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ORIGINAL: sublizzie

Another thread is discussing opinions and the ways to disagree within a D/s relationship. It brought a slightly different question to my mind.

If you are in a relationship where you disagree with the Dominant, how would you handle it if they were to decide that you were to work a booth for an event touting the glories of their particular viewpoint? (ie, working a booth for the NRA if you're against guns, or stumping for a political candidate they love and you hate, etc)

I'm sure there are some here who would probably do it whole-heartedly. I'm not sure I could though I haven't been in that situation to know one way or the other. How would this work in your particular relationship dynamic?

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ORIGINAL: SlND3R3LLA

I don't think I could be with someone that would ever do that, to be honest.  It's okay that we don't agree on everything, it's another when he would feel I had to take on his views in order to exist in his home.  I am a slave, but that will never change the way I feel about those "hot button" issues.  I once had a dom tell me that his views would become my views when I became his slave, needless to say we aren't together anymore. 

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ORIGINAL: slaveish

I would greatly enjoy his amusement and would therefore do an exceedlingly good job at it. I find I am more in touch with my submission when I have to put forth such effort (as in controlling my disdain for the task, doing it anyway, and doing it well, regardless of my personal feelings for it). I would adore his smugness and would give him in return my best effort. A "good girl" in this instance would be especially meaningful.

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ORIGINAL: jauntyone
Greetings

it's an interesting question. Master and I have very radically different political views; views that we have often debated with much enthusiasm. If he was to ask me to be a spokesperson for an opposing view; I could not do it. My views and opinions are too strong to successfully 'lie' in a such a situation. Now, IF, such was asked of me because he felt that my opinion and view of a certain subject was not based on fact ( but rather emotion ), and he asked me for that reason; I would do it just so that I could learn something from the opposing side ( did that make any sense? )

I should point out though that both of us are very sure footed when it comes to holding our stance on a certain subject; and that I can not see Master ordering me to do such a thing for any reason. Still though, it was a very interesting question.

I wish you well

melissa

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ORIGINAL: jauntyone
Greetings
 
it's an interesting question. Master and I have very radically different political views; views that we have often debated with much enthusiasm. If he was to ask me to be a spokesperson for an opposing view; I could not do it. My views and opinions are too strong to successfully 'lie' in a such a situation. Now, IF, such was asked of me because he felt that my opinion and view of a certain subject was not based on fact ( but rather emotion ), and he asked me for that reason; I would do it just so that I could learn something from the opposing side ( did that make any sense? )
 
I should point out though that both of us are very sure footed when it comes to holding our stance on a certain subject; and that I can not see Master ordering me to do such a thing for any reason. Still though, it was a very interesting question.
 
I wish you well
 
melissa

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ORIGINAL: sublizzie

Another thread is discussing opinions and the ways to disagree within a D/s relationship. It brought a slightly different question to my mind.

If you are in a relationship where you disagree with the Dominant, how would you handle it if they were to decide that you were to work a booth for an event touting the glories of their particular viewpoint? (ie, working a booth for the NRA if you're against guns, or stumping for a political candidate they love and you hate, etc)

I'm sure there are some here who would probably do it whole-heartedly. I'm not sure I could though I haven't been in that situation to know one way or the other. How would this work in your particular relationship dynamic?

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ORIGINAL: slaveish

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ORIGINAL: SlND3R3LLA

I don't think I could be with someone that would ever do that, to be honest.  It's okay that we don't agree on everything, it's another when he would feel I had to take on his views in order to exist in his home.  I am a slave, but that will never change the way I feel about those "hot button" issues.  I once had a dom tell me that his views would become my views when I became his slave, needless to say we aren't together anymore. 

Fair enough, but what if he's doing it just because he can, because it amuses him to make you do it, because he knows it is something you feel passionate about? Suppose he only wants to make you ~think~? He doesn't say his views have to be your views - he simply orders you to do it. Do you disobey?

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ORIGINAL: SlND3R3LLA

I wouldn't disobey, but I would talk to him about it and find out why he feels I should do it.  If it's something that means that much to me, there is no way I could "help" the other side, it's just not in me even for his amusement.

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ORIGINAL: slaveish

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ORIGINAL: SlND3R3LLA

I wouldn't disobey, but I would talk to him about it and find out why he feels I should do it.  If it's something that means that much to me, there is no way I could "help" the other side, it's just not in me even for his amusement.

 

That, to me, ~is~ disobedience. It is your will opposing his.

Forget for a moment that "he would never do that to you." IF this is his request, (if I were a Dom I would choose a hot button and not something you were lukewarm about because then what's the point??) DO you disobey?

Is anyone being harmed? Nope. Is your psyche so fragile as to not be able to handle it? God, I hope not. Does he want you to change your opinion? (Let's assume for this example that the answer is no.) He simply wants you to ~do~ something. Period. That's all. Don't think about it, don't analyze it, just DO it. There is something very freeing in such tasks, believe me. As M says ... "How far are you willing to go for me?"

It is difficult to wrap my head around the idea that if a sub or slave would refuse to do a task that is neither physically harmful nor emotionally damaging on the basis that she doesn't "agree" with it.

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ORIGINAL: slaveish

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ORIGINAL: SlND3R3LLA

I wouldn't disobey, but I would talk to him about it and find out why he feels I should do it.  If it's something that means that much to me, there is no way I could "help" the other side, it's just not in me even for his amusement.

 

That, to me, ~is~ disobedience. It is your will opposing his.

Forget for a moment that "he would never do that to you." IF this is his request, (if I were a Dom I would choose a hot button and not something you were lukewarm about because then what's the point??) DO you disobey?

Is anyone being harmed? Nope.How do you know that no one will be harmed?  For exp.  Lets say that I am against abortion but my Master wants me to work for a pro-choice group.  I am there that day and handing out something, or talking to someone about my side of it (or his).  Maybe it was the one time that, that person needed to have the encouragment to go through with it.  If I hadn't been there that day, she might not have done it.  I have now done harm to another, only because for the amusment of my Master.  That is bringing others into our dynamic without their permission or knowledge, and that is wrong.  That is an extreme case, but one that could happen none the less.

Is your psyche so fragile as to not be able to handle it? God, I hope not. I am not fragile in the least, but there are some things in this life I will not be party to, and no one should try to make me otherwise.  It can be something that is dear to me morally, or mentally, that doesn't matter.  It might be something that doesn't mean anything to you, but does that make it any less meaningful to me?  Should it?  Could I live with myself if I encouraged an act I don't believe in, in the first place?  I think it could do damage because it's something that is so deep within myself and my definition of right and wrong.  That is not being fragile, that is being human.

Does he want you to change your opinion? (Let's assume for this example that the answer is no.) He simply wants you to ~do~ something. Period. That's all. Don't think about it, don't analyze it, just DO it. There is something very freeing in such tasks, believe me. As M says ... "How far are you willing to go for me?"

It is difficult to wrap my head around the idea that if a sub or slave would refuse to do a task that is neither physically harmful nor emotionally damaging on the basis that she doesn't "agree" with it. Just because it is difficult for you, doesn't mean it is for anyone else.  We all have different dymanics and we all have limits on how far we would go for another.  My Master knows that I will always do anything for him he asks, but he also knows my heart and how I feel about things.  It is a mute point, and I wouldn't be with anyone that expected me to do those types of things in the first place.  I am always encouraged to keep my values and my opinions, so having me go against those things in a public way would be against the whole M/s relationship as it exists.  That would be just stupid.
 
~sin, Masters obediant (no matter what anyone else thinks) slave[;)]

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ORIGINAL: slaveish
That, to me, ~is~ disobedience. It is your will opposing his.

Forget for a moment that "he would never do that to you." IF this is his request, (if I were a Dom I would choose a hot button and not something you were lukewarm about because then what's the point??) DO you disobey?

Is anyone being harmed? Nope. Is your psyche so fragile as to not be able to handle it? God, I hope not. Does he want you to change your opinion? (Let's assume for this example that the answer is no.) He simply wants you to ~do~ something. Period. That's all. Don't think about it, don't analyze it, just DO it. There is something very freeing in such tasks, believe me. As M says ... "How far are you willing to go for me?"

It is difficult to wrap my head around the idea that if a sub or slave would refuse to do a task that is neither physically harmful nor emotionally damaging on the basis that she doesn't "agree" with it.

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ORIGINAL: slaveish

[Is anyone being harmed? Nope. Is your psyche so fragile as to not be able to handle it? God, I hope not. Does he want you to change your opinion? (Let's assume for this example that the answer is no.) He simply wants you to ~do~ something. Period. That's all. Don't think about it, don't analyze it, just DO it. There is something very freeing in such tasks, believe me. As M says ... "How far are you willing to go for me?"

It is difficult to wrap my head around the idea that if a sub or slave would refuse to do a task that is neither physically harmful nor emotionally damaging on the basis that she doesn't "agree" with it.