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SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 12:47:40 AM   
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I would like some fedback on this subject . I am all for SSC and Risk awareness Consentual kink ..Can someone go  into detail for Me about  RACK??
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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 2:03:24 AM   
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As far as I know, RACK is an alternative that some prefer as they say that some of WIITWD can't really be defined as "safe" or necessarily "sane"! Both systems agree that things must be Consensual. They simply prefer "Risk Aware" to "Safe and Sane" as they feel it better describes the actuality.

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 2:09:57 AM   
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Yeah, I was going to say something flippant (since I think "SSC" and "RACK" are both gimmicky and stupid), but MaamJay explained the difference as clearly as could be.

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 4:47:19 AM   
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Here's a reprint of an article I wrote a few years ago.  It appears here with the full authorization of the author (moi).  I'm not prone to posting such things here, as it sometimes smacks of "blowing one's own horn" (and I find it infinitely more rewarding to have someone blow it for me), but it seems rather relevant to the thread.
 
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SSC and RACK
 
 
What are they and what do they mean?
 
Both SSC and RACK serve a dual purpose.  First they act as a guideline for us to engage in (relatively) “safe” B/D S/M play (though no play is free of risk).  Secondarily, they are a “public relations” slogan to counter a generally sensationalist view of “the lifestyle” portrayed in the media (and held by the public at large) as “crazed predators, partaking in ghoulish activities and preying upon unwilling victims”.
 
Both SSC and RACK are acronyms.  SSC stands for “Safe, Sane and Consensual” while RACK refers to “Risk Aware Consensual Kink”.  The basic tenets of each are as follows:
 
 
SSC
 
What constitutes “safe” and “sane” differs from individual to individual, based upon their knowledge and experience level, preparation, emotional state of mind, physical limitations, etc.  In this way, it is relative to each individual, rather than an absolute that is the same for everyone.  The constituent components of SSC are:
 
Safe:  SSC implies that individuals participate in “safe” activities (understanding that no activity, even crossing the street, is without risk).  As extreme (and hopefully obvious) examples, death and dismemberment would not be considered “safe” activities.  Even “edge play” (the more “extreme” B/D S/M activities) can (and should) be practiced with relative safely.
 
SSC also implies that individuals remain within their level of knowledge and experience in order for an activity to be “safe” (ie: pilots may safely fly planes, but I do not have the training to do so).  It is not safe for all people to engage in every B/D S/M activity, because they may not all have the same abilities, training, or experience as others.
 
Where’s that line drawn between safe and unsafe?  It differs from individual to individual (ie: it is relative to those in the scene) and activity to activity (ie: experience and training in each specific B/D S/M activity).
 
Sane:  SSC implies that both individuals are of sound mind (ie: sane), and that the activity is “sane” as well (participating, even consensually, in your own death and cannibalism, which has actually happened, would not be “sane”).  I often view the term “sane” as a bridge between “safe” and “consensual” in that participation in unsafe or nonconsensual activities (considering the likely results of that participation) is “insane”.  Or, in other words, you’d have to be “insane” (or, at the very least, immensely stupid and/or criminal) to expose yourself to the legal liabilities associated with forced participation, or to knowingly engage in an activity whose likely outcome is injury or death (which carries its own civil and criminal liability as well).
 
Consensual:  It’s tempting to view consent as the simple utterance of the word “yes”, but it has a far broader interpretation.  Children can’t offer consent.  People under the influence of drugs or alcohol can’t offer consent.  People who are uninformed (don’t know what they are authorizing) can’t offer consent.  Those that are unable to say “no” (whether through intimidation, an overwhelming desire to please, or are in the throes of “subspace” for example) can’t offer consent.  And, of course, forcing your kink upon those that are not part of your scene or consented to viewing it is nonconsensual (ie: that is what distinguishes an exhibitionist from a “flasher”).
 
The presence of consent does not confer “protection” from scene related injury, but since it does offer you and/or your partner a protection of its own (including protection from additional, though not all, civil and criminal liabilities), it is one of the very few universally recognized as a necessities within BDSM.
 
 
RACK
 
What constitutes “acceptable” risk differs from individual to individual.  The concept of RACK is such that each participant is fully informed, and makes their own decisions based upon that information.
 
Risk:  Everything we do involves an element of risk, because everything we do involves an element of danger, however insignificant that may be.  Whether taking a shower, walking across the street, or driving a car… everything has the potential to harm us.  RACK requires that each participant comprehend the level of risk associated with a specific activity, and the distinct individuals participating in that activity (their knowledge, experience, training, etc.)
 
Aware:  Participants must be aware of the unique nature of everyone engaged in a specific activity.  That includes their particular preferences, limits, limitations (ie: health issues), etc.  No two people engage in an activity exactly alike.  Being aware means communicating, listening and negotiating until all the participants come to an understanding of how an activity will be conducted.
 
Consensual:  Just as in SSC, consent is a broad interpretation (see the definition above).  Be absolutely certain that legitimate consent is present.
 
Kink:  The specific B/D S/M activities in which we participate can also be called “kinks”.  Kinks are rather personal and unique to us all.  It’s important to understand the unique nature of each other’s kink such that we can derive the greatest pleasure from our participation in it.  Communicating that to the other participant(s) in the activity will allow them to incorporate your kink into the scene, or inform them of your intentions to do so.  It’s not acceptable to “force” your kink upon someone else that might not be willing to participate in it, or who was not informed of your intentions (surprises are not often appreciated).  Limited exceptions may or may not exist within the context of an ownership relationship.
 
 
Where do they come from?
 
 
The phrase “Safe, Sane and Consensual” was first coined by Slave David Stein in 1983 for the Gay Male S/M Activists (GMSMA).
 
The origin of “Risk Aware Consensual Kink” is less clear, though I have seen a few attributions to Gary Switch from the late 1990’s.
 
 
My personal views on SSC and RACK:
 
I should preface this in two ways.  First (and foremost), I wholly endorse using either SSC or RACK, as they both have the net effect of causing us to think about (and do) the things that keep all of us “safer” (though, not without risk).  And second, these are my personal views.  Neither I nor anyone else can (or should) speak for the entirety of “the lifestyle”.  I’m sharing my opinions here simply in hopes of generating some thought for you, the reader, as to which (SSC or RACK) best meets your needs.
 
In my estimation, RACK is a much more appropriate guideline for scenes involving strangers or acquaintances.  It is more focused upon actual negotiation, and more equally distributes the responsibility amongst all the participants in a scene.  Given that the vast majority of those in “the lifestyle” have a specific interest (and motivation) to participate solely in B/D S/M activities (as opposed to power exchange relationships), it’s not uncommon (in fact, it’s quite widespread) for Tops and bottoms to scene with several different partners.  And given that they may not share an intimate knowledge of one another, it makes sense that each participant would accept the full responsibility for the circumstances of their individual participation.
 
My personal lifestyle interest is in power exchange relationships, and my scening takes place within the context of those relationships.  So I don’t have the need to negotiate with strangers or acquaintances.  Consequently, I find that the concepts of SSC are more congruent with my role as a Dominant in a power exchange relationship, in that I accept a greater degree of responsibility and control in my submissive’s life (including our scenes).
 
As a Top or a Dominant, it’s unavoidable that we accept a greater degree of responsibility when scening.  Both in terms of our oversight responsibility for the scene itself (after all, we are the ones in control, even if only for the duration of a scene), as well as the civil and criminal liabilities associated with many B/D S/M activities.  And given that I accept that greater control and liability, I am uncomfortable in sharing (equally) the decision-making process inherent to RACK.
 
Some people are uncomfortable with the fact that SSC is not “uniformly” applied to all people in that it is relative to each individual (ie: their state of mind, ability, knowledge, training, experience, etc.).  But that’s precisely the beauty I find in SSC, in that it is adaptable to each of us as individuals.  Ignoring those differences adds (in my opinion) another element of danger to scening that is completely unnecessary. 
 
Those that are uncomfortable with the flexibility inherent to SSC find reassurance in the more rigid application of RACK, in that it relieves them of (some) responsibility to make “judgments” about their partner(s), or others engaged in their own scene (such as a Dungeon Monitor must do).  The emphasis is placed upon individual informed consent (absent much “judgment” regarding the other participant(s) in the scene).  And while that may have an enticing quality to it (so many fear that “judgments” are tantamount to “intolerance”), I can think of many instances when information and consent alone (in the absence of “good judgment”) were utterly insufficient in determining someone’s capacity to safely participate in an activity.  Theoretically, two individuals could be fully aware that the intent and construction of a scene is designed to culminate in death or dismemberment, consensually agree to participate, and still be within the bounds of RACK.  And while that is, admittedly, an extreme example, it rather explicitly demonstrates what I consider to be RACK’s significant shortcomings.
 
I am, admittedly, predisposed towards SSC.  Others favor RACK.  Which best fits your needs?  Only you can know.
 
Rover
 
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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 7:00:48 AM   
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I've always thought the principals defined by KISS were beneficial to all who applied them

(no, I'm not talking about the rockers in black/white makeup, though they have some pretty interesting things to say)

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 8:02:06 AM   
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Today I am playing LuckyAlbatross:

RACK vs SSC - http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=595676&key=RACK%2CSSC

 SSC or RACK? - http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2640&key=RACK%2CSSC

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 8:03:36 AM   
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John,

Thank you for the article.  SSC and RACK have always seemed more similar than dissimilar to me, and so I've never been concered about which (or either) applied to me.  I appreciate knowing your views on the differences.

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 8:23:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion
I've always thought the principals defined by KISS were beneficial to all who applied them
(no, I'm not talking about the rockers in black/white makeup, though they have some pretty interesting things to say)

Good point, MstrssPassion.  A lot of folks seem very into defining their actions by SSC and/or RACK principles but I have been pleasantly surprised to see many on these forums say they don't necessarily adhere to either.  I had never even heard of either of them until I was well into our M/s relationship.  The principles we have always operated by are abbreviated AMD (Anything Master Desires).  Seriously, we didn't need to read all about SSC or RACK to know how to act.  That was worked out between us easily without outside guidance.  I'm sure both sets of principles have their value , however, for others in different relationships...........luci

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 8:26:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

Today I am playing LuckyAlbatross:

RACK vs SSC - http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=595676&key=RACK%2CSSC

 SSC or RACK? - http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2640&key=RACK%2CSSC



Geoff Sir, you can play the role of LuckyAlbatross but she is much prettier then you are..
but i love you anyways..

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 8:33:54 AM   
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We tend to go by RACK here in our little corner of  the world. I think we do it naturally, We know what we are doing can be dangerous, We accept those risks and go ahead.

Not just for BDSM...  Know the risks and decided it it is worth it and then go forth and have the time of your life. I have had more injuries playing RUGBY then BDSM...  We have had more brusies and even broken bones doing SCA Sword and Board fighting then bottoming in BDSM stuff.  So RACK applies to all kind of things if you take the "K" kink out of it. -- ok,ok.... 1,200 men and women running around a big field dresses as midieval knights hitting each others with sticks is a bit kinky too

but one thing.. if at first you don't succeed,, don't go skydiving..

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 9:28:31 AM   
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Rover,

Thanks for an excellent article on the subject. It honestly saved me from a long assed dissertation on the subject and noodly fingers.

And your opening statement cracked me up. I'm much more inclined to feel that someone else tooting my horn is that much more satisfying too... Not to mention, I'm not quite that flexible... *snicker*

As for myself, I tend to kinda apply both of those, by being sure that I am in the proper frame of mind during scenes, making sure that I'm making a proper judgement (not negative judgementality) as to the capacity of my partner to make decisions in regards to her own consent and well being, as well as being sure that they fully understand the risks, that I fully understand the risks, that we both can make a proper decision and come to the same conclusions, and last but not least in the slightest, that it can be done within the pretext of safety.

That would be making sure that all foreseeable risk is eliminated or mitigated through proper preparation of the scene, ourselves and in our environment, as well as those watching it unfold.

So I guess, even being that I'm bent severely along the lines of TPE, I still subscribe to something that looks like SSRACK... Though I'm still up in the air as to what constitutes "sane" as I don't truly believe there is such a thing... Other than sound judgement and the ability to act on that judgement in an acceptable manner.

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 10:42:38 AM   
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SSC and RACK require COMMON SENCE. Without that, they mean nothing. They are basically the same thing as described above, its the people that are behind or that use them that makes the REAL difference and the respect that goes with using them. Many seem to lack 'common sence' its kinda an oxymoron at times {looks around then bites tongue}, but, whatever works.

Using SSC or RACK and know what they mean to YOU are more important that the details of what the 'general' definition of them is.  

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 12:29:11 PM   
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Thanks for the wonderfull post all . That really made alot of sense to Me in your article  Rover ..

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 12:51:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci

quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion
I've always thought the principals defined by KISS were beneficial to all who applied them
(no, I'm not talking about the rockers in black/white makeup, though they have some pretty interesting things to say)

Good point, MstrssPassion.  A lot of folks seem very into defining their actions by SSC and/or RACK principles but I have been pleasantly surprised to see many on these forums say they don't necessarily adhere to either.  I had never even heard of either of them until I was well into our M/s relationship.  The principles we have always operated by are abbreviated AMD (Anything Master Desires).  Seriously, we didn't need to read all about SSC or RACK to know how to act.  That was worked out between us easily without outside guidance.  I'm sure both sets of principles have their value , however, for others in different relationships...........luci


My point is that I was kicking around in this before SSC or RACK came into play... so was I & everyone else wrong all those years before these two acronyms were created? Are we now more wrong because we haven't embraced them & applied them to our otherwise misguided lives?

I dunno... but then again not one of us had heard the other commonly used acronym BDSM either & I recall a number of us sitting around trying to figure out just what each letter stood for because S&M or SM was well known & used... but then the BD was added & then all of a sudden the SM took on different meanings as well.

(see why I don't care for too many of these acronyms... they haven't simplified communication)

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 1:36:00 PM   
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MstrssPassion ,,, No not in the least were You wrong * Smiles*

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 1:41:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassionMy point is that I was kicking around in this before SSC or RACK came into play... so was I & everyone else wrong all those years before these two acronyms were created?

That's what I hate about the acronyms - the implication that if you don't follow them (and more often, if you don't follow them the way that some anonymous authority figure says they should be followed) you are wrong.

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Are we now more wrong because we haven't embraced them & applied them to our otherwise misguided lives?

Out of curiosity, are you saying that you do things you find to be fundamentally insane, or you specifically undertake forms of play without ever knowing what could go wrong and how? 

I prefer "risk aware" to "safe and sane" because while I try to know the risks before engaging in a form of play, I also like forms of play that are fundamentally unsafe. I simply accept that there are risks, and I accept that if something goes wrong we will deal with the consequences. (As Sir said flippantly in a face play seminar "If something goes wrong and I put her eye out, she doesn't have an eye and I have another hole to fuck. We both know it beforehand.")

I also have run into so many different interpretations of what "sane" refers to that I don't like that particular acronym, whereas I can generally agree with others about what risk aware means.

If you don't practice SSC or RACK or don't consider those terms to refer to your playstyle, you aren't wrong. The man who is most often given credit for coining SSC formed it "to distinguish the kind of S/M [he] wanted to do from the criminally abusive or neurotically self-destructive behavior popularly associated with the term 'sadomasochism'." And in that vein, SSC definitely applies to me.

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 2:00:43 PM   
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After further contemplation I tend to fall into the rack categorie I see .. again  Thanks for all the quality informative posts.

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 2:24:21 PM   
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I slipped into the forum to see what these two terms meant, thank you Rover for the very informative article.  I just wanted to say that, and thanks to all of the informed opinions.
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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 2:34:16 PM   
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Hello ya'll,

I have always thought that rosebeauty's comment makes a lot of sense in our lifestyle, but there is a little silly phrase that makes me laugh and shake my head at the same time. If common sense were common, more people would have it. Unfortunately, acronyms or not, there are many people who attempt rather foolish things and end up hurt. It isn't that crazy and wild things are foolish. It is the doing of crazy and wild things without thinking them through. If I suggested to you that I was going to climb up the Eiffel Tower when I went to Paris with my wild and crazy dominant, and he was going to bind me to one of the spires very far up and leave me there, some of you would have something to say. Have you considered the wind element? Will the knots and rope hold? Does she have any allergies? Will there be a possibility of an asthma attack in that environment? -- Your lists would make sense and make the crazy wild idea more realistic, but still crazy and wild. I think the concept of common sense makes most any choice a better choice. Are you allergic to peas? I would suggest you don't eat peas. And I would sincerely hope that your dominant would not then force you to eat peas. Its the same thing. Common sense!

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RE: SSC Vs Rack - 7/9/2007 2:41:41 PM   
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Nicely stated Karynn... unfortunate as it is alot of Ppl dont have common sense ..

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