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lewis was stating how the OT is for the Jewish People...he's right and the NT is for Christians and that Christians need to stop misintrepting what the OT says. There is also the comparisson of the OT God to the NT God. OT= Prick(his word not mine) Vengeful etc NT=loving peaceful god.

And Lewisis right Christians are using rules and strandards that were written down for the Jewish people to run the country more out less. creationism in school, all anti-gay marriage legislatrue.

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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan
Ok time for a new comedian. Before It wa Carlos Now I am moving on to Lewis Black. This is from Red White and Screwed. One topic in particualar. The bible. Well more like new testament vs old testament. more to the point the whole 7 days of creation vs Evolution. he brought up the fact bush said that as far as evolution goes the jury is still out....another bushism to be sure. lewis was stating how the OT is for the Jewish People...he's right and the NT is for Christians and that Christians need to stop misintrepting what the OT says. There is also the comparisson of the OT God to the NT God. OT= Prick(his word not mine) Vengeful etc NT=loving peaceful god.
And Lewisis right Christians are using rules and strandards that were written down for the Jewish people to run the country more out less. creationism in school, all anti-gay marriage legislatrue.
"Thoughts Screw up the Faith. Ask Any Catholic priest" Lewis Black.
I say if you believe it took only 7 days more power to you but how do yo explain fossils? I possed this question to someone and their answer was its the devil's work.  Now like i said I am a pagan but i grew up in Christian family and went to Catholic school until the middle of the 5th grade. once int he public school system i realized that what i had been taught in school was wrong and one sided. As I got older i saw how my friends who were gay fought with their happiness and their families scorn.  You can be gay and catholic as long as you do not act upon those impulses. Its a big load imo.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
If it works for them, I say they should go with it.  What upsets me is when they try to inflict it on me.
Sinergy
i appreciate that attitude, Sinergy.  Christianity, the Bible, my faith - all that works very well for me and i never "inflict" it upon other people.  i have been involved in some debates here on the forums and that's the closest i've ever come to trying to get someone else to at least see my point about my beliefs.  i believe and live by the tenets of Christianity but i have no desire to force others to do so.  i don't have faith out of fear or ignorance and, unlike many, i HAVE read and studied the Scriptures and continue to do so.  
 
i abhor many of the things that are done and said in the name of Christianity and most of the public figures who say they represent it are sorry examples of what Christian living is indeed.  Attempting to scare people into believing is just wrong too, in my opinion.  On the other hand, i have never understood the need of non-believers in Christianity to bash it.  You don't believe a word of it and think it's all one big fable?  Fine, you're entitled to that as surely as i'm entitled to believe it.  But, why the need of so many to set about ridiculing the Bible, the Christian faith in general, and those who would believe?  Does calling them ignorant and unlearned somehow make you feel validated and superior?  (Not you, Sinergy - i mean the non-believers in general).  
 
Everytime one of these threads pops up, there are those who have an absolute inability to accept that sincere, intelligent, educated people can and do have faith.  i have two college degrees, have always been a straight "A" student and  voracious reader, and am currently preparing to go back to school for my Master's degree.  i am not ignorant, unintelligent, or backward by any stretch of the imagination and i have read and studied the Bible and believe it.  No, i don't think it's all literal, but i do believe it's the inspired Word of God.  My faith can't be "explained away" by simply classifying me as some backward half-wit who hasn't read it and just doesn't know better.  
 
i don't make myself feel better about my beliefs/faith by bashing others, however.  i don't have to ridicule those who are pagan, Buddhist, atheist or whathaveyou to feel more secure about what i believe.  i'm not sure why others have to.  i think everyone is absolutely entitled to believe or disbelieve whatever they choose to but why the need to constantly discredit believing Christians as ignorant and uneducated?  i just don't get it  ............slave luci

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Thoughts Screw up the Faith.

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I say if you believe it took only 7 days more power to you but how do yo explain fossils? I possed this question to someone and their answer was its the devil's work.

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There is nothing wrong with faith but blind faith is not always a good thing.

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Creationism in school is nothing but badly disguesed religious doctrine it should nto be allowed in the public schools.

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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan
Ok time for a new comedian. Before It wa Carlos Now I am moving on to Lewis Black. This is from Red White and Screwed. One topic in particualar. The bible. Well more like new testament vs old testament. more to the point the whole 7 days of creation vs Evolution. he brought up the fact bush said that as far as evolution goes the jury is still out....another bushism to be sure. lewis was stating how the OT is for the Jewish People...he's right and the NT is for Christians and that Christians need to stop misintrepting what the OT says. There is also the comparisson of the OT God to the NT God. OT= Prick(his word not mine) Vengeful etc NT=loving peaceful god.
And Lewisis right Christians are using rules and strandards that were written down for the Jewish people to run the country more out less. creationism in school, all anti-gay marriage legislatrue.
"Thoughts Screw up the Faith. Ask Any Catholic priest" Lewis Black.
I say if you believe it took only 7 days more power to you but how do yo explain fossils? I possed this question to someone and their answer was its the devil's work.  Now like i said I am a pagan but i grew up in Christian family and went to Catholic school until the middle of the 5th grade. once int he public school system i realized that what i had been taught in school was wrong and one sided. As I got older i saw how my friends who were gay fought with their happiness and their families scorn.  You can be gay and catholic as long as you do not act upon those impulses. Its a big load imo.

I am a Christian who generally thinks Lewis Black (and Carlos Mencia) are very funny and clever.  I'm not sure how informed the arguments about OT -vs- NT are, however.  This thread will probably eventually head down the same path that nearly every single thread does that even mentions Christianity - one of scorn and fun-poking from non-Christians toward all who are.  Whatever.  It's pointless to attempt to debate people who refuse to respect your views.  However, I felt the desire to repost this just to offer another perspective.  Remember, just because some Christians are a**holes, doesn't mean we all are.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
If it works for them, I say they should go with it.  What upsets me is when they try to inflict it on me.
Sinergy
i appreciate that attitude, Sinergy.  Christianity, the Bible, my faith - all that works very well for me and i never "inflict" it upon other people.  i have been involved in some debates here on the forums and that's the closest i've ever come to trying to get someone else to at least see my point about my beliefs.  i believe and live by the tenets of Christianity but i have no desire to force others to do so.  i don't have faith out of fear or ignorance and, unlike many, i HAVE read and studied the Scriptures and continue to do so.  
 
i abhor many of the things that are done and said in the name of Christianity and most of the public figures who say they represent it are sorry examples of what Christian living is indeed.  Attempting to scare people into believing is just wrong too, in my opinion.  On the other hand, i have never understood the need of non-believers in Christianity to bash it.  You don't believe a word of it and think it's all one big fable?  Fine, you're entitled to that as surely as i'm entitled to believe it.  But, why the need of so many to set about ridiculing the Bible, the Christian faith in general, and those who would believe?  Does calling them ignorant and unlearned somehow make you feel validated and superior?  (Not you, Sinergy - i mean the non-believers in general).  
 
Everytime one of these threads pops up, there are those who have an absolute inability to accept that sincere, intelligent, educated people can and do have faith.  i have two college degrees, have always been a straight "A" student and  voracious reader, and am currently preparing to go back to school for my Master's degree.  i am not ignorant, unintelligent, or backward by any stretch of the imagination and i have read and studied the Bible and believe it.  No, i don't think it's all literal, but i do believe it's the inspired Word of God.  My faith can't be "explained away" by simply classifying me as some backward half-wit who hasn't read it and just doesn't know better.  
 
i don't make myself feel better about my beliefs/faith by bashing others, however.  i don't have to ridicule those who are pagan, Buddhist, atheist or whathaveyou to feel more secure about what i believe.  i'm not sure why others have to.  i think everyone is absolutely entitled to believe or disbelieve whatever they choose to but why the need to constantly discredit believing Christians as ignorant and uneducated?  i just don't get it  ............slave luci

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ORIGINAL: Level
Nice post, luci.
 Black is funny. I love his work, and hope he doesn't stroke out.

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ORIGINAL: Level
Nice post, luci.
 Black is funny. I love his work, and hope he doesn't stroke out.

Thanks Level.  I hope it's taken in the spirit with which it was intended - no offense or insult, just a different viewpoint.  Black is usually hilarious.  I love it when he's on "The Daily Show" and I've seen the performance the OP mentioned.  He's very intelligent and witty and makes some dead-on observations.  Even something about the way he says things is funny.  I hope he sticks around awhile too.  Thanks again, Level..........luci

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A HA, AAA  HAAA, you have just negated your entire post and yourself.......Pagans don't have to tithe, A HA, SATAN, SATAN worshipper is what you are, 666 all over you.

Don't have to tithe........indeed. I leave you with these words......
SATAN WORSHIPPER.

I saw Lewis Black last night at the MGM, live...he wasn't near as hard as he could have been, very light duty.

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ORIGINAL: dragone

A HA, AAA  HAAA, you have just negated your entire post and yourself.......Pagans don't have to tithe, A HA, SATAN, SATAN worshipper is what you are, 666 all over you.

Don't have to tithe........indeed. I leave you with these words......
SATAN WORSHIPPER.

I saw Lewis Black last night at the MGM, live...he wasn't near as hard as he could have been, very light duty.

hmm how did i label my self as a devil worshipper?? i can introduce you to some if you wish, but thats because i assosciate with every regarless of religion. Two and I hate when people see pagan and jump to Satan in the same bag. ONE the concept and visual for satan was stolen from the pagans image for the lord of the hunt.  TWO pagans don't have to tithe like christians and cathlics do. Wiccan coven do not ask for money from their members. 

Two if you were really trying to flame me you should have been more creative that noise got old real fast and is irrelevant. Two satan is a christian deity not a pagan one. do your research before you insult or at least attempt to insult some one.  Secondly the satanic pentegram and the ones pagans and wiccans use are very different. its not my job to educate you but like i said you want to insult me do some background first. it doesn't pay to step to me half cocked or in your case no cock at all

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Not only that but it in down in the very history book that the bible has been changed. my other probem is that jesus goes from a lil boy to a grown as man in the space of one chapter. dogma had it right.there is a lot that has been left out to make people think they way they want us to think.. I'm sorry but if someone was following jesus that much when he was young someone wrote down what happened in Egypt