your own. Then you can save yourself from being utterly attacked by others because you can at least maintain your source. Even if the source itself is attacked- it isn't an attack on you. So shrug your shoulders and move on. I read your posting to me. And honestly, I was going to reply back with (WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?) I didn't instead I continued to read responses back from others and your responses back to them. You have to make clear and concise sense when you are arguing something, but you also have to KNOW what it is you're trying to argue. I am not sure if you did. Finally my dear wwwkevinww when it is clear that others disagree with your ideas, thoughts, and feelings. And you have expressed it to all possibilities- it is time to end the conversation. Some people get their jollies off of demeaning and arguing. If it is not a good argument then let them jolly alone. Doesn't mean your point is not true for you. But it means do not try to get others to conform to you own thoughts to make a point. Plus this is the internet and who cares! That's right who cares! Well, I said my peace about it. Always, A I re-read what I replied to you, I was sharing irrelavant info to what you said, regarding the 3 components you mentioned that make up love. I think the first sentence I wrote you was the most significant part of the reply. The last part of that reply was trying to rely too much information in one sentence.... I'm generally lazy, like most people here, and actually bothering to cite sources is a pain..... I notice I am the only one here that is still actually doing this though, pulling out books and citing sources.... what bothers me about what the OP said in the opening to this entire thread was that is what just alot of bullshit..... In his everyday life, he doesn't get overly philosophical when he does normal activities. If he is talking to women, and wants to dazzle them and make their eyes glaze over, he can say shit like that and make them think he is actually saying something..... He's self delusional.....bullshitting himself and others..... There are alot of mental perspectives, and obviously I'm over the mental perspective of taking the "high road" because this isn't from that perspective.... There is a reason why I don't like what he said, and it is not so much the content in that it is that he is saying its his thoughts, but its not original....he's borrowed original thoughts and claimed them as his own..... I'm curious which book or books he plagarized these from, or if he even realizes which ones.....(self delusional because probably doesn't even realize what he is doing)......

MadRabbit -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 4:52:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww I'm really sick of people trying to insult me in this thread. You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble when I very clear spelled out in the bluntest of terms for you that you had no idea what you were talking about. Now...many pages later you have just proven to everyone what was so very clear to me before you even got started. quote: People taking what I say out of context, and then insulting me when the facts I say about them is even slightly off.....like I care if its a passport or immigration whatever, is she with you or not? she's not living with you but part of the dynamic? lol Your making idiotic assumptions regarding other people's relationships to try and add false creditibility to your bogus opinions and "information". Your taking simples holes in semantics and trying to stretch them to make it look the missing gunman on the Grassy Knoll. The majority of the posters here are very familiar with KoM's, Kyras, and Alandra's relationship which is why we are laughing at you as you continue to try and defraud something that most of us know to be something very real and special. However, rather than listen to anyone or any clarifications, you just keep talking out of your ass and continue to make yourself look like an idiot for more insults. quote: how many times did people not understand facts I said about myself. I never said whether I was a hermit or not, I said IF, if is a strong word, it implies that I'm not revealing alot of info about myself. I'm generally a private person, I don't write a journal for a reason, really read my profile, the information I give out is limited. Really? Because I am pretty sure there is no "if" in this statement and I certainly wont call this information limited. quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww I choose a path of being alone rather than sharing, to be a hermit rather than "compromise". You feal that painful sound coming from your midsection? Thats your head moving into an even more uncomfortable position... quote: If I decide to come back to this thread to say things or reply to people who were one of the few people to be nice, then so be it. Changing your mind is always an option. For everyone else....who isnt wrong... quote: People have called me a tool, passive aggressive, or whatever. The OP is delusional. I am overtly aggressive whenever I choose. I can insult with the best of them, don't presume you impress me in any way, especially when your trying to get into a power struggle that isn't productive. Buddy...I've been your best friend in this entire thread. I've been trying to show you how ridicoulous you sound. quote: The OP says he is in a pologomistic relationship, and later says he is in online with one of the 3 that is part of the dynamic and she isn't living with them yet? You ever have a girlfriend who didnt live with you right off the bat? Why is a polygamous relationship so special that it requires everyone to be in the same house to be "real". quote: Let me try to understand this mentality. People become insulting, then say he likes it....and that is why he is on here.....lol that is just pathetic. I'm here to share information. At this point, you might as well share information that the Earth is flat or the center of the universe...because it would be simply less bogus than the assumptions and opinions you have provided so far. quote: I personally don't like to gossip. I don't like to talk bad about anybody. so if you think I'm not insulting you because I'm passive, think again.....I'm doing my best to take the "high road". The "High Road" of not gossiping and not talking bad about people being make post after post of trying to discredit the relationship of 3 people, based on silly semantical holes you have found. quote: If I'm alone (notice the word if, I'm not saying I am or not), its by choice. I don't like drama. I also do not bother to update my profile all the time, so if you think that is an indication as to what is going on in my life, its not updated..... And "If" there had actually been an "If" in this statement... quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww I choose a path of being alone rather than sharing, to be a hermit rather than "compromise". I might actually beleive you as opposed to the more obvious and logical alternative...that you are trying to jerk that head of yours out of its painful position by claiming you said things you did in fact not say. quote: I believe I have shared more actual factual information in this thread than anyone else......if you don't like my method of sharing information, that is understandable. I'm egotistical, and generally people don't like others who aren't humble... True : The egotistical part False : Actual information quote: There are different types of love, and romantic love is one type that you can look up info about. Personally, I dont have to look up info on it. I have experiened it several times in my short lifespan. quote: Also let me say that not everyone has been negative, I have had some positive responses from what I have shared..... And 10 doctors will say you have lung cancer, but eventually...you will find 1 that will say you dont.

wwwkevinww -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 4:58:38 PM)
"When you're in the throes of this romantic love it's overwhelming, you're out of control, you're irrational, you're going to the gym at 6 a.m. every day - why? Because she's there," said Dr. Helen Fisher, an anthropologist at Rutgers University and the co-author of the analysis. "And when rejected, some people contemplate stalking, homicide, suicide. This drive for romantic love can be stronger than the will to live." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/health/psychology/31love.html?ex=1275192000&en=9db08ac71c58c4c3&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss - source What I was saying was this type of new love, which they also refer to as romantic love, cannot last forever, its not healthy, and has a time limit of 18 months....

lapresence -> RE: Love within Authority Dynamics (7/10/2007 5:07:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wwwkevinww okay, I typed in "case study romantic love" into yahoo, the 4th one down came to this http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/health/psychology/31love.html?ex=1275192000&en=9db08ac71c58c4c3&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss and relates specfically to support what I have said...... Watching New Love as It Sears the Brain Thanks for the article. Although it still didn't discuss the facts you claimed earlier. An interesting read, to say the least. However, now I'm going to pick it apart from someone who has a background in the social sciences. I have a degree in anthropology and had to take social research methods for that degree. The authors of my text were psychologists. 1) That article is not a case study at all. 2) 17 as a sample size is way too small to have any real bearing on anything. The experiment is not statistically significant. The idea is to repeat the same experiment (not a similar one) over and over in an effort to disprove those findings. Note, I'm not saying that the results are invalid, but they need to be tested again and again with larger sample sizes to make it anything resembling a fact. You still haven't convinced me that what you said were facts were so. And I illustrated a case that I have witnessed that still resembles the infatuated, romantic love that you spoke of. There is an article on WebMD that says men can't be bisexual. I know bisexual men. That article also lacked a large enough sample size, and I found their methodology lacking in proving their case. Thanks again.

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