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query? - 7/18/2007 7:35:37 PM

OrionCalvert

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when is it ok to use physical force and when is it not?

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RE: query? - 7/18/2007 7:45:50 PM

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There's no clear-cut universally agreed upon answer to this question. Though most answers will generally reference that it be consensual, and when the results are within predetermined proscriptions (if they exist) and/or not beyond the boundaries of reason (ie: sanity, reasonable risk, etc). Or something reasonably similar.

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RE: query? - 7/18/2007 8:02:52 PM

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In my opinion, when your partner has agreed, even if they agree to consensual non-consent ('cause sometimes saying, "no no no," is fun). Otherwise, it's rape or attempted rape or assault.

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RE: query? - 7/18/2007 8:07:51 PM

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I am wondering in what context the OP is referring to?

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RE: query? - 7/18/2007 8:10:59 PM

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There are too many conditions and circumstances and 'what if's' to honestly answer the question.
Basically it all depends on what you and your partner have agreed upon and what path your relationship takes/is taking.

Without a doubt physical force is NEVER ok without your partners foreknowledge and ok. And not just implied, but a sit down conversation discuessing it and things that might come from it and happen.

People have been raped because a simple smile implied to the other person that they wanted sex.
The same is for this situation.

Also physical force should never be used in a public or vanilla setting. The wrong people observing can misunderstand things and get you into a heap of trouble.

Just my thoughts

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RE: query? - 7/18/2007 9:53:20 PM

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In what manner?? In what situation??

To the OP, thats a loaded question, you need to be a bit more specific. We aren't mind readers.

Do you mean when a bottom-type doesn't want to do something that you do?? [went out on a limb.. if I'm right, do I get a cookie??]

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RE: query? - 7/18/2007 10:20:52 PM

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when is it ok to use physical force and when is it not?

Generally? When you have consent to that force. Remember: "But I'm a master" is not a valid rape defense and nor should it be.

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RE: query? - 7/19/2007 7:36:48 AM

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When there is consent.

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RE: query? - 7/19/2007 7:46:31 AM

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How high is "up"?

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RE: query? - 7/19/2007 8:28:14 AM

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Chances are if you have to ask us that question, it's not okay.

Think about it.

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RE: query? - 7/20/2007 7:11:18 PM

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Hello OrionCalvert. Usually when and if you are "attacked". To defend yourself or someone that needs defending. (I had to defend myself a couple of times in a D/s relationship blowout ...)

In play? When it is consensual and "limited" by the players level of verified competence. RL.

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RE: query? - 7/20/2007 7:50:33 PM

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If you do not have someone's consent to touch them, then touching them physically is assault. That's the way the law views it.
If you believe that you are defending yourself, then that will be taken into consideration, but it's still assault if you strike the first blow, it's just that there are mitigating circumstances.

Taken in a BDSM context, if something is a limit, then you don't have their consent to do it. If you do it anyway, that's assault. And if they withdraw their consent by use of a safeword - that's assault as well.

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