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Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 9:41:27 AM

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I'm not a big stereo person myself but a few years back I bought one of those Bose stereos that's about a foot wide and 5 inches high with a cd player on top of it.
The first time I played it the sound was incredable and revolutionary from anything I'd ever heard before out of those big floor speakers.
Amazing how they can get such great sound from such a small box.
So is anyone here a Bose owner?
I think they make them in Central Massachusetts.
If not what kind of stereo do you own and why?
And, how long have you had it?

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 10:14:08 AM

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No Highs?

No Lows?

Must Be BOSE!

( them little speakers just CANNOT move enough air to get the lowest octaves. )

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 10:40:27 AM

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No Highs?

No Lows?

Must Be BOSE!

( them little speakers just CANNOT move enough air to get the lowest octaves. )

It appears from your comment that you have neither heard the Bose product mentioned by the OP (which, based upon his description would be a Bose Wave Radio/CD) in person nor are understanding of acoustic coupling principles and formulae that are used when matching electromechanical driver elements and enclosing them in properly tuned and built acoustic chambers.

The Bose web site and printed materials explain how the acoustic chambers are designed within each of their products to create their overall sonic qualities. Please remember, I'm discussing their Wave Radio/CD and Acoustic Wave all-in-one products. I'm not discussing their satellite/subwoofer systems.

I do own the Wave Radio (sans CD) and it is very good. Very, very good. No, it doesn't move as much air as a wall of sound system would, but it's not designed to do that. It is designed to provide high fidelity sound in a small package to cover the confines of a single room, say a bedroom, with enough volume to make the experience enjoyable. As many audio critics can point, the Wave Radio product doesn't quite match the high frequency definition of 4-figure loudspeaker systems. Here, though, it is a matter of quality of definition; most critics agree that the product does offer enough definition to hear brushes on a snare drum or ride cymbal in a standard jazz drum kit, provided the program material has captured it. The bass response of the Wave Radio is also highly defined. No, it won't knock the plaster off the walls, the popcorn off the ceiling, or the dirt off the windows. It will, however, allow you to hear the fingers sliding up and down the fretboard and strings accompanied with the full frequency bottom of the bass guitar tones; again, if it was captured in the program material.

If you want to clean your windows or prep your ceilings and walls for a new paint job, you'll want to invest in Bose's Acoustic Wave system. ;)

(edited for clarity of thought - sapp)

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 10:45:57 AM

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Yup, that's it, the "Wave" radio/cd player.
Fantastic sound!
Of course it doesn't put out the bass that some of those hip-hop guys have in their vehicles that fuckin HURTS and that the cops give them tickets for.
And yes, you can hear someone's fingers sliding on the strings!

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 10:52:02 AM

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Stereo? I have a kickass pc, and a fairly badass 7.1 speaker system instead.

Audio-wise, this is very decent stuff:

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite 7.1 Channels
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102191

Creative GigaWorks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speaker
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836116142

What I want next is wireless speakers. Running cables blows.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 10:57:10 AM

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If not what kind of stereo do you own and why?
And, how long have you had it?

While I have the Wave Radio, I also have desired to return to the vintage sound of discrete solid state components (I really want to get back to vacuum tubes, but that's way out of my price point). I recently recovered an old Pioneer SX-450 receiver that I had given up long ago as dead. The person I gave it to needed an electronics project to further his training. Years later, I ran across him and he asked if I wanted it back. :) I'm back to listening to all my old vinyl again and am enjoying the experience.

I had owned a number of different "new" tech audio products, mainly a couple of different surround sound receivers made by Pioneer. I was becoming dismayed at the prospect that my hearing was going bad, exremely bad. My vinyl collection no longer had the same clarity of transients that I was used to with the old SX-450. Everything seemed crushed and compressed. Sure, the newer stuff was louder and more convenient to operate (remotes, programming, DSP modes, etc.) but the sound quality -- fidelity -- was lacking.

It's only been these past seven months or so that I've realized that my hearing hasn't gone bad, but the technology did. For whatever reason (methinks mostly economical), Pioneer and others switched from discrete electronic components to integrated chips and circuits. Even the power output stages of 100 watt receivers I've seen are driven by ICs. Compare that to the large-sized, discrete output transistors of the 15 watt SX-450! Give me discrete components any time.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 11:00:20 AM

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Stereo? I have a kickass pc, and a fairly badass 7.1 speaker system instead.

Audio-wise, this is very decent stuff:

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite 7.1 Channels
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102191

Creative GigaWorks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speaker
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836116142

What I want next is wireless speakers. Running cables blows.

Churro, I forgot about that, you can have a stereo through the computer too these days!
I guess like that link it would depend on amp and speakers for the computer as to quality of sound.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 11:35:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sappatoti

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

No Highs?

No Lows?

Must Be BOSE!

( them little speakers just CANNOT move enough air to get the lowest octaves. )

It appears from your comment that you have neither heard the Bose product mentioned by the OP (which, based upon his description would be a Bose Wave Radio/CD) in person nor are understanding of acoustic coupling principles and formulae that are used when matching electromechanical driver elements and enclosing them in properly tuned and built acoustic chambers.

The Bose web site and printed materials explain how the acoustic chambers are designed within each of their products to create their overall sonic qualities. Please remember, I'm discussing their Wave Radio/CD and Acoustic Wave all-in-one products. I'm not discussing their satellite/subwoofer systems.

I do own the Wave Radio (sans CD) and it is very good. Very, very good. No, it doesn't move as much air as a wall of sound system would, but it's not designed to do that. It is designed to provide high fidelity sound in a small package to cover the confines of a single room, say a bedroom, with enough volume to make the experience enjoyable. As many audio critics can point, the Wave Radio product doesn't quite match the high frequency definition of 4-figure loudspeaker systems. Here, though, it is a matter of quality of definition; most critics agree that the product does offer enough definition to hear brushes on a snare drum or ride cymbal in a standard jazz drum kit, provided the program material has captured it. The bass response of the Wave Radio is also highly defined. No, it won't knock the plaster off the walls, the popcorn off the ceiling, or the dirt off the windows. It will, however, allow you to hear the fingers sliding up and down the fretboard and strings accompanied with the full frequency bottom of the bass guitar tones; again, if it was captured in the program material.

If you want to clean your windows or prep your ceilings and walls for a new paint job, you'll want to invest in Bose's Acoustic Wave system. ;)

(edited for clarity of thought - sapp)

Enough "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH"

What are the numbers for: frequency response, impedance, sensitivity, power output, power handling

You know, like for the Meyer HD-1:

Frequency Response (1) ...32 Hz - 22 kHz Free Field
... -3 dB at 32 Hz & 22 kHz
... ±1 dB 40 Hz - 22 kHz (2)

Maximum SPL ... 120 dB @ 1 meter

Signal to Noise Ratio ... >100 dB (noise floor 20 dBA @ 1 meter)

Coverage ... 60° Horizontal x 60° vertical

Crossover ... Optimized pole-zero filter combinations to complement transducer response and to achieve acoustical transparency and flat phase Transducers

Low Frequency ... 8" Cone

High Frequency ... 1" Dome tweeter

Audio Input Type ... 10 k ohm impedance, electronically balanced
Connector ... XLR female

Nominal Input Level ... Accepts either +4 dBu or -10 dBV, switchable

Amplifiers
Type ... Complementary MOSFET output stages

Burst capability ... 225 Watts (150 & 75 watts, two channels)

THD, IM, TIM ... < 0.02 %

AC Power Connector ... Three-pin IEC male receptacle

Physical Dimensions ... 12.00" W x 16.00" H x 15.75" D (+ 2" for chassis and HF dome clearance)
(305 mm x 406 mm x 400 mm)

Weight ... 51 lbs (23.13 kg)

Notes

1. Subject to room loading. Specified for 8 feet actual distance between HD-1 cabinet and a single boundary surface.

2. One-third octave resolution.

Unless otherwise specified, all acoustical measurements are performed at 1/2 meter from front baffle on tweeter axis. Acoustical decibels are specified re 20 uPa.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 11:57:00 AM

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The computer is a programmable machine hence it does whatever you design it to do - play MP3s, play DVDs, pretty pictures as a slideshow on a large wall-mounted screen, record audio, edit digital photos, etc. In my case, I am ever moving forward with the PC as my sole source of electronic entertainment: it plays music and displays visuals that keep time with the music, DVDs can be played from a PC as easily as from DVD player, all kinds of role-playing games are available that can be played with opponents off the internet, etc. It just goes on and on - it would cost a few grand to get a decent setup, but after that it's smooth sailing and swapping out components as needed. I am considering my options for a more theater type experience in the living room - I can't decide if I want to wait for LCDs to get cheaper, wait for the LED screen revolution, or just get a computer projector for now (probably this option). The theater PC is still more of a DIY project.

Some PCs can be made nearly silent, others could be kept in a different room if the sound bothered one. There are options with that part. A networked set of systems can provide all kinds of access throughout a household.

I set up my brother's house with 4 networked PCs, each system was designed to play music to a 7.1 speaker system as mentioned above. All the PCs connect to a central system that houses over 200 GB of Mp3s. We made some effort to not duplicate peripherals like printers that could be shared resources. They obviously have internet access throughout the house. Anything you might use a computer for is accessible by sitting down in a nearby chair.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 12:02:35 PM

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The computer is a programmable machine hence it does whatever you design it to do - play MP3s, play DVDs, pretty pictures as a slideshow on a large wall-mounted screen, record audio, edit digital photos, etc. In my case, I am ever moving forward with the PC as my sole source of electronic entertainment: it plays music and displays visuals that keep time with the music, DVDs can be played from a PC as easily as from DVD player, all kinds of role-playing games are available that can be played with opponents off the internet, etc. It just goes on and on - it would cost a few grand to get a decent setup, but after that it's smooth sailing and swapping out components as needed. I am considering my options for a more theater type experience in the living room - I can't decide if I want to wait for LCDs to get cheaper, wait for the LED screen revolution, or just get a computer projector for now (probably this option). The theater PC is still more of a DIY project.

Some PCs can be made nearly silent, others could be kept in a different room if the sound bothered one. There are options with that part. A networked set of systems can provide all kinds of access throughout a household.

I set up my brother's house with 4 networked PCs, each system was designed to play music to a 7.1 speaker system as mentioned above. All the PCs connect to a central system that houses over 200 GB of Mp3s. We made some effort to not duplicate peripherals like printers that could be shared resources. They obviously have internet access throughout the house. Anything you might use a computer for is accessible by sitting down in a nearby chair.

Churro, WOW! You must really know computers!
Sounds like there's all kinds of things that can be done with them that I'm just not aware of.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 12:08:29 PM

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Ah...finally a nice, innocuous topic I can relate to. Thanks spinach-eater!

I have a pair of Bose 901s with the stands and equalizer, but I just use them for my "drum practicing" stereo, since they can be played loud enough to match the drums without blowing.

My "real" stereo is pretty modest but sounds great. I have a Denon PMA 520 integrated amp that puts out 80 watts RMS into my 6 ohm Advent Laureate speakers. It's a good setup because it sounds fairly good when played very loud, but, more important to me, sounds very VERY good at low and mid-volume levels. The amp has super low distortion. It's a class A amp, so it makes a fair amount of heat but is very accurate. I feed it with a Denon DCM-440 CD changer that was pretty close to state-of-the-art when I got it...13 years ago...and a Denon 3-head, 3 motor cassette deck. The speakers are acoustic suspension (sealed, no ports), so they have very accurate bass. They have 1", liquid cooled, dome tweeters and twin 5 1/2" drivers, all four of which I've replaced due to aging. They look nice, too, with the solid pecan front and top panels.

Like I said, modest but effective.

edited to add: I also use all premium cables by companies like Straight Wire, and I use the original Monster speaker cable. Some people don't believe it, but that stuff really does make a difference. All the little differences add up.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 12:09:20 PM

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E-bay the projector. And MythTV makes it a whole lot easier to consolidate over-the-air/cable/downloaded/streaming content/dvd's etc...

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 12:16:27 PM

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E-bay the projector. And MythTV makes it a whole lot easier to consolidate over-the-air/cable/downloaded/streaming content/dvd's etc...

I just love all that "technical talk."

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 12:58:03 PM

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Enough "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH"

What are the numbers for: frequency response, impedance, sensitivity, power output, power handling

...

I'm not disputing numbers. I would, however, take the consumers that Bose is marketing the Wave Radio and Acoustic Wave products for and put them in a room with either of those units and include units and/or loudspeaker systems from their competition, now read this carefully -- in that price range. Have the consumers make a selection based upon auditioning sessions, not just reading specs.

I've learned a long time ago that numbers of any kind can be fudged, including audio specs. Back in the 1970s, during the "receiver wars" that's all it really was... one big battle over who's specs on paper were better. I believe this is why the method for determining output RMS wattage was also changed somewhere between the 1970s and the 1990s. Too many manufacturers were playing with the numbers back in the '70s.

When an audio professional's career and reputation are on the line, they take printed specs into consideration only as so far as filtering out obviously bad equipment; on the order of tens of percents bad. They usually don't worry about tenths of percents of difference among specs, but prefer to use past experiences of other issues like customer service, equipment longevity, etc. as their deciding factors. Once a list of likely candidates has been created, actual auditions in appropriate listening environments take place so the final selection can be made. At least, that's how I and my fellow sound guys "back in the day" went about it; it may be different now.

I readily agree that the specs of my 1999 era Pioneer SX-205 100 watt receiver are more impressive looking than those of my 1976 era Pioneer SX-450. However, besides the obvious difference in output RMS wattage, the rest of those specs vary only in tenths or hundredths of a percent. Can you truly hear a 0.01% difference in decibels? In a side by side comparison between the two, the SX-450 can go up to 75% of it's volume control movement until it reaches an audible distortion over my loudspeakers; sound pressure at 120 decibels "C" weighted at one meter. However, the SX-205 could only muster 25% of it's volume movement until the same level of audible distortion was heard using the same loudspeakers at the same distance; SPL was 85 decibels "C" weighted. (Hmmm... cleaner sound at louder volumes from a lower powered receiver (according to the paper specs)... I wonder how that works?) Remember, the SX-450 is rated at 15 watts per channel using the 1976 definition of what constitutes output RMS calculations whereas the SX-205 is rated at 100 watts per channel using the current output RMS calculations. While the paper specs for distortion was only tenths or hundredths of a percent different, the real life test showed the actual output to be on the order of tens of a percent different.

So, which is the best method of selecting gear? The printed specs or actual real life listening sessions? Ultimately, a person will be listening to the equipment when they get it home, so what's the point if the specs look pristine but the device itself actually sounds bad in their environment? Not every one is gifted to the point where they can look at specs and immediately know, in their mind, precisely how it'll sound in their space.

That's why I've always advised people to go out and listen to gear before buying. The human ears and brain are absolutely the best quality control tools and measuring devices each of us have when selecting audio gear.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 1:04:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Enough "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH"

What are the numbers for: frequency response, impedance, sensitivity, power output, power handling

You know, like for the Meyer HD-1:

Frequency Response (1) ...32 Hz - 22 kHz Free Field
... -3 dB at 32 Hz & 22 kHz
... ±1 dB 40 Hz - 22 kHz (2)

Maximum SPL ... 120 dB @ 1 meter

Signal to Noise Ratio ... >100 dB (noise floor 20 dBA @ 1 meter)

Coverage ... 60° Horizontal x 60° vertical

Crossover ... Optimized pole-zero filter combinations to complement transducer response and to achieve acoustical transparency and flat phase Transducers

Low Frequency ... 8" Cone

High Frequency ... 1" Dome tweeter

Audio Input Type ... 10 k ohm impedance, electronically balanced
Connector ... XLR female

Nominal Input Level ... Accepts either +4 dBu or -10 dBV, switchable

Amplifiers
Type ... Complementary MOSFET output stages

Burst capability ... 225 Watts (150 & 75 watts, two channels)

THD, IM, TIM ... < 0.02 %

AC Power Connector ... Three-pin IEC male receptacle

Physical Dimensions ... 12.00" W x 16.00" H x 15.75" D (+ 2" for chassis and HF dome clearance)
(305 mm x 406 mm x 400 mm)

Weight ... 51 lbs (23.13 kg)

Notes

1. Subject to room loading. Specified for 8 feet actual distance between HD-1 cabinet and a single boundary surface.

2. One-third octave resolution.

Unless otherwise specified, all acoustical measurements are performed at 1/2 meter from front baffle on tweeter axis. Acoustical decibels are specified re 20 uPa.

No problem
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/Lspeaker.jpg
Pic taken with 32" tv for reference dimensions

Frequency Response (1) ...22 Hz - 18 kHz Free Field
... -3 dB at 19 Hz & 21 kHz
... ±1 dB 22 Hz - 16 kHz (within best microphone accuracy)

Sensitivity 110db 1 watt 1 meter

Maximum SPL ... 145 dB @ 1 meter

Signal to Noise Ratio ... >100 dB (noise floor 20 dBA @ 1 meter)

Coverage ... about 140° Horizontal x 90° vertical

Acive Crossover ... 3 way active with 320 Parametric Bands Eq. 1/60 - 10 octave bandwidth each

Low Frequency ... 15" Cone approx 1200Hz xvr
http://www.pulseonline.com/eminence32.htm

Mid Frequency ... 2" JBL 2482 phenolic Approx 350 and 4500 xvr
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/2482.pdf

Tweet 1" Phenolic xvr 4500

All Audio Input/output Type ... 3 pin balanced XLR

Impoedance - Dont care

Nominal Input Level ... dont care

Amplifiers
Type ... Complementary MOSFET output stages
Bass about 900watts into 3.5 Ohms, 3000 damping at .1 dist
Mid about 200 watts into 16oms 500 damping .05 dist
Tweet about 100 watts into 8 ohms 200 damping .05 dist

Burst capability ... rated output

Physical Dimensions ... dont care

Weight ... dont care

Notes

1. Measurements at installation listener position dual mixed mic, ear level.

2. One-60th octave resolution.

Unless otherwise specified, all acoustical measurements are performed at 13 feet from front baffle on tweeter axis. Acoustical decibels are specified re 20 uPa.

Best of all worlds for live sound at any volume. (rough on wives and gf's tho)

Oh yeh and measured distortion at the listerner position at 72 - 82 db from 22 - 16khz .8 at the frequency extremes and lowest distortion in the midrange at .04.

Here is the freq power map at 90 db before adding an addition 160 bands of eq
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/HornResponseSweepTones90db.jpg

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 1:35:49 PM

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selecti

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So, which is the best method of selecting gear? The printed specs or actual real life listening sessions? Ultimately, a person will be listening to the equipment when they get it home, so what's the point if the specs look pristine but the device itself actually sounds bad in their environment? Not every one is gifted to the point where they can look at specs and immediately know, in their mind, precisely how it'll sound in their space.

That's why I've always advised people to go out and listen to gear before buying. The human ears and brain are absolutely the best quality control tools and measuring devices each of us have when selecting audio gear.

definitely by spec if: A) they provide everything you need, and b) you understand the differences in sound for any given spec, which ones count and which ones do not. If you have 2 perfectly identical speaker systems and associated equipment to match the sound your ears can be fooled into most anything. Of course ears are more sensitive tham most electronics and can discern some diffrences better than electronics can but specs will tell your ears what to expect to hear, or not. So in the real world you need both.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 2:05:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Stereo? I have a kickass pc, and a fairly badass 7.1 speaker system instead.

Audio-wise, this is very decent stuff:

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite 7.1 Channels
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102191

Creative GigaWorks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speaker
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836116142

What I want next is wireless speakers. Running cables blows.

Churro, I forgot about that, you can have a stereo through the computer too these days!
I guess like that link it would depend on amp and speakers for the computer as to quality of sound.

i use the computer for everything.
music and tv surround etc

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 2:21:12 PM

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No Highs?

No Lows?

Must Be BOSE!

( them little speakers just CANNOT move enough air to get the lowest octaves. )

It appears from your comment that you have neither heard the Bose product mentioned by the OP (which, based upon his description would be a Bose Wave Radio/CD) in person nor are understanding of acoustic coupling principles and formulae that are used when matching electromechanical driver elements and enclosing them in properly tuned and built acoustic chambers.

The Bose web site and printed materials explain how the acoustic chambers are designed within each of their products to create their overall sonic qualities. Please remember, I'm discussing their Wave Radio/CD and Acoustic Wave all-in-one products. I'm not discussing their satellite/subwoofer systems.

Bose anything is great if you like small sound and i have to agree with FB as you can see from what i run.

i built that sytem for 2 reasons. first when i come home from a concert i want to be able to tweek to hear "virtually" the same thing at virtually the same levels. It does that.

Second when i am falling asleep i want to drop the levels to 55 - 60 db, (40-45 is the lower limit for most peeps hearing) and still be able to have a very crispy live sound with very littl bass and treble sag. On this system when i go from 90 db to 60 db i wind up turning up the 2000-4000 area a couple db and do not touch the bass and treble. the opposite of most systems.

Properly designed horns are an optimum "tune" chamber if you will and provide optimum coupling hence the high sensitivity.

So the reason i have it is for both oud and queit from one system. (few systrems will do "both" well), that is without total realignment.

i think i built that i dunno 7 - 8 years ago. That is the initial design, bought and sold a few pieces in that time too)

cost me maybe 3000ish

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 2:42:27 PM

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finally an exact answer for the OP:

when i was a kid my dad went out and bought his first new "stereo". it was a tube transistor hybrid. in fact i have it in my collection.

He invited my grandfather over, (hid dad), to listen to it. Gpa sat down and hmm nice ok nice and later went back home.

Then later that evening i meandered over to Gpa's house and he had his old mono monkey wards maybe 1930 something table top radio on.

Taps me on the shoulder and points to it saying......."now thats sound".

The moral of the story is get what sounds good to you and fullfills your specific needs.

and always remember the best deal is a 5 dollar walkman because you go from no sound to sound. after that you pay dearly to split those hairs.

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RE: Your choice of stereos. - 7/17/2007 4:55:04 PM

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Yamaha reciever and CD player, McIntosh cassette deck (rarely used), and cheap-ass Pioneer speakers, hopefully replaced by some nice Klipsch bookshelf models one day soon.

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